Goalus
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The MTX themselves are digital though.It is literally part of both models.
In-game purchases exists for physical too.
Physical MTX did exist in the nineties, but not anymore.
The MTX themselves are digital though.It is literally part of both models.
In-game purchases exists for physical too.
Was anyone expecting Gamepass to destroy a "traditional gaming" market of probably some 250-300 million people in a time when the service only has 20 million subscribers?
Same as in objects? That's not true cause of the logistics of physical retailers. Its why you might get ingame currency or big dlc like a campaign but you don't get all the skins/characters that you are able to get in digital storefronts.physical model has the same DLC/MTX than digital model.
I thinking you are mistaking the game sales model with digital services.No, it hasn't.
MTX are inherently digital.
Physical MTX like the Strike Commander Speech Pack on floppy disks died a long time ago.
Same as even buying a physical game you can buy MTX/DLC/ETC.Same as in objects? That's not true cause of the logistics of physical retailers. Its why you might get ingame currency or big dlc like a campaign but you don't get all the skins/characters that you are able to get in digital storefronts.
Same in terms of revenue? I would be interested to see if anyone has released numbers on dlc split via physical vs digital. Thinking about seeing if Cdpr released any numbers.
I don't believe dlc/mtx would have nearly grown as fast if it was limited to physical retailers.
From a physical retailer? And the same objects/items?you can buy MTX/DLC/ETC.
From in-gameFrom a physical retailer? And the same objects/items?
Amzing how digital has grown the market. Mindblowing.But digital absolutely grew the market. Here's the history of the market in Germany:
The dark colors that start in 2008 are all digital. Revenue tripled since then despite physical being stagnant. That's growth.
Looks like more personal opinion than a fact without data like always.
Okay, now I get your point. Our point about digital growing the market was not limited to the initial distribution channel. Although I still believe that digital has grown full game sales, this is probably within the numbers from Sony supplementary information. I do wonder how many years I would need to go back.From in-game
How you buy DLC, MTX, in-game purchases doesn't change whatever you buy your game via digital or physical.
Dont worry sweet summer child. Gamepass/digital games wont hurt you.Amzing how digital has grown the market. Mindblowing.
Microsoft store on PC must be printing money like crazy.
Exactly he feels that view of amplification is temporary and not a long-term deal.
What you have is a market shift/migration instead of market grow.
Yup...all the data so far regarding this gen shows how much they have to worry at Sony.
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It’s an amazing service. Glad to see it’s a net benefit for the industry.
??? I was saying this seriously. I was not joking. I love my gamepass.Dont worry sweet summer child. Gamepass/digital games wont hurt you.
Kratos is salty
Why would you pull numbers out of your ass? Bad style.20 million was the number of Xbox Live Gold.
Microsoft hasn't gloated about their Halo Infinite sales numbers, assuming they're non-existent due to GP. I think this strategy will work in-house where GP is directly tied to revenue, I'm not sure how it'll work for 3rd party.They said Gamepass would destroy traditional gaming. Instead it’s enhancing it and bringing more money across all platforms.
physical sales are declining in most countries. is a fact. period.It is literally part of both models.
In-game purchases exists for physical too.
It was about MS store.??? I was saying this seriously. I was not joking. I love my gamepass.
Yeah right. Console selling game is nonexistent due to 20m gamepass members.Microsoft hasn't gloated about their Halo Infinite sales numbers, assuming they're non-existent due to GP. I think this strategy will work in-house where GP is directly tied to revenue, I'm not sure how it'll work for 3rd party.
Agree with Chris.
Yes... that is the shift/migration that happened/is happening.physical sales are declining in most countries. is a fact. period.
100%To be fair though, I don't believe subscription services (Gamepass, also Spartacus) will saturate the gaming industry. They wouldn't be prominent as some other people think they would be. For most people, these services are not worth it, when all they want to play is a certain game for months and months, or doesn't have enough time to play many games to make the sub worth paying.
There is certainly a breadth of gaming habits among the gaming population. And only a subset of that gaming population will find these subscription services worth it.
Can you fucking read?Yeah right. Console selling game is nonexistent due to 20m gamepass members.
I wonder, what other stuff would you guys come up with.
I mentioned above that this image includes mobile. No need to be saltyFor any people who don't speak German and fall for Bernd Lauert 's bullshit image
The app store and android store launched and microtransactions went through the roof. Game purchases dropped.
Can you fucking read?
Microsoft hasn't gloated about their Halo Infinite sales numbers, assuming they're non-existent due to GP
Right, I'm saying for first party, because of GP, sales numbers are TIED to GP since most Xbox users will have it. Hence why this GP model MAY not WORK for 3rd PARTY.Unless I misunderstood your point here.
There is steam, and xbox non gamepass owners. These will bring sales for halo.
Halo is having controversy as of now. I doubt they will share it, until they fix that. MS has been careful about their PR after xbox live.
I mentioned above that this image includes mobile. No need to be salty
But digital absolutely grew the market. Here's the history of the market in Germany:
The dark colors that start in 2008 are all digital. Revenue tripled since then despite physical being stagnant. That's growth.
Everyone has phones. People massive amount of money for mobile games. Certain mobile games have pay to disable ads. So the phone market share will explode, especially when middle age women plays games like candy crash.For any people who don't speak German and fall for Bernd Lauert 's bullshit image
The app store and android store launched and microtransactions went through the roof. Game purchases dropped.
That is wrong. Most people pay it for 3rd party games (including myself).Right, I'm saying for first party, because of GP, sales numbers are TIED to GP since most Xbox users will have it. Hence why this GP model MAY not WORK for 3rd PARTY.
People almost sometimes forget that you don't own the games either. IDK. I have it for 2 more months, I like it for games I'm never going to buy. But maybe I'm not the main market share. I tend to only play games I know I'm going to buy.That is wrong. Most people pay it for 3rd party games (including myself).
You can buy Xbox games for cheap later on, instead of paying 180$ a year to play them.
Its all about those 3rd party games, which people want to play it 1st. Then day1 xbox games.
We saw this with outriders, ascent, mlb the show.
To be fair though, I don't believe subscription services (Gamepass, also Spartacus) will saturate the gaming industry. They wouldn't be prominent as some other people think they would be. For most people, these services are not worth it, when all they want to play is a certain game for months and months, or doesn't have enough time to play many games to make the sub worth paying.
There is certainly a breadth of gaming habits among the gaming population. And only a subset of that gaming population will find these subscription services worth it.
You are the market for gamepass. People who arent going to buy games that much.People almost sometimes forget that you don't own the games either. IDK. I have it for 2 more months, I like it for games I'm never going to buy. But maybe I'm not the main market share. I tend to only play games I know I'm going to buy.
Dude has data, and you dont.It is definitely a possible scenario. We could say even a positive view of the whole situation. Although, we perfectly know this isn't what MS only wants to achieve cause the service needs to grow and grow to sustain the business and to be profitable.
I think there is an impact on the consumer behaviour and like I said in a previous post: "I find it interesting that this analysis of Piscatella is always and totally limited to the universe of games that come out on GP and sell on other platforms".
I hope for the best, but Matt is talking to fairies here.
But that's what digital means. It includes all digital transactions. And why wouldn't network fees count? They're a substantial part of the console business.Would have been helpful to point out that the majority of that bars growth is microtransactions in f2p games like clash of clans and candy crush, no?
The dark colours aren't even all virtual goods and additional content. They include network fees as well .
Isn't NPD data sold?Yeh I see that, due to the increased exposure gamepass offers for the games on the service. However I'd expect someone in his position to still be able to provide people with at least a couple of more recent data points to back up his statements.
His first post literally starts with "Data suggests..." so no, not personal opinion. Sorry if this hurts you.Looks like more personal opinion than a fact without data like always.
Any thing that is mtx, dlc, charecters sales are all digital sales.Would have been helpful to point out that the majority of that bars growth is microtransactions in f2p games like clash of clans and candy crush, no?
The dark colours aren't even all virtual goods and additional content. They include network fees as well .
Will turn this into a graph but seems to be the limit of the sony reports
Because they also apply to physical purchases and have nothing to do with growing the market through digital sales.But that's what digital means. It includes all digital transactions. And why wouldn't network fees count? They're a substantial part of the console business.
Only if you fail to follow the context of the discussion. Somebody saidAny thing that is mtx, dlc, charecters sales are all digital sales.
Digital did not grew the market... it just migrated it.... games brought in Physical form started to be brought in Digital form.
That is what Chris is saying.