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[Leyasu]

It's by far Xbox's biggest franchise.
It's not in the top 5 anywhere if I'm not mistaken?

Houston we have a problem.

? Microsoft’s biggest doesn’t mean competes toe-to-toe with the biggest mp games around now does it. But you already know that. So you are trolling.


At the moment I can get games on EU servers in seconds. If it stays like that, then I will be happy

 

[THE DUCK]

It's on life support.

Halo Infinite - Steam Charts

An ongoing analysis of Steam's player numbers, seeing what's been played the most.

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MS needs to step in quick as 343 is a joke.

We've been over this before, it's doing just fine.

 

[LordCBH]

343: “we will never release a halo game without splitscreen co-op again.”
Halo Infinite: releases without any co-op of any kind.

The gameplay is good, but people wonder why the game disappointed me when co-op is why I liked halo

 

[iHaunter]

First page is full of "343 is bad mkay" and yet they delivered the NEOGAF GOTY 2021

Anyone that supports GAAS that's not an MMO has got some problems. Destiny 2 is unbearable for that reason. I launched it yesterday, it's a fucking MESS. Everywhere you click is a fucking shop. No thanks.

Halo is dead, it's been dead.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Anyone that supports GAAS that's not an MMO has got some problems. Destiny 2 is unbearable for that reason. I launched it yesterday, it's a fucking MESS. Everywhere you click is a fucking shop. No thanks.

Halo is dead, it's been dead.

GAAS is how they have so much content.

Else people would finish games in 20 hrs and move on. That's not how Halo is designed.

 

[STARSBarry]

For everyone repeating that Steam is a poor metric.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/battlefield-2042-is-bleeding-players-as-launch-issues-continue.1625194/

Why it looks like they are copy and pasting their answers from BF2042 homework sheet over 2 months ago.

Remeber guys, the only metric you can use are the ones without traceable numbers that may or may not be bad because we can't see them, and therefore mean that it's all good.

 

[Nikana]

Its still baffling to me they are this far behind. What the hell were they going to release in 2020?

If GaaS is what everyone is jumping into, they need to take a look at the leaders and adapt and understand what it takes to actually run them as a service. Releasing it and it being FTP doesn't automatically grant you forgiveness and sympathy from the player base. Because its free you don't get an unlimited amount of time to add content. If anything it gives you less time as you are competing against the biggest player bases in the market.

Get your shit together 343.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

This is getting old too. You act like it never happened in the old days.
Sonic 3 was released with half its content cut, Clockwork Knight had half its levels cut Shenmue had half the game cut and let's remember Halo 2 had massive cuts to its content half the game scrapped and one of the worst endings ever and yet that's held up as a classic

I understand what your saying but their has been 7 mainline Halo games before Halo infinite released and they should know what content fans want from the game by now.

The content for the MP is very lackluster when you compare what the other games in the series had at launch. Even simple staples to the franchise like co-op isn’t in the game and that’s ridiculous.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It's by far Xbox's biggest franchise.
It's not in the top 5 anywhere if I'm not mistaken?

Houston we have a problem.

Hard to top COD and F2P shooters like Fortnite and Apex. Or forever popular games like Counterstrike on PC.

The difference is MS keeps the franchise alive so it doesn't look as impressive list war wise against those big third party games. But it's still a solid game with a following

Killzone was one of Sony's biggest franchises too back then. Always one of the first games promoted for a new PS system. But they outright got rid of the franchise it was so bad. It's not even a Houston we have a problem issue, since the entire franchise is buried in a cemetery. It's more like Houston we need an obituary.

 

[NinersAllDay]

I mean, listen, we're talking about an update not a game, not a game, not a game, we talking about an update. Not a game. Not, not … Not the game that we go out there and die for and play every game like it's our last.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I understand what your saying but their has been 7 mainline Halo games before Halo infinite released and they should know what content fans want from the game by now.

The content for the MP is very lackluster when you compare what the other games in the series had at launch. Even simple staples to the franchise like co-op isn’t in the game and that’s ridiculous.

If I may play devil's advocate here.

The phrase "give fans what they want" is precisely what they did with Infinites multiplayer.

"Skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been.” - Wayne Gretzky

A massive percentage of people who adored previous Halos have grown up, started a family, and no longer play videogames. You can't target an ancient fanbase like that and expect to succeed.

I'd also point you to the pre release hype this game got. Very few people were looking at Infinites multiplayer and saying "Uh, there's not enough content here." Instead, people were throwing parades for the game.

Halo Infinite released in 2021, not 2007. Gamers expectations are totally different today.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

For everyone repeating that Steam is a poor metric.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/battlefield-2042-is-bleeding-players-as-launch-issues-continue.1625194/

Why it looks like they are copy and pasting their answers from BF2042 homework sheet over 2 months ago.

Remeber guys, the only metric you can use are the ones without traceable numbers that may or may not be bad because we can't see them, and therefore mean that it's all good.

We know that Halo is doing well on Xbox, while BF2042 is no where to be seen.

 

[Papacheeks]

We know that Halo is doing well on Xbox, while BF2042 is no where to be seen.

Halo Infinite is #7 on xbox's ranked most played.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Halo Infinite is #7 on xbox's ranked most played.

Exactly, it's doing well among all the heavy hitters. Now where's Battlefield?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Imagine in 2007 saying Halo is doing well slipping to #7 spot a mere 3 months after release.

 

[Leyasu]

For everyone repeating that Steam is a poor metric.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/battlefield-2042-is-bleeding-players-as-launch-issues-continue.1625194/

Why it looks like they are copy and pasting their answers from BF2042 homework sheet over 2 months ago.

Remeber guys, the only metric you can use are the ones without traceable numbers that may or may not be bad because we can't see them, and therefore mean that it's all good.

So what are you saying, steam numbers are the only numbers that count?

What are the daily numbers on Xbox (all consoles) and those who play through the windows store? If you are going to make shitty comments at least come in with the figures so that your comments are justified.

 

[R6Rider]

Obviously not the whole picture, but it's hilarious after all the doomed topics 2042 has gotten.

 

[Leyasu]

Imagine in 2007 saying Halo is doing well slipping to #7 spot a mere 3 months after release.

Who was the competition in 2007 though?

 

[Papacheeks]

Exactly, it's doing well among all the heavy hitters. Now where's Battlefield?

Being beat by Dying light a mostly single player game isn't good. Nor is that its just ahead of a game that game out in 2015. Halo has much wider reach, and should be beating most if not be the most played. But Still warzone is beating it. I don't expect it to beat something like fortnite or roblox. But warzone for the most part has been on the decline with streamers being the main people keeping it alive.

Once Modern warfare 2 releases Halo's days will be numbered in terms of mass player count. So getting content out to keep numbers high or more active across all platforms is a must.
I actually laughed at Dr. Disrespect when he said Halo needs a BR mode. I feel big team battle can be that, but its taken too long for getting that finally fixed. On top of there not being more than 2 maps for it. Big team battle could be re-tooled to be a BR.

I just think 343 has had such a shit time with project management and tools because of their engine woes that its hindering their production in major ways. And thats on Microsoft in how they have let 343 go the way they have for multiple projects.

Who was the competition in 2007 though?

um..... Gears of war MP, Call of Duty Modern warfare literally the biggest game. on top of rainbow six vegas which was huge, and Ghost recon.

Halo had a shit ton of competition back then. They have a good amount, but nothing like they had in 2007. No one expects halo to beat games like Apex or Fortnite, unless MS does? If so then they overshot by fuck ton.

 

[NickFire]

Halo Infinite is #7 on xbox's ranked most played.

Dying Light 2 being above it seems weird to me, but everything else makes sense to me. The guys who think its underperforming still have a fair point though. It has always been the flag ship as far as I am concerned, and isn't it free for everyone regardless of Gold / GP? Definitely room for fair arguments that the franchise is underperforming in that context IMO.

 

[Leyasu]

Being beat by Dying light a mostly single player game isn't good. Nor is that its just ahead of a game that game out in 2015. Halo has much wider reach, and should be beating most if not be the most played. But Still warzone is beating it. I don't expect it to beat something like fortnite or roblox. But warzone for the most part has been on the decline with streamers being the main people keeping it alive.

Once Modern warfare 2 releases Halo's days will be numbered in terms of mass player count. So getting content out to keep numbers high or more active across all platforms is a must.
I actually laughed at Dr. Disrespect when he said Halo needs a BR mode. I feel big team battle can be that, but its taken too long for getting that finally fixed. On top of there not being more than 2 maps for it. Big team battle could be re-tooled to be a BR.

I just think 343 has had such a shit time with project management and tools because of their engine woes that its hindering their production in major ways. And thats on Microsoft in how they have let 343 go the way they have for multiple projects.


um..... Gears of war MP, Call of Duty Modern warfare literally the biggest game. on top of rainbow six vegas which was huge, and Ghost recon.

Halo had a shit ton of competition back then. They have a good amount, but nothing like they had in 2007. No one expects halo to beat games like Apex or Fortnite, unless MS does? If so then they overshot by fuck ton.

Gears and rainbow six weren’t touching halo and lol @ ghost recon. It was all cod and halo back then.

Listen I am not here to fight for halo infinite, but I do at least like the arguments to be fair.

Halo will never be as popular as it was back then and it is obvious that the popularity of the franchise has declined. That and the fact that other franchises have appeared and have a bigger appeal

 

[Hendrick's]

Halo is dead, it's been dead.

 

[Papacheeks]

Gears and rainbow six weren’t touching halo and lol @ ghost recon. It was all cod and halo back then.

Listen I am not here to fight for halo infinite, but I do at least like the arguments to be fair.

Vegas was big back in 2007? Gears MP was big. I don’t disagree halo and cod were the biggest. Just saying there was more Xbox specific Competition back then.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I thought this thread had been updated because there was finally a perspective on when we'd get the coop campaign and graphics overhaul with RT.

Guess I was wrong.

 

[Papacheeks]

I thought this thread had been updated because there was finally a perspective on when we'd get the coop campaign and graphics overhaul with RT.

Guess I was wrong.

That is not coming for a while. Co-op is May-June at earliest. Forge is probably closer.

 

[Leyasu]

Vegas was big back in 2007? Gears MP was big. I don’t disagree halo and cod were the biggest. Just saying there was more Xbox specific Competition back then.

Yeah I liked vegas. There was Xbox specific competition, but not the 3rd party gargantuans that we have today.

Talking of rainbow 6, I would love a total conquest mode added.

 

[R6Rider]

I thought this thread had been updated because there was finally a perspective on when we'd get the coop campaign and graphics overhaul with RT.

Guess I was wrong.

You'll see a new topic pop-up when Co-Op and then Forge are released.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Still wondering how they're going to balance co-op. If you give us more than one pelican, we are going to decimate everything.

 

[Leyasu]

That is not coming for a while. Co-op is May-June at earliest. Forge is probably closer.

I have wondered a few times how they will implement coop. Will they add a tether for example? I am waiting to play this again in coop, I sometimes think that they cut it because they are not sure how to do it.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Who was the competition in 2007 though?

Call of Duty, The Orange Box, Guitar Hero, Forza 2, Ghost Recon, Project Gotham Racing, Gears of War, Rainbow Six, Splinter Cell...The whole industry was competing for players in 2007. Halo was top dog.

 

[Team Andromeda]

I understand what your saying but their has been 7 mainline Halo games before Halo infinite released and they should know what content fans want from the game by now.

The content for the MP is very lackluster when you compare what the other games in the series had at launch. Even simple staples to the franchise like co-op isn’t in the game and that’s ridiculous.

I thought the big outcry was over the single player mode in Halo 5, yet when 343 focus on that with one of the best (if not the best) main campaigns in the series, that's wrong too.
The team can't win

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

God I love the game so much. They can do whatever the fuck they want. More polish. Fine. I haven’t run into a single bug in the game so far.

 

[STARSBarry]

We know that Halo is doing well on Xbox, while BF2042 is no where to be seen.

And yet it WAS to be seen on xbox two months ago, hence why I am saying that people here are "copying BF2042's homework"

So what are you saying, steam numbers are the only numbers that count?

What are the daily numbers on Xbox (all consoles) and those who play through the windows store? If you are going to make shitty comments at least come in with the figures so that your comments are justified.

No sorry pal I'm not falling for this poor misdirect, that right now is your point. How are you able to prove its doing well by ignoring an actual viewable metric and providing literally nothing.

Off you go chop chop, ah sorry no don't bother because perhaps before making shitty comments you should come back with the figures to make your point, although from the last 20 posts that's hardly stopped you.

 

[VectorVictor]

I thought the big outcry was over the single player mode in Halo 5, yet when 343 focus on that with one of the best (if not the best) main campaigns in the series, that's wrong too.
The team can't win

You have to consider the source of the messages—most of the people claiming Halo is dead are Sony console warriors who go thread to thread to slag on anything Microsoft.

The proof has already been provided: the game is anything but dead per the numbers on PC/Steam, and it’s the 7th most played game in the Xbox ecosystem.

That’s pretty f****** far from dead. This is not an ex-parrot, bereft of life.

And bonus points to the cool kids that get the reference.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Being beat by Dying light a mostly single player game isn't good. Nor is that its just ahead of a game that game out in 2015. Halo has much wider reach, and should be beating most if not be the most played. But Still warzone is beating it. I don't expect it to beat something like fortnite or roblox. But warzone for the most part has been on the decline with streamers being the main people keeping it alive.

Once Modern warfare 2 releases Halo's days will be numbered in terms of mass player count. So getting content out to keep numbers high or more active across all platforms is a must.
I actually laughed at Dr. Disrespect when he said Halo needs a BR mode. I feel big team battle can be that, but its taken too long for getting that finally fixed. On top of there not being more than 2 maps for it. Big team battle could be re-tooled to be a BR.

I just think 343 has had such a shit time with project management and tools because of their engine woes that its hindering their production in major ways. And thats on Microsoft in how they have let 343 go the way they have for multiple projects.


um..... Gears of war MP, Call of Duty Modern warfare literally the biggest game. on top of rainbow six vegas which was huge, and Ghost recon.

Halo had a shit ton of competition back then. They have a good amount, but nothing like they had in 2007. No one expects halo to beat games like Apex or Fortnite, unless MS does? If so then they overshot by fuck ton.

Dying Light 2 is a new game. And a big enough title to beat out many MP games. So it's a bad comparison to make.

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DL2 on PS systems ranks 10th most played beating out MW, Ark, Destiny 2 etc... as well. It's also played more than Spiderman MM which sold like 4M copies.

 

[iHaunter]

GAAS is how they have so much content.

Else people would finish games in 20 hrs and move on. That's not how Halo is designed.

They literally said that's what they're going to do though... Even for SP, it will be GAAS.

Halo Infinite is a platform for the next ten years, dev says

Halo Infinite is the start of a platform for the future, 343 Industries' Chris Lee confirmed. Lee said that Infinite will grow over time versus going with numbered Halo titles.

www.altchar.com

GaaS: Halo Infinite’s Battle Pass Is Too Slow

Players argue against snail pace battle pass.

mmofallout.com

 

[Havoc2049]

I thought this thread had been updated because there was finally a perspective on when we'd get the coop campaign and graphics overhaul with RT.

Guess I was wrong.

Na, just the typical Halo is dead drama queen stuff.

Although someone did post some cool looking clips of the new forge a few pages back.

 

[Leyasu]

And yet it WAS to be seen on xbox two months ago, hence why I am saying that people here are "copying BF2042's homework"



No sorry pal I'm not falling for this poor misdirect, that right now is your point. How are you able to prove its doing well by ignoring an actual viewable metric and providing literally nothing.

Off you go chop chop, ah sorry no don't bother because perhaps before making shitty comments you should come back with the figures to make your point, although from the last 20 posts that's hardly stopped you.

I’m not the one claiming that it is dying by just using steam numbers. The onus is on you to provide the evidence to back up your claims.

Obviously reading comprehension is not one of your strong points is it. Because not once did I claim that it was doing amazing numbers. You are free to quote my messages where I did though.

So off your go, chop chop and come back with the figures to back up your claims. As you are certain of what you say, I imagine that you have them all at hand. Run along now like a good little boy

 

[FireFly]

For everyone repeating that Steam is a poor metric.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/battlefield-2042-is-bleeding-players-as-launch-issues-continue.1625194/

Why it looks like they are copy and pasting their answers from BF2042 homework sheet over 2 months ago.

Remeber guys, the only metric you can use are the ones without traceable numbers that may or may not be bad because we can't see them, and therefore mean that it's all good.

So surely the most reasonable position to take would be to withhold judgement, awaiting more concrete information?

 

[Leyasu]

Call of Duty, The Orange Box, Guitar Hero, Forza 2, Ghost Recon, Project Gotham Racing, Gears of War, Rainbow Six, Splinter Cell...The whole industry was competing for players in 2007. Halo was top dog.

Lol none of them hand the online pull of halo or cod. You might as well have listed every game released that year

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

If I may play devil's advocate here.

The phrase "give fans what they want" is precisely what they did with Infinites multiplayer.

"Skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been.” - Wayne Gretzky

A massive percentage of people who adored previous Halos have grown up, started a family, and no longer play videogames. You can't target an ancient fanbase like that and expect to succeed.

I'd also point you to the pre release hype this game got. Very few people were looking at Infinites multiplayer and saying "Uh, there's not enough content here." Instead, people were throwing parades for the game.

Halo Infinite released in 2021, not 2007. Gamers expectations are totally different today.

This statement that people have grown up and stopped playing video games could not be more untrue. A lots of “grownups” still play video games.

Older Halo games always had lots of content, especially Halo 3. Halo Infinite is a free to play game so of course it will be different content wise but even as a F2P game it launched with a massive lack of content, no clear roadmap and a bad progression system.

I thought the big outcry was over the single player mode in Halo 5, yet when 343 focus on that with one of the best (if not the best) main campaigns in the series, that's wrong too.
The team can't win

First off let me be clear, I think Halo infinite is a fun game. The game play feels like classic halo but with a modern twist.

All I am saying is the content especially the MP is lackluster at the moment and I think that’s the issue most people have with the game right now.

 

[Papacheeks]

Dying Light 2 is a new game. And a big enough title to beat out many MP games. So it's a bad comparison to make.

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Want to know how long it took you to finish your favorite game or complete that super hard platinum? Just add the bot as a friend on PSN to see your stats in detail.

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DL2 on PS systems ranks 10th most played beating out MW, Ark, Destiny 2 etc... as well. It's also played more than Spiderman MM which sold like 4M copies.

Man why is that so high? Is it really that big of a game?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Lol none of them had the online pull...

The same way Halo Infinite doesn't have the online pull of todays multiplayer leaders?

(Despite having one of, if not THE largest, most well funded development studios in the world with 6 years development time)

Apex Legends was made by 200 employees in 2 years. The idea that 343 couldn't compete with Respawn Entertainment after the blueprint was established in 2018/2019 is bizarre.

 

[STARSBarry]

Cool story bro did you copy paste that from 4chan? Come back with some numbers outside of steam and you can stamp your feet some more.

So surely the most reasonable position to take would be to withhold judgement, awaiting more concrete information?

I mean why is not drawing a conclusion from a simialir circumstance in the recent past not valid? It's how people forecast things, there's entire teams who jobs are pretty much doing nothing but that. Most of the forum is essentially this, sometimes it's wrong other times it's right, but low Halo numbers on PC should at least have people asking why is it despite being free not top of the pile?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This statement that people have grown up and stopped playing video games could not be more untrue. A lots of “grownups” still play video games.

It's true. A percentage of Halo 3, or Halo Reach fans, no longer play videogames today. Another percentage of them can't devote nearly the amount of time to Halo that they did when they were 16.

343s job was to appeal to the current gaming audience, which is exponentially bigger and more lucrative than the Halo purists.

 

[SecretAgentHam]

I put in a good amount of hours into Infinite when it launched. It was fun playing with my buddies online and even playing solo when I had 15 minutes to spare. That being said, the same maps and modes wore on me quickly. To top it off, the single player campaign not allowing me to team up with my wife on split-screen killed some of the hype. I've left the game "on the shelf" until it gets some new life injected into it because it seems like an incomplete package right now. I love everything about the mechanics and gameplay but content is king.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

It's true. A percentage of Halo 3, or Halo Reach fans, no longer play videogames today. Another percentage of them can't devote nearly the amount of time to Halo that they did when they were 16.

343s job was to appeal to the current gaming audience, which is exponentially bigger and more lucrative than the Halo purists.

Link to data to back up these claims?

I have a hard time believing kids dropped Fortnite, Minecraft and Roblox to play Halo infinite.

I would imagine most of the people still playing Halo infinite were fans of the older games like Halo 3 and Reach. I fit into this category including all of the people I have played the game with.

 

[Leyasu]

The same way Halo Infinite doesn't have the online pull of todays multiplayer leaders?

(Despite having one of, if not THE largest, most well funded development studios in the world with 6 years development time)

Apex Legends was made by 200 employees in 2 years. The idea that 343 couldn't compete with Respawn Entertainment after the blueprint was established in 2018/2019 is bizarre.

Oh it’s obvious that halo is nowhere near as popular as the biggest games nowadays. I never claimed other wise.

Well funded or not doesn’t mean anything.

Cool story bro did you copy paste that from 4chan? Come back with some numbers outside of steam and you can stamp your feet some more.



I mean why is not drawing a conclusion from a simialir circumstance in the recent past not valid? It's how people forecast things, there's entire teams who jobs are pretty much doing nothing but that. Most of the forum is essentially this, sometimes it's wrong other times it's right, but low Halo numbers on PC should at least have people asking why is it despite being free not top of the pile?

Amazing reply, I thought that you were going to pull out the numbers.

Perhaps explain yourself better if you are just forecasting or predicting things based on…..

 

[Bernd Lauert]

And yet it WAS to be seen on xbox two months ago,

Halo came out before BF2042 and is still doing fine.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Halo Infinite is #7 on xbox's ranked most played.

Yep, behind a very successful brand new release in Dying Light 2, and some of the most successful games in all of gaming.