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[Swift_Star]

Indeed expect they will release all the COD and the other major IPs in all platforms without Gamepass access, after they spent 63 billions, has tons of more sense lol and just because they did a vague statement without specify in what way such games will be available.

Why wouldn’t they? They release Office on Apple and Android solutions. Microsoft not being platform agnostic was always weird in the console space and was always against what the company is all about in the first place. They’ve always been a service and software company first and foremost. So it makes 100% sense that MS is going towards a platform agnostic future by putting their titles everywhere.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Hedging i see. Fine. I'll do it too so you can't say I'm wrong. Cod will not stay on ps (but it might). Now if it does stay on ps I was never wrong.

So you can't. Its no wonder you think MS is lying to the FTC since you are one yourself

 

[assurdum]

As has been repeated to you, they literally cannot force gamepass on to COD on other systems as a requirement. That is product tying and is 100% an anti trust issue

What Are the Elements of a Per Se Illegal Tying Claim Under the Antitrust Laws? - Bona Law

When a seller requires buyers to purchase a second product or service as a condition of obtaining a first product...

www.bonalaw.com

They can offer gamepass as an option if Sony allows it on the system, in addition to selling it in the manner it is now. They can't force Gamepass in - that is the coercion element of product tying

You seem either very young or your English skills aren't up to snuff so maybe I'm just talking to a brick wall here

Listen Mr lawyer, we will see in 3 years what will happen. Prepare to be punched in your stomach, because US law antitrust are easily manipulable. If MS not want release such games without Gamepass via multiplat, I bet whatever you want antitrust can't do anything against them because they will find a way.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Can, come on don't be so naive.

Why else would they use such carefully worded yet incredibly vague language in that press release ? Clearly they didn't go into specifics deliberately.

If they come out and say "Future CoD titles are coming to Playstation", yall just gonna say "They didn't say all CoD titles, they didn't say when and how!"

And if they ever did that you would just say "They say that now, but..."

 

[yurinka]

Bungie has long since announced they’re working on new IP. I believe they’ve got a 2026 release target or something.

What Bungie said exactly is that they are working on multiple new IPs and that they plan to release at least one (which means 2 or 3 is possible) before 2025 (which means, until 2024).

Sony said that they expect to release over 10 SIE first party (which includess Bungie and PS Studios) GaaS games before March 2026.

 

[DJ12]

A lot of your points are subjective. Again, how would it financially benefit Sony to have GamePass on their platform when they already have their own subs and are creating new ones?

They get a cut of the sub. Basically free money from Microsoft for the privilege of letting them make more money.

 

[Swift_Star]

If they come out and say "Future CoD titles are coming to Playstation", yall just gonna say "They didn't say all CoD titles, they didn't say when and how!"

And if they ever did that you would just say "They say that now, but..."

Yeah, honestly, these guys should drop the act already and admit they’re salty because what they were hoping is not going to happen.

 

[adamsapple]

If they come out and say "Future CoD titles are coming to Playstation", yall just gonna say "They didn't say all CoD titles, they didn't say when and how!"

And if they ever did that you would just say "They say that now, but..."

No if they say that, that'll put the matter to bed completely.

It's why I've said a few times how I think Bungie's messaging was so much clearer because they directly mentioned "future projects in development" in their blog.

 

[laynelane]

They get a cut of the sub. Basically free money from Microsoft for the privilege of letting them make more money.

Why get a cut of the sub when they have their own already and are creating new ones? This is what I am pointing out. Create their own and make more money than getting a cut from GamePass. That also seems to be the path they're taking.

 

[Yoboman]

Listen advocate will see in 3 years what will happen. Prepare to be punched in your stomach because US law antitrust are easily manipulable.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

No if they say that, that'll put the matter to bed completely.

It's why I've said a few times how I think Bungie's messaging was so much clearer because they directly mentioned "future projects in development" in their blog.

And what platforms did they announce for those future projects that made it so much clearer than this?

 

[FrankWza]

Post where i think Starfield will 100% come to PS or drop the clown act already

Ask him to tell you the story of how Sony begged Microsoft for CoD.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Concealing information is a form of lying, Bernd

Nothing was concealed. A question was asked and fully answered.

 

[GHG]

At it again I see.

If you're talking about yourself then yes, we can all see.

Instead of being antagonistic how about you contribute something of substance to the thread?

 

[lastmessiah]

I’m still ready for a real money bet with all of you financial and legal analysts who think future CoD titles will release on PS beyond agreements. Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Nothing was concealed. A question was asked and fully answered.

Not making any mention of specific COD titles being exclusive to Xbox in a topic about COD exclusivity for Xbox, is, yeah, that would be concealment

 

[assurdum]

If MS not want release multiplat such games without Gamepass, I bet whatever you want antitrust can't do anything against them because they will find a way to be released legally and then you could kiss your antitrust laws for the last time.

 

[adamsapple]

And what platforms did they announce for those future projects that made it so much clearer than this?

That part is irrelevant. What matters is whatever they're making, they're promised a multi platform release and also pledged their independent publishing of their own games in the same blog post. Their intent and road map is a lot easier to observe/decipher.

 

[yurinka]

Who wouldn't bring up minecraft when trying to get approval for this deal? More platforms is literally covered by game pass minus Playstation.

They mention Minecraft as example because years later after the acquisition and outside pre-acquisition deals with Sony or Nintendo, MS released all the future new games, updates and dlcs of that IP on Nintendo and Sony consoles. So they mean that all future new CoD 'and other popular Activision Blizzard IPs' will be released on PS and Switch to be sold there.

Sony and Nintendo won't allow to release GP or GPU on their platforms, because they want their players to buy games on their store and to get their own subscriptions instead.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

That part is irrelevant. What matters is whatever they're making, they're promised a multi platform release and also pledged their independent publishing of their own games in the same blog post. Their intent and road map is a lot easier to observe/decipher.

No, it matters a lot, as we've seen from every PR post directed towards us.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

If they come out and say "Future CoD titles are coming to Playstation", yall just gonna say "They didn't say all CoD titles, they didn't say when and how!"

The same caveat applies to Bungo. I don't see the problem.

 

[Negotiator101]

A lot of your points are subjective. Again, how would it financially benefit Sony to have GamePass on their platform when they already have their own subs and are creating new ones?

They have no Gamepass equivalent, by drawing more customers onto their platform because of the likes of COD, DOOM, ELDER SCROLLS, HALO, STARFIELD etc, which they wouldn't have if Microsoft went this route. Plus potential PS owners would have all the PS exclusives as well. It would be the only platform where you have access to all the big gaming franchises (give or take).

We know right now that new releases from the Zenimax acquisition (barring previous deals made with Sony) are not coming to PS. Call Duty will but for how long? And what of other Activision titles? Spencer wants Gamepass on PS and now they have the IP's to possibly leverage a deal.

 

[Craig of War]

People are just arguing in circles if you are on Playstation or Nintendo you are not getting single player games
Xbox will give them the GAAS COD, Overwatch etc but the new IP and single player games will not come to Playstation or Nintendo
they already shown that when they announce Starfield & Redfall exclusive and also hint at Elder Scrolls 6 being exclusive

 

[DaGwaphics]

The mentality of a liar, can't imagine how some of these posters behave in real life.

I'd say that isn't as weird as trying to apply morality to a corporation. MS isn't going to layout a guarantee to anyone regarding the future of their business. For one they don't even know what changes the market will dictate over time. Companies can change course over time. Hell, MS was raising the price of Live one morning and leaving it the same the next, go figure. That isn't even a reference to MS's statements regarding Activision by the way.

 

[GHG]

I’m still ready for a real money bet with all of you financial and legal analysts who think future CoD titles will release on PS beyond agreements. Put your money where your mouth is.

Gamepass savings not good enough?

I'll make it easier for you, if you think the deal is 100% certain to go through without a hitch then put all the money you can scrape together in to ATVI. Sell your house, your car, your wife, your kids, your dogs. Leave no stone unturned. This is the easiest 15% you will ever make in your life.

 

[Negotiator101]

If you're talking about yourself then yes, we can all see.

Instead of being antagonistic how about you contribute something of substance to the thread?

Mate he is calling other users clowns and using other insults quite frequently. As for contributing something of substance to this debate coming from you is laughable, adding a LOL emote to another users post is not I'm afraid.

 

[lastmessiah]

Gamepass savings not good enough?

I'll make it easier for you, if you think the deal is 100% certain to go through without a hitch then put all the money you can scrape together in to ATVI. Sell your house, your car, your wife, your kids, your dogs. Leave no stone unturned. This is the easiest 15% you will ever make in your life.

That’s what I thought. Can’t commit to a bet because you know damn well these games aren’t coming to PS.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Mate he is calling other users clowns and using other insults quite frequently. As for contributing something of substance to this debate coming from you is laughable, adding a LOL emote to another users post is not I'm afraid.

Remember when you decided to attack me first?

 

[GHG]

Mate he is calling other users clowns and using other insults quite frequently. As for contributing something of substance to this debate coming from you is laughable, adding a LOL emote to another users post is not I'm afraid.

This was your first attempt at engaging him:

Why are you so argumentative? Is it because you're an asshat?

Check yourself.

As for contributions, sorry that you don't have the capacity to read beyond the current page that we're on.

That’s what I thought. Can’t commit to a bet because you know damn well these games aren’t coming to PS.

 

[AV]

That’s what I thought. Can’t commit to a bet because you know damn well these games aren’t coming to PS.

I mean, I'd take an avatar bet or something, but I dunno if either of us will remember it in the years it's going to take to be proved/disproved. If you do you can tag me and I'll change my profile picture to Jim Ryan's gravestone or some such shit.

 

[laynelane]

They have no Gamepass equivalent, by drawing more customers onto their platform because of the likes of COD, DOOM, ELDER SCROLLS, HALO, STARFIELD etc, which they wouldn't have if Microsoft went this route. Plus potential PS owners would have all the PS exclusives as well. It would be the only platform where you have access to all the big gaming franchises (give or take).

We know right now that new releases from the Zenimax acquisition (barring previous deals made with Sony) are not coming to PS. Call Duty will but for how long? And what of other Activision titles? Spencer wants Gamepass on PS and now they have the IP's to possibly leverage a deal.

Yoboman has made several posts explaining about "tying". Coercing the service onto PS is not an option - so, leveraging IP to make a deal is not a realistic plan. The thing about the titles you mentioned is that MS has been working hard to make them playable on multiple devices. If people want to play them, they can - on Xbox, PC, phones, etc. GamePass on PS is not the only way to play these games for people not in the XBox ecosystem.

I suppose this is a wait and see situation, but the fact that Sony has indicated no interest in having GamePass on PS and are creating their own sub services seems, to me, to indicate GamePass will not be appearing on PS. As well, there is little financial incentive for Sony to do so.

 

[Thirty7ven]

The same caveat applies to Bungo. I don't see the problem.

Of course, but its not a case of these companies trying to fool us, it's just their plan. And it's not a plan for the next two years lol, it's a plan for the next decade.

Personally I still hope the FTC stops this, AB doesn't need to sell at all they are huge and they don't need MS to grow bigger at all, there's no synergy here, no added value whatsoever for AB, it's just money for the shareholders.

All the talk about "omg China" and "the metaverse future will belong to the commies" is just gaslight. MS should be forced to continue doing what they were doing, and Bethesda was fair game, but this? Come on man, this isn't good for the industry.

I get it, it's fun for console warriors, but if we stop playing this meta game *wink wink*, we can be real about it and say this shit is just crazy. Like if Sony goes out there and merges Playstation with Nintendo, that shit would be awful too, or EA, or Take Two, come on. Even Ubisoft imo.

 

[Negotiator101]

This was your first attempt at engaging him:



Check yourself.

As for contributions, sorry that you don't have the capacity to read beyond the current page that we're on.

No, we had a previous conversation. I have read your view's, nothing of note however.

 

[lastmessiah]

I mean, I'd take an avatar bet or something, but I dunno if either of us will remember it in the years it's going to take to be proved/disproved. If you do you can tag me and I'll change my profile picture to Jim Ryan's gravestone or some such shit.

What is an Avatar bet?

 

[AV]

What is an Avatar bet?

The loser has to change their avatar to whatever the winner decides for a month. Usually whatever image rubs it in most.

The argument that people don't stand behind their ideas if they don't gamble real money with strangers on the internet is silly, an avatar or temp ban bet is the best you're gonna find on GAF.

 

[GHG]

No, we had a previous conversation. I have read your view's, nothing of note however.

Sorry, next time I'll be sure to throw some gamepass shilling in to the mix. Hope you notice me then.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

No, we had a previous conversation. I have read your view's, nothing of note however.

These were your interactions with me which started this since you need a reminder about toxicity

You're an idiot with even suggesting such a thing as Sony acquiring Epic, lay off the sugar you muppet.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/26/sony-strategic-investments-gaming-entertainment-subscriptions.html
Thats Sony Group investment budget over 3 years (and thats not just PlayStation thats Sony as a whole). 18 billion to 2024, stop posting rubbish for crying out loud.

 

[lastmessiah]

The loser has to change their avatar to whatever the winner decides for a month. Usually whatever image rubs it in most.

The argument that people don't stand behind their ideas if they don't gamble real money with strangers on the internet is silly, an avatar or temp ban bet is the best you're gonna find on GAF.

It’s not silly. Talk is cheap but money is real. Anyone can blab their hot takes but when reality hits they are nowhere to be found.

I will bet a permanent ban that CoD titles not already existant or under contract will be MS exclusive.

 

[Negotiator101]

Yoboman has made several posts explaining about "tying". Coercing the service onto PS is not an option - so, leveraging IP to make a deal is not a realistic plan. The thing about the titles you mentioned is that MS has been working hard to make them playable on multiple devices. If people want to play them, they can - on Xbox, PC, phones, etc. GamePass on PS is not the only way to play these games for people not in the XBox ecosystem.

I suppose this is a wait and see situation, but the fact that Sony has indicated no interest in having GamePass on PS and are creating their own sub services seems, to me, to indicate GamePass will not be appearing on PS. As well, there is little financial incentive for Sony to do so.

Let's be honest the financial benefits are unknown to you or I, that's simply your opinion. As I said I don't think it will happen but owning Call of Duty is enormous in the gaming industry, and I'm not sure Sony would want to lose it.

 

[Thirty7ven]

No, we had a previous conversation. I have read your view's, nothing of note however.

Arthur was an awful man and he died like a bitch.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

it's fun for console warriors

I'm a certified console warrior and this particular deal isn't fun for me, because the AB deal was never really about exclusives like the Bethesda deal. It's really more about mobile, but GAF doesn't talk about mobile so people focus on other things.

 

[Negotiator101]

Arthur was an awful man and he died like a bitch

That's a bit harsh.

 

[laynelane]

Let's be honest the financial benefits are unknown to you or I, that's simply your opinion. As I said I don't think it will happen but owning Call of Duty is enormous in the gaming industry, and I'm not sure Sony would want to lose it.

Taking a cut of a competitor's sub versus taking the full amount from your own - do you really think it's opinion on which is more lucrative?

I do agree with you that Sony wouldn't want to lose Cod. It looks like they won't, though. At least, for now.

 

[Yoboman]

Let's be honest the financial benefits are unknown to you or I, that's simply your opinion. As I said I don't think it will happen but owning Call of Duty is enormous in the gaming industry, and I'm not sure Sony would want to lose it.

They won't as MS are keeping it multiplat as they have said. Even expanding it to Switch

 

[Mr Moose]

It’s not silly. Talk is cheap but money is real. Anyone can blab their hot takes but when reality hits they are nowhere to be found.

I will bet a permanent ban that CoD titles not already existant or under contract will be MS exclusive.

Even after this you still want to make that bet? You're an odd one lol.

Separately, Microsoft said it has committed to Sony that popular franchises it acquires from Activision Blizzard will remain available on PlayStation under Activision's existing deal with Sony, and that it has offered to extend the deal on a "multiyear basis." The existing deal with Sony runs until 2024, Smith said.

 

[lastmessiah]

Even after this you still want to make that bet? You're an odd one lol.

Yes I do, what are you afraid of?

 

[AV]

It’s not silly. Talk is cheap but money is real. Anyone can blab their hot takes but when reality hits they are nowhere to be found.

I will bet a permanent ban that CoD titles not already existant or under contract will be MS exclusive.

Waving your wallet around asking people who may on principle never bet on anything, or not be in the position to frivolously gamble money, does not prove that they don't actually believe what they do. That's the most childish thing I've seen in this whole thread.

The whole bet is stupid because you win it indefinitely until you don't, but if you remember this post in say 4 years and the new COD is not on Playstation, feel free to come back and point and laugh.

 

[Thirty7ven]

That's a bit harsh.

No, harsh is saying he was an inarticulate, dimwitted, slow, witless, low IQ dumb ass fool.

Which he was.

 

[Three]

So? The question was about why Microsoft reached 2T+ market cap and I answered it was mainly due to Azure and probably Office.

You also mentioned that Amazon is a consumer company and that MS bet big on cloud. I was just saying Amazons biggest profit (second in revenue and first in profit) come from AWS and that MS entered it after AWS showed it makes a lot. MS was actually late to market with Azure but did well. All this is irrelevant though.

The original point by someone was that Windows had a massive monopoly and this was driven by anticompetitive practices that artificially made the likes of Dell and Co unable to offer alternative laptops without windows. MS was fined for this in several antitrust cases. So denying that MS had a windows monopoly with "windows is an open platform" holds no water.

 

[Mr Moose]

Yes I do, what are you afraid of?

Me? Nothing, I just don't want to see you banned in 2025. We need more people not less.
Edit: Actually, I am afraid of wasps... Fuck those bastards.