Topher
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Third party timed exclusivity has been a strategy for Sony and Microsoft for quite some time.
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Report: Sony overhauling PlayStation Plus with new tiers and streaming
Third party timed exclusivity has been a strategy for Sony and Microsoft for quite some time.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I guess so but shouldn't matter its the exact title of the original article that it is designed to take on Game Pass.
Oddvintagechap
Member
This is just a rebranding of PSNOW into PS+ with a huge influx of PS2+PS1 games. They still arent releasing AAA games day one.
Basically
PS+ (Currently PS+)
PS++ (PSNow+PS+)
PS+++ (PSNow with PS1&PS2 Classics+PS+)
They realize PS+ branding is stronger than PSNow. This is basically Nintendo Online Max.
kyliethicc
Member
Yeah I agree in the future Sony will just do monthly fees.
And yes GP is monthly only, I think.
But I was just saying technically right now people can get both services for effectively $10/month.
THE DUCK
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No, it's not the same, it would only be the same if you had to go to a movie theater to play forza 5 for the first 3 months of its release.
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onesvenus
Member
It's not really difficult. With Gamepass you don't need to buy Microsoft games.
With this service you'll need to buy Sony's games in addition to paying for the subscription
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Listen to me carefully here folks you sons of bitches, think about it if we have already years and years of PlayStation Plus in the year of our Lord already banked think if they actually convert those into this new gangster daddy PlayStation Plus let us pray
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Right, but this isn't factoring in discounted prices you'd get from 3 month, 6 month or yearly subs (assuming they actually do a yearly sub for it)
The misconception here is people think tier 2 is PS Now. Tier 2 is PS+ and a catalogue of games that'll come and go.
Tier 3 is PS Now. This would be a price jump for cloud streaming, but remember the original price for PS Now was $20 a month. The only reason they cut it is because people weren't biting at that price.
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Little Chicken
Member
Yes but Sony's are clearly have a much higher profile
Deathloop
Ghostwire
Forsaken
FFVIIR
FFXVI
Kena: Bridge of Spirits
Knights of the Old Republic remake
Disco Elysium
Sony Spent $329 Million On Exclusive Third-Party PS5 Games For 2021
All I proposed is that Sony could continue this strategy and release third party titles Day One on a higher-tiered PSN+ by passing costs on to the consumer.
Topher
Gold Member
Same. I'm curious if this will be revealed along with more details on their plans on Azure.
In either case, the movie or video game (for many AAA games) is not obtainable with the subscription service.
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kyliethicc
Member
I could see Sony building streaming into their PlayStation app on iOS & Android.
Make it part of the highest tier. Letting people stream to phones seems inevitable.
Make it part of the highest tier. Letting people stream to phones seems inevitable.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
That $329 million has nothing to do with third party games FYI
Hezekiah
Banned
Sony aren't going to be putting their new games on a sub service day one, and throwing around loads of cheap deals for it.
I think anybody expecting that will be in for a shock.
Topher
Gold Member
Not going to engage in a list war. All costs are eventually passed on to the customer. That is how companies make profits.
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ultrazilla
Gold Member
While the "no 1st party games on the service" is a bit of a bummer, it doesn't technically stop big third party studios/publishers from possibly dropping their game on the service I presume?
Guess we would need to see the fine print/contract for that.
Still, a very welcome and over due move by Sony. I'm still rocking my Xbox One X(cause I can't find a Series X) and have the Ultimate Service as I mainly use it for PC. It's a great service and I'm
a bit surprised it took Sony this long to finally realize they'd better offer something similar to their fans. I do have a PS5 and will likely get the new service as long as prices are kept in the same
ballpark MS has "Ultimate".
Finally, one big "wild card" will be the Sony PC game releases. Will their service entitle you to those PC releases for free as part of the service? I almost feel they do in order to compete with MS.
Guess we would need to see the fine print/contract for that.
Still, a very welcome and over due move by Sony. I'm still rocking my Xbox One X(cause I can't find a Series X) and have the Ultimate Service as I mainly use it for PC. It's a great service and I'm
a bit surprised it took Sony this long to finally realize they'd better offer something similar to their fans. I do have a PS5 and will likely get the new service as long as prices are kept in the same
ballpark MS has "Ultimate".
Finally, one big "wild card" will be the Sony PC game releases. Will their service entitle you to those PC releases for free as part of the service? I almost feel they do in order to compete with MS.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
I thought we'd already have one tbh after they added the app to TVs. Guess Shawn and Co just didn't want to invest much into it while Jim is the opposite
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Agent X
Member
I know it was $20/month at one time, but I don't know anyone personally who ever paid that. I've only paid by the year, and the most I've ever paid was $100/year.
So, Sony believes that increasing the price and adding PS1/PSP games would convince millions upon millions of people to hop on board? I can't say that I agree with this.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Give Sony time. You have to start somewhere. They aren't going to magically raise the price on older games.
bitbydeath
Member
The three Square games are PS console exclusive FYI. Unless you’re talking timed with PC?
Kena might also be PS console exclusive.
kyliethicc
Member
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
No, they believe that getting rid of the PS Now baggage and attaching it to PS+ instead would make more people hop on board.
Banjo64
cumsessed
No, they just won’t be able to charge £40 for Returnal in a sale in 2 years time because games like GTA 6 will be out and no one will give it a second glance at that price. People buy a Nintendo system to play Nintendo’s games. Sony are competing against Rockstar, EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, SEGA etc.
Dream-Knife
Banned
I agree, but didn't Jim Ryan say something recently about envying Nintendo's model or something to that effect?
Topher
Gold Member
Hezekiah
Banned
Agreed. Sony as a whole have set aside billions for acquisitions.
I really don't think they also plan to set up what would be a significant money sink over the next few years for a service like GamePass.
kyliethicc
Member
Just an fyi, this was a comparison of PS Now and Game Pass libraries from earlier this year.
Obviously the exact number of games changes over time.
But the point is Sony has room to add hundreds of PS1, PS2, and PSP games to the service. With 400+ PS3 games already. That's enough for its own separate tier.
And with 400+ PS4 games already there, they can soon get to a point where they would have a library of over 500 PS4 & PS5 games.
Obviously the exact number of games changes over time.
But the point is Sony has room to add hundreds of PS1, PS2, and PSP games to the service. With 400+ PS3 games already. That's enough for its own separate tier.
And with 400+ PS4 games already there, they can soon get to a point where they would have a library of over 500 PS4 & PS5 games.
DJTaurus
Member
Personally i truly support what Jim is trying to do with his more open approach to PlayStation brand. Gamepass is sustainable so he just follows the flow…. he believes in cross gen games. He will continue giving his top tier triple games to PC gamers and embrace subscription services even more. He is not a dinosaur living and stuck in the past…. he is moving the brand forward like no other. 
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Banjo64
cumsessed
For once it’s quality over quantity in Xbox’s favour.Just an fyi, this was a comparison of PS Now and Game Pass libraries from earlier this year.
Obviously the exact number of games changes over time.
But the point is Sony has room to add hundreds of PS1, PS2, and PSP games to the service. With 400+ PS3 games already. That's enough for its own separate tier.
And with 400+ PS4 games already there, they can soon get to a point where they would have a library of over 500 PS4 & PS5 games.
T-Cake
Member
Just an fyi, this was a comparison of PS Now and Game Pass libraries from earlier this year.
Obviously the exact number of games changes over time.
But the point is Sony has room to add hundreds of PS1, PS2, and PSP games to the service. With 400+ PS3 games already. That's enough for its own separate tier.
And with 400+ PS4 games already there, they can soon get to a point where they would have a library of over 500 PS4 & PS5 games.
Well I'm going to spend the rest of my evening doing some calculations because I honestly don't think there's anyway near 860 games on PlayStation Now. My guess is max 200 for PS3/4 each.
TheShocker
Member
If it can match the value of game pass, I’m in.
kyliethicc
Member
With retro games perhaps. Given Xbox's boosting of 360 games.
But everyone knows the PS4 has a higher quality library than the Xbox One.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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IT'S HAPPENING!!!
Gonna be really interesting to see their take on the streaming model. Going by the info rumored, sounds like they're doing what they should've done i.e merging some of their other things like PS Now and PS+. I imagine at least one of the tiers will include Crunchyroll/Funimation content and Sony Pictures legacy film/tv shows too (I mean they do have a channel for that on TV, technically speaking).
But I'm most interested in, is it going to include new 1P releases Day 1? I put a thought out a while back that it could theoretically, while still working with their business model, if they offered subscriptions to specific releases on a contract-like monthly plan. So you get Game A for example as a Day 1 release into the service but instead of paying $70 outright you pay $5/mo. Since its contractual you're still bound to pay off the contract so essentially it can count as a sale, at least with my limited knowledge on the business side of these things.
It'd be easy enough to throw that in as part of the tiers;
davidjaffe
I know has also said for a while that Sony could use the service as a way of providing new releases of smaller games maybe not fit for retail but add value to the platform. Like a new Parappa, for example. They could scale that among the different tiers.
Honestly I thought this big renovation of theirs would be a few years later but I guess plans are accelerating. Also has me curious how Microsoft competes with them in terms of inevitable film/television/music etc. media content as value-adds because they don't produce any of their own stuff in those media like Sony does (who apparently also has the Netflix deal they can leverage, too).
Gonna be really interesting to see their take on the streaming model. Going by the info rumored, sounds like they're doing what they should've done i.e merging some of their other things like PS Now and PS+. I imagine at least one of the tiers will include Crunchyroll/Funimation content and Sony Pictures legacy film/tv shows too (I mean they do have a channel for that on TV, technically speaking).
But I'm most interested in, is it going to include new 1P releases Day 1? I put a thought out a while back that it could theoretically, while still working with their business model, if they offered subscriptions to specific releases on a contract-like monthly plan. So you get Game A for example as a Day 1 release into the service but instead of paying $70 outright you pay $5/mo. Since its contractual you're still bound to pay off the contract so essentially it can count as a sale, at least with my limited knowledge on the business side of these things.
It'd be easy enough to throw that in as part of the tiers;
davidjaffe
I know has also said for a while that Sony could use the service as a way of providing new releases of smaller games maybe not fit for retail but add value to the platform. Like a new Parappa, for example. They could scale that among the different tiers.Honestly I thought this big renovation of theirs would be a few years later but I guess plans are accelerating. Also has me curious how Microsoft competes with them in terms of inevitable film/television/music etc. media content as value-adds because they don't produce any of their own stuff in those media like Sony does (who apparently also has the Netflix deal they can leverage, too).
Dr Bass
Member
In response to your bolded, and aside from the fact your avatar features my favorite tennis player of all time, ...Personally i truly support what Jim is trying to do with his more open approach to PlayStation brand. Gamepass is sustainable so he just follows the flow…. he believes in cross gen games. He will continue giving his top tier triple games to PC gamers and embrace subscription services even more. He is not a dinosaur living and stuck in the past…. he is moving the brand forward like no other.
Not all change is good. This idea that sub services are the "future" and "selling products" makes you a dinosaur is just false. Having high revenues that sustain expensive development efforts hardly makes you a "dinosaur." It means you have a good business.
Again, this goes to what I was saying at an earlier post. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that supports the idea that Game Pass is a good business move. Now I have changed my mind in some ways as I think MS is going to be fine with it, but it's because they are going to subsidize it with both 3rd party game sales fees and large F2P MTX efforts. And perhaps money from other sources in the company.
Again, so many people here talk about the "23 studios" MS has, but completely ignore the fact MS now has to pay salaries and studios costs to support all 23 while not really charging for their games. The hope is that a smallish sub service is going to fund this? Sony is NOT going to go in this direction when they are comfortably winning.
Sony and Nintendo are making record profits right now.
Microsoft won't even say what their broken down revenue is.
sainraja
Member
It was only a matter of time. They should have just re-launched PlayStation Now but since they are combining services I guess this makes some sense.
We'll need to learn more about Sony's plans on how games will rotate in/out. When GS launched, I thought it was 100 games in/100 games out but it wasn't set up like that. Games do come and go every month but there is no consistency as far as I can tell on how many come and go (I haven't really been tracking, since services like GS allow me to try games I otherwise wouldn't, the ones I want, I always purchase.)
It doesn't need to be a 1:1 service to be a competing service and Sony already had a competing service (people often forget) to Game Pass and PlayStation Now was it; they just weren't pushing it as heavily as MS was pushing Game Pass.
We'll need to learn more about Sony's plans on how games will rotate in/out. When GS launched, I thought it was 100 games in/100 games out but it wasn't set up like that. Games do come and go every month but there is no consistency as far as I can tell on how many come and go (I haven't really been tracking, since services like GS allow me to try games I otherwise wouldn't, the ones I want, I always purchase.)
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All PlayStation Plus Games - PS Plus Guide
Find the best games on Playstation Now to download and stream for PS4, PS3 and PS2.
psnowguide.com
Might be helpful for your calculations.
DaGwaphics
Member
Just an fyi, this was a comparison of PS Now and Game Pass libraries from earlier this year.
Obviously the exact number of games changes over time.
But the point is Sony has room to add hundreds of PS1, PS2, and PSP games to the service. With 400+ PS3 games already. That's enough for its own separate tier.
And with 400+ PS4 games already there, they can soon get to a point where they would have a library of over 500 PS4 & PS5 games.
The biggest issue for me with PS Now is that there isn't enough transition of titles, though they have been working on that over the last year or two. A stagnant library is less interesting regardless of how big it is. GP has good selection of titles with some that stick (the first party and EA) and plenty that come and go so that there is always something to look at.
Loxus
Member
PlayStation Now Wiki
As of 2020, there are over 800 games available, with over 300 of them available for download to PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5.
Brigandier
Member
The only people that criticise a platforms games being available on other platforms like PC are rabid fanboys.
The only people that don't want Sony to have a gamepass like service are fanboys who are incredibly worried about their beloved corporation losing money which I find hilarious I might add, They also don't like value for their money
Me personally I'm all for a monthly fee Sony service if it's good value.
Chickenwing10
Member
As an xbox owner, gamepass has been awesome. If Sony can put early access to titles AND get ps1,2,3 games, that is great! I'll have to pick up a ps5
yurinka
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DaGwaphics
Member
GP isn't free. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if GP already brings in enough revenue in base subscriptions alone to completely cover the costs of running all of the studios. Plus they are still selling a lot of software, MGS titles do quite well on Steam and there are still plenty of Xbox users without GP.
MaulerX
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