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[OmegaSupreme]

Hmm, I don't agree and I think time will prove I'm right.

We have numbers to prove my point. How many million units did the latest call of duty sell on playstation? 5 or 6 million? How millions of gamers do you think are streaming call of duty like games on xcloud right now?

 

[MScarpa]

If you don’t see any issue on corporations buying big 3rd party publishers to devalue the competition and limit the options you - the gamer, have to play those games on, then I have no idea how to explain it to you!

Why would I have an issue? My options aren't limited. If i want to play ratchet, i had to buy a ps5. If i want to play starfield, i have to get into MS ecosystem. In fact, it's easier for people to play games with MS. You can with a PC, an xbox or your tablet or phone. Not the same with Sony. I have zero issues with this. Screw 70$ a game

 

[StreetsofBeige]

We have numbers to prove my point. How many million units did the latest call of duty sell on playstation? 5 or 6 million? How millions of gamers do you think are streaming call of duty like games on xcloud right now?

Why do you care so much about analyzing sales and profits of a video game deal?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Why would I have an issue? My options aren't limited. If i want to play ratchet, i had to buy a ps5. If i want to play starfield, i have to get into MS ecosystem. In fact, it's easier for people to play games with MS. You can with a PC, an xbox or your tablet or phone. Not the same with Sony. I have zero issues with this. Screw 70$ a game

Enjoy shit quality from streaming and horrible latency from that phone or tablet lol

 

[lastmessiah]

We have numbers to prove my point. How many million units did the latest call of duty sell on playstation? 5 or 6 million? How millions of gamers do you think are streaming call of duty like games on xcloud right now?

Ok man, you have your numbers so I guess you're right. Those numbers are from before the acquisition that just happened, so I don't see how they are relevant. Millions of units sold on Playstation just means that millions leave Playstation for something else when it isn't on that platform anymore. Playstation is merely one platform.

 

[MScarpa]

Is it? It's not the same as streaming movies. Latency is a constant problem. Downloads are the current and future. You need hardware for that.

5G is being put up throughout the U.S. Fiber is everywhere. I can sit on my phone with my kishi and play battlefield 4, which i am right this very moment.

So yes streaming is the future. You don't have to like it, and I'm sure you'll still be able to buy your games the old fashioned way but this is the future my man. Like it or not.

 

[MScarpa]

Enjoy shit quality from streaming and horrible latency from that phone or tablet lol

Quality is good for me and so is the latency, to each their own. It's funny that you chose to reply with that though. Says a lot. Good luck my man. Expand your horizons. Enjoy the games for the games.l themselves, not the corporation you so blindly follow

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Ok man, you have your numbers so I guess you're right. Those numbers are from before the acquisition that just happened, so I don't see how they are relevant. Millions of units sold on Playstation just means that millions leave Playstation for something else when it isn't on that platform anymore. Playstation is merely one platform.

It's the platform for call of duty
That's my point. Ms has taken that away from more gamers than its putting in. That's my other point. Do you have any relevant numbers to share on the success of xcloud? I'm sorry my numbers are inconvenient for your narrative.

 

[MScarpa]

It's the platform for call of duty
That's my point. Ms has taken that away from more gamers than its putting in. That's my other point. Do you have any relevant numbers to share on the success of xcloud? I'm sorry my numbers are inconvenient for your narrative.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you don't own an xbox. Looks like the platform is now MS so adapt or die my friend.

 

[lastmessiah]

It's the platform for call of duty
That's my point. Ms has taken that away from more gamers than its putting in. That's my other point. Do you have any relevant numbers to share on the success of xcloud? I'm sorry my numbers are inconvenient for your narrative.

I don't have any numbers. I am just making a prediction that lots of people will be able to play Call of Duty in a lot of different ways in the near future. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[MScarpa]

I don't have any numbers. I am just making a prediction that lots of people will be able to play Call of Duty in a lot of different ways in the near future. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

Naw man you're right. He's just upset about MS taking away games from his box of choice. It is what it is. You actually have more choices to play with MS than Sony but who the fuck am I? I purchased a PS5 for fuckin Ratchet

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Quality is good for me and so is the latency, to each their own. It's funny that you chose to reply with that though. Says a lot. Good luck my man. Expand your horizons. Enjoy the games for the games.l themselves, not the corporation you so blindly follow

You enjoy crap. That's your prerogative. Which company do I blindly follow?

 

[RoyalLaFlame]

Sony games were selling more than the MS ones before the Zenimax deal. If Zenimax games sold around 50M on PS4 being generous, they weren't even a 3% of the over 1700 million games sold for PS4 a few years ago (plus more games that will be sold until it dies, so very likely will end being a way smaller percent).

So the Zenimax deal was going to have a little impact on PS, specially considering that part of these sales were due to featurings and exclusivity or marketing deals with Sony, that Sony now will make with other publisher as they could do with the spare games from Activision that Sony supported, as recent Crash or Tony Hawk. The Blizzard games are mostly PC stuff that didn't affect PlayStation.

PS4 sold almost 120M consoles. Every CoD game sells around 20-30M copies, and a good chunk on PS, let's say around 10M. So less than 10% of the PS4 users buy CoD. And in case CoD leaves PS (something very likely) we should see which % of them would leave PS because of that.

Part of these sales were also thanks to marketing partnerships with Sony, that one will be assigned to other companies, so part of these sales will be compensated with this. And PS has been growing during years, so this growth will compensate the remaining.

So the impact on PS hardware and software sales won't be that important, they will barely notice it. PS will continue selling the double of the amount of consoles than Xbox does, and will continue selling a shit ton of games more for it than Xbox does. Sony's gaming division makes more revenue than the Xbox gaming division+AB, and this is counting that now AB gets a ton of revenue from PS which pretty likely won't be there in the future.

It's not only about individual exclusive sales. MS has a service that is enticing to gamers. It doesn't matter if PS4 has sold more exclusives, what matters is if you have a way of people staying in your platform and keep consuming. If COD sold 10 M copies on PS4, who tells you that those 10 million people will not jump ship to Xbox because of game pass now? Or do you think PS4 got to 120 million just because of exclusives? If that was the case, PS exclusives would sell a lot more.

You guys OVERVALUE the power of PS exclusives (and I'm talking as a Playstation only owner). They are good yeah, but most people that buy a PS4 buy it to play those mainstream games with their friends. I know tons of people that did exactly that, mostly for COD and Fifa, and now one of them is not on PS anymore (maybe). So will they continue buying a platform that just recently raised their individual games prices where they can't play COD with their friends, or go to the platform where a single monthly payment gives them all the games they want to play with their friends? This won't create an immediate effect on Playstation, because the next COD will still release on it, but this is a long term investment. If Sony doesn't change they way they operate, next generation they risk being the third console. This will have an impact on Playstation sales, because the goal of any company is growth. You can't have a company and be happy with always selling the same number of units every generation.

Thinking that Sony won't be affected by this, or that having 3 exclusives that sell well is good enough, is short sighted. Sony will respond to this, and you will see it in the next couple of years. If gamepass wasn't that threatening to Sony, they wouldn't create the Project Spartacus.

 

[MScarpa]

You enjoy crap. That's your prerogative. Which company do I blindly follow?

Sure as hell isn't MS. Hahaha

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you don't own an xbox. Looks like the platform is now MS so adapt or die my friend.

I've owned every xbox till this generation when they started putting everything on pc. I have no need for one now. Ive been a subscriber to gamepass since day one. Sorry to bust your dream on that one. I also don't play call of duty.

 

[lh032]

If Sony did not response with bigger acquisitions in the upcoming months, i think we can agree Sony is really in deep trouble now : (

 

[Jaybe]

I agree

This deal is enormously risky. In terms of scale, it's >3X the size of their second largest acquisition, Linkedin. And it is essentially all wrapped up in two IP, one of which has the vast majority of its sales on the Playstation ecosystem. Microsoft's enormous, so if this looks horrible a decade from now they won't care. But it looks like throwing good money after bad to me.

It is hard for me to imagine what kind of mental arithmetic went into this valuation once you remove Playstation from the picture and start releasing their properties on GamePass. It just seems to me like Microsoft has stupid money and no other targets to throw it at, so Activision makes big headlines... but honestly how does this fit into their strategy? The IP is limited to a handful of mega properties, whose interest has been waning, with studios that are in the midst of turnover and turmoil.

Does Microsoft really want to manage another enormous publisher? How are they ever going to get an ROI on this deal with Playstation out of the picture? GamePass without Activision was already more than compelling through the Bethesda purchase. What does Activision actually add to that other than a massive land grab for a currently hot IP but where audiences have started moving over to other titles?

This seems like an enormously risky overpay and overflex just because Microsoft can, but comes with all sorts of risk and baggage that I could see 10 years down the line looking like a mistake, much in the same way Rare was viewed but on a massively larger scale.

Like...really? $70B couldn't be better spent ACTUALLY expanding the industry? That's what's pretty sad about all this. Maybe Microsoft can right the Activision ship (I'm doubtful). But again it all boils down to it not really adding much to the industry, it's purely an addition by subtraction move similar to Bethesda but multiplied by 10x. While I'm sure it's fun for the superfans to continually gloat about these sorts of moves, does anyone stop and question what good it is actually doing in improving your hobby?

Good take. A large risk for sure. Seems like MS bought into where the industry was for the most part aside from Warzone. The next ‘lightning in the bottle’ will likely come from out of nowhere like Minecraft PUBG Rocket League, LoL, or Fortnite did than any of these studios MS picked up.

 

[BeforeU]

Enjoy shit quality from streaming and horrible latency from that phone or tablet lol

Microsoft didn't spend $70B for today. Give it 5-10 years for tech not evolve. Innovation in streaming will be immense.

For now, they are happy to just build userbase, who would subscribe to Gamepass and majority of the subscriber will prefer downloading. In 5 years, you will see substantially more people using cloud on TV and other media consumption devices.

 

[MScarpa]

I've owned every xbox till this generation when they started putting everything on pc. I have no need for one now. Ive been a subscriber to gamepass since day one. Sorry to bust your dream on that one. I also don't play call of duty.

I don't play COD either. What's your point? I get it, you're mad. It's okay. The thing is, I can play whatever I want and as long as I enjoy myself, that's all that matters. So you can go back to talking shit about games I enjoy and how I enjoy them. It's all good man.

 

[MScarpa]

Microsoft didn't spend $70B for today. Give it 5 years for tech not evolve. Innovation in streaming will be immense.

He doesn't see it. Each their own.

 

[Jibran#one]

Imagine booting up warzone in a few days on ps5/4 and get a Microsoft logo
A single insomniac ,bungie or naughtydog type of buy for a few billion would've done better in my opinion but I think Microsoft's new strategy is if u can't fight them just buy everything

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I don't play COD either. What's your point? I get it, you're mad. It's okay. The thing is, I can play whatever I want and as long as I enjoy myself, that's all that matters. So you can go back to talking shit about games I enjoy and how I enjoy them. It's all good man.

Not remotely mad. I just don't think this is best for the gaming community at large. It doesn't affect my purchasing decisions at all. Your enjoyment of a sub par experience is amusing. Why not download? What kind of games are you streaming?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

He doesn't see it. Each their own.

I'm glad you're so invested in me to quote other people quoting me.

 

[ReBurn]

Ah yes. they should just push the compete button, since that worked so well for them between 2013 and 2020. Definitely don’t try something new to bring value to your platform. Just keep doing the same thing that has failed for years.

 

[Jaybe]

Imagine booting up warzone in a few days on ps5/4 and get a Microsoft logo
A single insomniac ,bungie or naughtydog type of buy for a few billion would've done better in my opinion but I think Microsoft's new strategy is if u can't fight them just buy everything

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but until this officially closes, I think they are still required to act as separate arms-length companies until this closes in June 2023.

 

[saintjules]

 

[MScarpa]

Not remotely mad. I just don't think this is best for the gaming community at large. It doesn't affect my purchasing decisions at all. Your enjoyment of a sub par experience is amusing. Why not download? What kind of games are you streaming?

But see that's what's wonderful. It's just your opinion. Millions of people enjoy streaming. Tens of millions enjoy COD. You have so many options. You can play on the go, or download on your PC or even use a disc on your xbox. Did you know your saves actually will carry over seamlessly too. Incredible huh? And all for a low price. ☺

I enjoy having the option of playing whatever I want and choosing to game even when I'm not at home. With my PS5, I'm kind of stuck in front of my TV, which is fine, but still, i prefer more options.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

But see that's what's wonderful. It's just your opinion. Millions of people enjoy streaming. Tens of millions enjoy COD. You have so many options. You can play on the go, or download on your PC or even use a disc on your xbox. Did you know your saves actually will carry over seamlessly too. Incredible huh? And all for a low price. ☺

I enjoy having the option of playing whatever I want and choosing to game even when I'm not at home. With my PS5, I'm kind of stuck in front of my TV, which is fine, but still, i prefer more options.

"Millions of people enjoy streaming" do they? And I'll ask again who's streaming a game like call of duty? Surely it would be an awful way to play mp. Like literally the worst.

 

[MScarpa]

"Millions of people enjoy streaming" do they? And I'll ask again who's streaming a game like call of duty? Surely it would be an awful way to play mp. Like literally the worst.

I don't know what to tell ya man. It's okay that you don't like streaming I do. Im going to go back to STREAMING (gasp) Battlefield 4.

 

[KyoZz]

Microsoft Wants First-Party AAA Games On Xbox Series X “Every Other Month,” Says Insider​

Microsoft Wants First-Party AAA Games On Xbox Series X "Every Other Month," Says Insider

Microsoft has often stated that a larger next-generation focus will be on delivering quality first-party content on Xbox Series X. The strategy of the

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Remember when this was said? It makes perfect sense now.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I don't know what to tell ya man. It's okay that you don't like streaming I do. Im going to go back to STREAMING (gasp) Battlefield 4.

Why though? It's a simple question. Are you in a bathroom stall? Shit posting while you shit? You can't even make up some evidence to say streaming is the future?

 

[MScarpa]

Why though? It's a simple question. Are you in a bathroom stall? Shit posting while you shit? You can't even make up some evidence to say streaming is the future?

I don't know what to tell ya man. It's okay that you don't like streaming I do. Im going to go back to STREAMING (gasp) Battlefield 4.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I don't know what to tell ya man. It's okay that you don't like streaming I do. Im going to go back to STREAMING (gasp) Battlefield 4.

Did you glitch out? Are you incapable of answering a simple question? I'm genuinely curious. Why stream when you can download?

 

[MScarpa]

Did you glitch out? Are you incapable of answering a simple question? I'm genuinely curious. Why stream when you can download?

I don't know what to tell ya man. It's okay that you don't like streaming I do. Im going to go back to STREAMING (gasp) Battlefield 4.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I don't know what to tell ya man. It's okay that you don't like streaming I do. Im going to go back to STREAMING (gasp) Battlefield 4.

Your maturity is quite something. I'll take that as you have nothing left to offer and had little to begin with. Enjoy doing whatever it is your doing there.

 

[hello505]

What the hell does Activision have besides COD that makes them be worth so high?

 

[MScarpa]

Your maturity is quite something. I'll take that as you have nothing left to offer and had little to begin with. Enjoy doing whatever it is your doing there.

I'm enjoying my STREAMING of Battlefield 4. adios

 

[lastmessiah]

I'm enjoying my STREAMING of Battlefield 4. adios

I am STREAMING his angry posts on my phone. Through the CLOUD.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I'm enjoying my STREAMING of Battlefield 4. adios

Enjoy the objectively worst way to play a game. My theory about you being on the pot must be correct.

 

[eyesabitdull]

Lmao great news everyone, now gaming is definitely fucked in the next 10 years.

Yay for mass corporations swallowing other huge mass corporations to build a megacorp that now controls a large chunk of the market.

 

[quest]

What the hell does Activision have besides COD that makes them be worth so high?

Candy crush makes Bank. Then rest IP and hopes blizzard outside overwatch turns it around. Yes way over valued.

 

[MScarpa]

Enjoy the objectively worst way to play a game. My theory about you being on the pot must be correct.

I'll enjoy it all night. Who knows, maybe I'll stream some COD next. Just don't know if I'll have enough time for all the streaming I want to do.

 

[geary]

Next target should be an AA publisher like Embracer or Warner Bros.

 

[MonarchJT]

It's well documented they actually thought about giving up though. They just ultimately chose the other option, trying to build a Netflix of gaming.

Phil Spencer: Microsoft Nearly Gave Up on Xbox After Xbox One Launch

Spencer: Microsoft almost abandoned Xbox brand after the Xbox One launch

The thing is they weren't giving up out of fear of economic losses (which was what the blatant pseudo forum managers were saying) but out of a lack of coherent and shared vision. there was vigorous shake up of the leadership team across the company (Microsoft) in that period and the new Ms Ceo Nadella with services and the Cloud has proven Ms at the level of earning never seen before ... add that Spencer seems to be the division CEO who has in this moment the clearest ideas of the entire industry on the direction in which it wants to lead its division and you will understand for yourself the reason for the strong change of direction of Ms with respect to gaming. What people did not understand and in what they were ridiculously wrong were the reasons why Ms considered leaving Xbox .. and those were just that Ms lacked a valid project idea to pursue ... Sony never intimidated them because as has been clear seen since Nadella + Spencer came into play. Why? the motivation of why Ms change the cards on the table so quickly is simple ... because economically Sony cannot think of rivaling Microsoft.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Hardware is so cheap right now that streaming just doesn't make any sense.

$ for $ the PS5 and XSX are some of the cheapest hardware we've ever seen if not the cheapest. Even crazier when you consider the PS5 Digital.

If a game cost 70 dollars and the system can be purchased for 400 dollars, 5 games is equal to the price of the console entirely. That's nothing, especially over the course of 5-7 years.

I can tell you that streaming isn't going to come to TVs for a while (and I mean good streaming).

I've got 3 LG OLED TVs and I can tell you that the apps crash way more than they should on these TVs. The TVs also have a 100 Mbps ethernet port. These LGs are pretty high end consumer TVs and I can tell you they aren't running non WEBOS streaming software on them anytime soon and TVs lower on the line aren't going to fare any better.

Before we go streaming, we'll go all digital on consoles, and even that I don't think is guaranteed for the next generation. I think you'll see a role reversal between the dominant models but you aren't going to see them give up discs when so many regions can't download easily. Which is also why streaming isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Perfect example of this type of thinking was the mistake when Nintendo went from Wii to Wii U, misunderstanding their audience. Their audience of non gamers who bought the wii who didn't care at all about HD graphics let alone a touch screen. The audience that would be interested in streaming games would be VERY casual gamers and the company who does it will need support from a company who has a large library of games anyways, since no one is going to develop for something like stadia with super large budgets without it being available on consoles too.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I'll enjoy it all night. Who knows, maybe I'll stream some COD next. Just don't know if I'll have enough time for all the streaming I want to do.

Play with the other 5 people who like to stream and get slaughtered just like them.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Streaming is the middle man between casual gaming whose audience are largely on mobile and someone who doesn't want to buy a console for a measly 300-400 dollars...

A middle man that no one is interested in.

No one is playing their mobile games on their TV and no one is streaming AAA games to their cell phone or 4G or 5G with a controller out of their backpack.

That just isn't a future model.

If you're at home, what benefit does streaming have over a console? SSD prices will continue to fall and even storage limitations aren't a valid concern.

 

[MScarpa]

Play with the other 5 people who like to stream and get slaughtered just like them.

I'm getting the last word now. Not you.

 

[Majukun]

If Sony did not response with bigger acquisitions in the upcoming months, i think we can agree Sony is really in deep trouble now : (

sony will be just fine, they have a really big hardcore fan group that is not going anywhere.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I'm getting the last word now. Not you.

What are you streaming on?