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[DF] Cross-Gen Face-Off: Xbox Series S vs SSD-Enhanced Xbox One X

ShirAhava

Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
Interesting comparison crazy the difference an external SSD makes to Xbox One X performance that 5400rpm drive is dogshit slow
One X hooked up to my 4k Monitor, Series S (mainly as a retroarch box) hooked up to my CRT monitor life is good!
 
With a Zen 2 the Xbox one X would crush the XSS
Not when it's lacking the suite of RDNA 2 features the S has. There are some things the One X could theoretically brute force through, but for a lot of other things it lacks the raw power headroom to brute force them effectively.

The only reason One X can deliver more 4K titles than Series S is because of lower native textures, and having extra ROPs (32 vs 24) & TMUs (160 vs 80) to the point the Series S's GPU clock doesn't overcome that on the texture fillrate side (187.5 Gtexels/S vs. 125.2 Gtexels/S).

If Microsoft afforded the Series S even half of Series X's TMUs, it'd have 104 TMUs and it'd of came closer to One X's texture fillrate (162.76 Gtexels/S vs 187.5 Gtexels/S), which when combined with dynamic resolution scaling and maybe slightly lower texture asset quality levels (but still around or very slightly higher than One X's), would easily get Series S @ 4K for 30 FPS games with more stable frame pacing and effects like limited RT which the One X would not be able to provide.
 
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DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
Series S is a bad ass 1080p box. What is the wattage drawn on a one x? Would be interesting to see what it’s drawing in power. Couldnt believe the series s pulling those 80 watts in the matrix demo.
 

Stuart360

Member
First video i have seen from the new guy and it was a pretty fantastic video, well done new guy.

I dont agree with every outcome he says though. We are all different obviously but for me its 60fps over 30fps everytime, even if XSS has to drop to 1080p and below in some games.

Also man Red Dead 2 on the OneX is one stunning game lol.
 
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Riky

$MSFT
They clearly(AGAIN) say Halo Infinite is better on the One X.

Two guys one that something to do with a mage and one had a form of the name rick tried arguing otherwise.
This should finally shut those two up.

No they didn't, they said it clearly performs better on Series S, I can confirm that since I've played both versions. Stop baiting.
 

MarkMe2525

Member
They clearly(AGAIN) say Halo Infinite is better on the One X.

Two guys one that something to do with a mage and one had a form of the name rick tried arguing otherwise.
This should finally shut those two up.
The quote is "there is definitely a sense that it (performance) is not stable enough on the One X..... Still, IF performance could be made a bit smoother with more aggressive dynamic resolution, One X WOULD be a clear winner over Series S."

You are plainly being disingenuous with your statement that DF said infinite is better on the One X.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE

Member
No they didn't, they said it clearly performs better on Series S, I can confirm that since I've played both versions. Stop baiting.
Baiting?
Lying is trolling.

We know what the last comparison said(they chose X)
I will now shut you up with quotes from the new video.

"In term of details... One X is a MASSIVE winner"

"The increase in clarity is MASSIVE"

"The series s continues to have a noisy rough look, wherein the One X looks smooth and resolves far finer detail, the difference here is almost generational at times"
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
The Ascent: Sub Sector 41A 128.89 30.77 30.26
What's up with this game? Is it BC?
It has been done with relatively few people with the scope of it, I think it's more like lack of resources. It has X|S badge and it looks awesome, I think you can let go few things here and there.

Because authoring assets, fucking sucks (this is what ensures good loadings, small size, etc. Back in Warhorse, pretty much no matter what you were (janitor to Vávra), you were helping with this
 
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Riky

$MSFT
Baiting?
Lying is trolling.

We know what the last comparison said(they chose X)
I will now shut you up with quotes from the new video.

"In term of details... One X is a MASSIVE winner"

"The increase in clarity is MASSIVE"

"The series s continues to have a noisy rough look, wherein the One X looks smooth and resolves far finer detail, the difference here is almost generational at times"

That isn't outperforming Series S as that console was not designed to push 4k. The framerate is far far better on Series S, almost locked in fact, it also runs at higher settings with far better loading times and without the framepacing problems that One X has in the 30fps mode.

So like I said in my first post in the thread One X wins in resolution bit in every other way it gets smoked as it's a last gen console.

So no you haven't "shut up" anybody.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
That isn't outperforming Series S as that console was not designed to push 4k. The framerate is far far better on Series S, almost locked in fact, it also runs at higher settings with far better loading times and without the framepacing problems that One X has in the 30fps mode.

So like I said in my first post in the thread One X wins in resolution bit in every other way it gets smoked as it's a last gen console.

So no you haven't "shut up" anybody.
One X looks almost generational better,runs better at 30fps and both drop below 60fps with One X dropping a few fps more.
 

Riky

$MSFT
One X looks almost generational better,runs better at 30fps and both drop below 60fps with One X dropping a few fps more.

It's not "a few fps" it goes into the forties, I know I've played both and the framepacing on One X in the quality mode is very off-putting.
The Series S version is almost a locked 60fps, it's far smoother and more playable as a result.
 

MarkMe2525

Member
It's not "a few fps" it goes into the forties, I know I've played both and the framepacing on One X in the quality mode is very off-putting.
The Series S version is almost a locked 60fps, it's far smoother and more playable as a result.
To be honest, I wouldn't interact with this guy anymore. He obviously has an agenda and is very susceptible to confirmation bias as evident from his takeaways from the video.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
It's not "a few fps" it goes into the forties, I know I've played both and the framepacing on One X in the quality mode is very off-putting.
The Series S version is almost a locked 60fps, it's far smoother and more playable as a result.
I heard him say the low 50's.
I could be mistaken.
Care to show me?

You claim to play both but two times(3 if we count the other DF employee tweet) DF has chosen the One X version.
 

Riky

$MSFT
I heard him say the low 50's.
I could be mistaken.
Care to show me?

You claim to play both but two times(3 if we count the other DF employee tweet) DF has chosen the One X version.
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46fps, pretty sure that's in the forties.

Also I don't "claim" to have played both, I have, in fact I've played all five versions.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE

Member
From 8:29 on in the video.
"Performance mode however do tend to drop frame rates into the 50's at points"

For the 2nd time I'll ask you riky to show me where he says it drops to the 40's.
If not you are lying/trolling.
 

Mr Moose

Member
fqfiAaz.jpg

46fps, pretty sure that's in the forties.

Also I don't "claim" to have played both, I have, in fact I've played all five versions.
For that dog shit CPU and with a higher res, One X is doing quite well with Halo.
Personally I'd play at the higher res/lower fps mode because I am not against any actual players in the campaign.
I do that with Valhalla lol.
 

Riky

$MSFT
So you are getting other sources to make a point about DF's findings?

So DF is lying in two different videos?

Maybe look at what DF states in their comparison article...

"intense battles in the open world seeing Xbox One X fail to hit the target. Expect a 45fps-60fps range, depending on just how taxing the battle scenes are."

Yes 45fps low, in the forties......that ends this little discussion I think.
 

Riky

$MSFT
For that dog shit CPU and with a higher res, One X is doing quite well with Halo.
Personally I'd play at the higher res/lower fps mode because I am not against any actual players in the campaign.
I do that with Valhalla lol.

Probably depends what screen your playing on, personally my One X and Series S are on the same 1080p TV, so the framerate drops are the most noticeable difference. If you we're on a 4k screen and you can deal with the framerate then you could well think differently.
 

Mr Moose

Member
Probably depends what screen your playing on, personally my One X and Series S are on the same 1080p TV, so the framerate drops are the most noticeable difference. If you we're on a 4k screen and you can deal with the framerate then you could well think differently.
I am on a 1080p 27" monitor at the moment :messenger_crying: my 4K TV is fucking up, horizontal lines going across it and I can't be arsed opening it and putting tape across some of the things.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Maybe look at what DF states in their comparison article...

"intense battles in the open world seeing Xbox One X fail to hit the target. Expect a 45fps-60fps range, depending on just how taxing the battle scenes are."

Yes 45fps low, in the forties......that ends this little discussion I think.
So this was said by them in the first comparison?
Link?
If so 👏 Regardless

But they aren't saying this in todays/current comparison as I posted above.

Maybe it got tightened up in one of these updates? It's been a few months.

Both times they still chose the One X though right?
 

tsumake

Member
Question: if/when MS does a mid-gen console refresh, would they put the Series S on the short bus like the original Xbox One?
 

Riky

$MSFT
So this was said by them in the first comparison?
Link?
If so 👏 Regardless

But they aren't saying this in todays/current comparison as I posted above.

Maybe it got tightened up in one of these updates? It's been a few months.

Both times they still chose the One X though right?

No the article says it "trades blows" with the Series S, I wouldn't say that's definitively better.
Going back to the start it's resolution v Framerate, Loading and some higher settings on Series S.

Personally having played both the framerate is more important in a shooter especially online, that's just my opinion though.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Question: if/when MS does a mid-gen console refresh, would they put the Series S on the short bus like the original Xbox One?
Not if it continues to sell well they won't.

Only negative that "might" creep in is game development for XSXX,XSX,PC and xss.
 
They clearly(AGAIN) say Halo Infinite is better on the One X.

Two guys one that something to do with a mage and one had a form of the name rick tried arguing otherwise.
This should finally shut those two up.
And Metro Exodus and Forza Horizon 5 are considerably better on the XSS than the X1X and the XSS version of Halo has a more stable framerate at 60. What is your point? Developers choose how to use the hardware they are provided and it's clear the XSS runs games at higher frames and lower resolutions. Perhaps you should take your own advice.
 

Stuart360

Member
Baiting?
Lying is trolling.

We know what the last comparison said(they chose X)
I will now shut you up with quotes from the new video.

"In term of details... One X is a MASSIVE winner"

"The increase in clarity is MASSIVE"

"The series s continues to have a noisy rough look, wherein the One X looks smooth and resolves far finer detail, the difference here is almost generational at times"
So you're chosing resolution over framerate now?. Remember that with the next XSX vs PS5 comparison.

DF also clearly say the XSS version is way smoother and more consistent, and for that reason it wins by default.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE

Member
So you're chosing resolution over framerate now?. Remember than with the next XSX vs PS5 comparison.

DF also clearly say the XSS version is way smoother and more consistent, and for that reason it wins by default.
I stated what they said in two videos and on twitter.

Overall id choose the One X version for (as DF stated) almost generational better visuals with a performance mode that drops to the 50's(per what the latest video says)
 

dcmk7

Banned
They clearly(AGAIN) say Halo Infinite is better on the One X.

Two guys one that something to do with a mage and one had a form of the name rick tried arguing otherwise.
This should finally shut those two up.
They clearly say it's better on Xbox One X

It's the second best version according to them.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
And Metro Exodus and Forza Horizon 5 are considerably better on the XSS than the X1X and the XSS version of Halo has a more stable framerate at 60. What is your point? Developers choose how to use the hardware they are provided and it's clear the XSS runs games at higher frames and lower resolutions. Perhaps you should take your own advice.
Nobody mentioned them but... from DF's comparison a argument could be made that Forza Horizon 5 is better on One X as well.
 

Stuart360

Member
I stated what they said in two videos and on twitter.

Overall id choose the One X version for (as DF stated) almost generational better visuals with a performance mode that drops to the 50's(per what the latest video says)
Unless i watched a different video, the XSS version is near flawless 60fps, with a few dops into the high 50's, while the OneX version is almost constantly in the 50's, and drops way lower in fights.

Look its simple with OneX vs XSS. If you are happy with 30fps, go with OneX. If framerate is king and you want 60fps in most games, go with XSS.

It really is that simple.
OneX was designed to run XB1 games at a higher resolution, and the XSS was designed to run XSX games at a lower resolution.
Both machines pretty much do exactly what they were designed to do.

EDIT. Yeah just checked, its around the 8min mark. XSS basically sticks to 60fps, with the odd drop to 59fps, while the OneX is almost constantly in the 50's. Plus the OneX has texture loading problems, and although it doesnt show it here, i have seen other vids that show extra fine detail on XSS (extra rocks and rubble, bits of extra grass, etc).
 
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Rawker

Member
Didn't watch the video. I have a one x/ssd and considered getting a series s for the kids but the lack of disc drive, tiny internal drive, and low resolution makes it not worth it. I'll wait until I can walk in and get a series x and then the kids can have the one x .
 

elliot5

Member
Didn't watch the video. I have a one x/ssd and considered getting a series s for the kids but the lack of disc drive, tiny internal drive, and low resolution makes it not worth it. I'll wait until I can walk in and get a series x and then the kids can have the one x .
None of those things your kids would prob care about but it’s your choice
 

Hoddi

Member
I have been doing something similar. My one x is connected to my 4k tv, and my series s is connected to my 1080p tv.
I'd really like to get the series x, though. Maybe one day I will be able to snag one.
Ya, I don't see what the contention is. The S can look pretty rough on 4k TVs but it's a great system for 1080p TVs.

That's all there is to it. We don't the same nerds always pointing out the obvious in every thread.
 

Rawker

Member
None of those things your kids would prob care about but it’s your choice
Exactly and I'd have to rebuy 3-6 disc titles so I'm spending $400 to have the same experience. Then I sell my oneX for $200 and I'm in the same position just waiting for a series x for a new experience. Frame rates are not an issue for the games the oneX is used for, 60fps for the few titles that it matters and I'm good. When there is a definitive online shooter that can keep my attention then I'll get a seriesX. Playing through Sekiro now and it runs great, loads great with an SSD, and the graphics are mint. VRR might help too. I really would like a seriesX for Elden ring but I play games for the gameplay first and it looks like I'll get the full experience with a oneX and ssd. So I'll wait until I can walk into a store and get one when they are easily available. The seriesS is not a smart upgrade for anyone with a oneX and can't get a seriesX.
 
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Nobody mentioned them but... from DF's comparison a argument could be made that Forza Horizon 5 is better on One X as well.
You called out Halo like it was typical of XSS and X1X comparisons. I simply provided much needed context you apparently were unaware of. No one would say Forza Horizon 5 is better on X1X when it completely lacks a 60 fps mode.
 
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