n0razi
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Devs/artists... they are happy about having better and more resources to do work
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Silent Viper
Banned
Why u mad? What about my post made you mad?
Just posting info about recent acquisition and i didn't made it. Just saw it on Twitter.
Topher
Gold Member
Warriors love their list wars, don't they?
assurdum
Banned
If you are fair, you should make a list about the releases of Sony Vs Activision/Bethesda of the last years.
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FlyyGOD
Member
I'm surprised that Many people play Stadia. I've had mine since day one and never connected it.
Camreezie
Member
I've bought all of their consoles and most of their published games. Thats money to them
Plantoid
Member
You forgot to add GAAS tech and knowhow under Bungie
Nothing is really off. Mojang is a publisher with the parent company being MS. You can read the publishers names in the stores for confirmation
PS Store or for Nintendo eshop under Mojang AB.
This is the subsidiary
Mojang AB - Detailed information - Largestcompanies
In the same way Bungie is a subsidiary of Sony now. Any earnings Bungie make is earnings for Sony which they report.
Any DLC is published the same way. The Minecraft IP belongs to Mojang and Mojang belongs to MS. There is no revenue made from server hosting, only expenditure.
Destiny is owned by Bungie and Bungie is owned by Sony. It's the same for MS acquisitions. People are just trying to invent ways where Sony have bought Bungie but don't actually own anything. It's absurd. Bungie/Sony were just very forthcoming about information regarding what their plans are but the company structure is not really that different to the other acquisitions. Sony own Bungie and any money Bungie makes is money Sony has made as the parent company. The self publishing would just mean internally their reports will be separate. Any risks Bungie takes publishing is a risk Sony is taking.
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FlyyGOD
Member
MLB The Show 21 Is Multiplatform and on Xbox Game Pass Because the League Itself Pushed for This
A Sony spokesperson confirmed that MLB The Show 21 is multiplatform and on Xbox Game Pass because the League itself pushed in this direction.
wccftech.com
assurdum
Banned
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
$80 billion vs $3.6 billion.
And listing IPs means nothing when Activision has all of their studios working Call of Duty.
Activision confirms all its core studios are now working on Call of Duty | VGC
Some 2,000 employees are thought to be developing the series…
www.videogameschronicle.com
Bethesda is a one project team as evidenced by Starfield taking 7 years to release after Fallout 4, and Elder Scrolls still being in pre-production. At best, you will get ES6 in 2027.
If Sony goes out tomorrow and buys capcom or SE for $6. they get more IPs than you can fit on that chart. Would mean nothing. The devs are taking 5 years to make FF games. Crystal Dynamics is just starting preproduction on next gen Tomb Raider. We wont get those games for 5 years. So who cares.
We've gone from "game list wars" to "imaginary game list wars". Where we list obscure IPs like interstate 76 and Police Quest but forget things like Myth and Marathon.
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Silent Viper
Banned
$80 billion vs $3.6 billion.
And listing IPs means nothing when Activision has all of their studios working Call of Duty.
Activision confirms all its core studios are now working on Call of Duty | VGC
Some 2,000 employees are thought to be developing the series…
Bethesda is a one project team as evidenced by Starfield taking 7 years to release after Fallout 4, and Elder Scrolls still being in pre-production. At best, you will get ES6 in 2027.
If Sony goes out tomorrow and buys capcom or SE for $6. they get more IPs than you can fit on that chart. Would mean nothing. The devs are taking 5 years to make FF games. Crystal Dynamics is just starting preproduction on next gen Tomb Raider. We wont get those games for 5 years. So who cares.
Why you expect after acquisition is done, all studios will remain Call of duty factory?
JTCx
Member
I'm also 100% sure the humpty dumpty who posted the list hasnt played or know about more than half those games on that list.
Silent Viper
Banned
You live in past and im looking towards the future.
Future where Hexen will be reality and future where COD will not be annualized release.
All thanks to one guy
Lord Spencer. Jesus of gaming.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Can't eat cake and have it. COD isn't the cash cow it has been for the past decade if all of a sudden it's only releasing one game every 5 years like Halo.
Something's gotta give.
cebri.one
Member
Why? Is a legitimate question. Are you 12 or not?
fart town usa
Gold Member
$80 billion vs $3.6 billion.
And listing IPs means nothing when Activision has all of their studios working Call of Duty.
Activision confirms all its core studios are now working on Call of Duty | VGC
Some 2,000 employees are thought to be developing the series…
Bethesda is a one project team as evidenced by Starfield taking 7 years to release after Fallout 4, and Elder Scrolls still being in pre-production. At best, you will get ES6 in 2027.
If Sony goes out tomorrow and buys capcom or SE for $6. they get more IPs than you can fit on that chart. Would mean nothing. The devs are taking 5 years to make FF games. Crystal Dynamics is just starting preproduction on next gen Tomb Raider. We wont get those games for 5 years. So who cares.
This is the energy this thread needed. Well said.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Becuase thats what it takes to get a COD game out everywhere and support Warzone so it keeps printing money. CoD makes them $3.5 billion a year. If anything, they will need more studios to pitch in when they go next gen only with Warzone 2.
No one is going to be the one to suggest cod take an yearly break and they lose $3.5 billion in revenue. Half of it pure profit.
Missing the green rats.
//DEVIL//
Member
I guess that makes some sense . But i am assuming in this case if they split . Bungie still own it’s IPs ( I mean at the end of the day MS did buy bungie before ) and a split happened . However in MS case they owned the IP and right now Sony doesn’t . Correct ?Nothing is really off. Mojang is a publisher with the parent company being MS. You can read the publishers names in the stores for confirmation
PS Store or for Nintendo eshop under Mojang AB.
This is the subsidiary
Mojang AB - Detailed information - Largestcompanies
www.largestcompanies.com
In the same way Bungie is a subsidiary of Sony now. Any earnings Bungie make is earnings for Sony which they report.
Any DLC is published the same way. The Minecraft IP belongs to Mojang and Mojang belongs to MS. There is no revenue made from server hosting, only expenditure.
Destiny is owned by Bungie and Bungie is owned by Sony. It's the same for MS acquisitions. People are just trying to invent ways where Sony have bought Bungie but don't actually own anything. It's absurd. Bungie/Sony were just very forthcoming about information regarding what their plans are but the company structure is not really that different to the other acquisitions. Sony own Bungie and any money Bungie makes is money Sony has made as the parent company. The self publishing would just mean internally their reports will be separate. Any risks Bungie takes publishing is a risk Sony is taking.
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Basil King
Member
It's not fucked up at all, they easily make more money having it on Xbox and PC as well. Unless you want to cut out millions of microtransactions.
They get to put it in Spartacus. Destiny doesn't need exclusive dlc ever again
Thirty7ven
Banned
It's not correct at all. It's like your other question: "How is Sony getting the money if bungie has the optional publishing rights first if they want to ?"
The answer is obvious, every dollar Bungie makes is Sony's dollar, and every dollar Bungie spends is Sony's dollar. Bungie is Sony now, just like Aniplex is Sony. Columbia Pictures is Sony. Playstation Productions (movies) is Sony.
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Swift_Star
Banned
All of that and PS still makes more money than Xbox.
Swift_Star
Banned
A list of revenue, cashflow and profit would be cool too.
Stuart360
Member
Do you care about actual games, or just how much money Sony are making and how many consoles they are selling?
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
"GaaS tech" "Know how"
Well done, GAF
Well done, GAF
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I'm not talking about GamePass with native ports to PlayStation, though. Just cloud versions, and not even for all 1P games. If people want native versions of those games, they would still need to buy an Xbox (or PC). Same if Sony offered a version of Spartacus to Xbox that just had cloud-based versions of most 1P titles in the subscription.
Or in both cases, they could just leave what games are offered to MP-centric titles, multiple bundled into a subscription offering, if they feel they can generate more money from the fanbase by including multiple MP/GaaS titles in their subscription offering on other consoles. And maybe for 1P games not of that ilk, they roll into the subscription for other consoles later down the line.
IMO I think full-fat GamePass on PlayStation would be worst because that sounds like it would necessitate native PS5 ports for games to run on local PS5s, and that would not only hurt subs & sales on Xbox but also complicate the development teams by needing to build/compile native versions for yet another platform specification. From what everyone keeps saying they act as though game streaming is a big no-no for the hardcore/core gamers so people who want the best MS 1P experience are still going to need to buy Xbox or PC hardware.
For the casuals, whom are more accepting of cloud streaming for games, I think that's where you might want to stagger certain 1P offerings of the service on rival platforms, though by that point if they're willing to settle for cloud streaming they probably are a lot more platform-agnostic, so they have less reason to buy a console anyway. MS still gets their sub revenue from them regardless of the platform they're on, if they're using GamePass on PC then they'd only have access to 1P GamePass content and cloud-only versions, otherwise PlayStation is treated the same a a smartphone or tablet in Microsoft's eyes, IMO.
And, all of this would apply to Sony offering a version of Spartacus on Xbox that's just the 1P content offered through cloud-only streaming, too. Potential staggers of selective content parity between PS and non-PS devices, etc.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Are you ok?
Perhaps they don't understand that modern COD is two different versions of a live service game. Warzone is obvious. But not everyone realizes that classic COD is the FPS version of Madden and 2K, primarily differentiated by Activision (soon MS) owning the IP instead of licensing it, but otherwise monetized the same.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Silent Viper
Banned
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Swift_Star
Banned
Are you?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
There is a Discord channel where a bot tracks them using APIs.
LordCBH
Member
Does it pull from the entire player base, or only those who registered with a bot like Charlemagne on discord? Cause most of the ones I’ve seen can only see those who both play and have registered with the bot service.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's Charlemagne and you don't have to register at all.
It is calling the APIs for Destiny 2.
LordCBH
Member
Ah ok. I had my bots mixed up. I was thinking of warmind.io
Either way, very very healthy numbers, especially for a game entering year 5 of service.
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ZywyPL
Banned
Does it? We only know the revenues of the three console makers, with Sony indeed being in the lead by a large margin, but in terms of the actual profit Nintendo makes twice as much as Sony, with half of Sony's revenue. Now where does MS lands? Nobody knows really since MS doesn't want to give the numbers.
I adore how much this graph triggered some folks here, truth hurts it seems, because that's the reality - that's the amount of money Sony spend on just a single studio that has just one game in their portfolio, and they gonna provide just one game, one new IP within this generation at least. Last time I checked it was all about the games, something changed, did I miss something?
I think some people desperately wanted a "gotcha!" moment from Sony after MS's both big acquisitions, but that's not it, sorry. But fear not, Ryan already said there's more coming. Which is actually funny after his "organic growth" quote, seems that one aged just like the infamous "we believe in generations".
kingfey
Banned
You have to consider the ramification of that option.
Playing xbox games on PS, whether its cloud or native is bad business for MS. They are strengthing Sony system.
You have Sony exclusive, plus xcloud which enables you to play xbox games. Do you need to buy a 2nd console to play xbox games? That is how bad that thought is.
Gamepass for both systems is bad. No one is a winner there. Its why MS is using that tactic. They know very well Sony wont accept it. They can just say, we tried but Sony refused it.
Spartacus would be the same spot as gamepass. Neither party wants those systems on their hardware devices.
Topher
Gold Member
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Sony got the better deal
Bear*Walken*the*Sweeper
Member
It was signed away regardless.
Cockles & Whelks
Banned
kingfey
Banned
The funny thing, none of those game will see the day light, unless those devs work on those games.
IPs are generally useless to use it as stats. Either make that game, or leave it on the vault.
Xbox couldnt use Rare IPs during xbox one gen.
Topher
Gold Member
List wars exist for their own sake. Whether or not the games "see the day light" is irrelevant.
Lognor
Banned
IP are much more valuable than people that. That point is clear. Yes, they need the talent to work on it, but developing new IP is incredibly risky. Microsoft has a huge stable of successful IP that makes new games a safer bet. Bungie has...Destiny. And that is a successful game, but when they tire of Destiny there is a ton of risk involved in a new project with a new IP.
Bungie can't just split, but they could buy themselves out. Buying themselves out with the IP will cost more than without it. Effectively Destiny now belongs to Sony.
kingfey
Banned
We seen how valuable rare IPs are. If your IP is dormant for 20 years, it loses the power of attraction. It wont be popular like it used to be in the past.
You need to constant update the old IPs to be relevent.
Also Sony recent games proves new IPs can be successful. Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order is another example.
Swift_Star
Banned
PS makes more money than Xbox. What do you think market share is? They sell more consoles, more software and don’t have a money sink called gamepass, you can look this info up if you want to.
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kingfey
Banned
now I am sad splinter cell wont see a day light. Its just a list now under ubisoft IP list. Last game was from 2013.