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Gran Turismo 7’s microtransactions are live, and GT Sports’ $5 cars now cost $40

nikolino840

Member
Food for thought, or as I'd like to call it, "The doomsday car/racing game hypothesis".

If car/racing game consumers can be coerced into paying nominal, and now, premium, prices for game content...
Can those game consumers be coerced further into paying for the virtual fuel in those games?

What if someone at Sony, or another game publisher, is (or has) considering applying microtransactions to fuel consumption in racing games?
Maybe star citizen..but i don't know if you use real Money..or if it's true
 

DarkestHour

Banned
I don't see the problem. Play the fucking game and earn it like you're supposed to. They probably did that on purpose to stop people from sucking all the fun out of it.
 

SSfox

Member
As usual, complaining about this stuffs won't change anything. Many complained about this in Fifa, COD and recently Halo Infinite, but the thing is the more people still buy this MTX trash it will be in games. Just stop buying this stuffs, people complain meanwhile they buy Fifa and COD at full price each year with even some MTX, i mean yeah nice story bruh lmao.

Personally i don't care i will just play the game the usual way, and if it's that hard to earn credit compare to past games i'm sure PoDi will listen and take feedback to make improvements in this aspects. (Can't judge myself didn't start the game yet)
 
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SLB1904

Banned
Food for thought, or as I'd like to call it, "The doomsday car/racing game hypothesis".

If car/racing game consumers can be coerced into paying nominal, and now, premium, prices for game content...
Can those game consumers be coerced further into paying for the virtual fuel in those games?

What if someone at Sony, or another game publisher, is (or has) considering applying microtransactions to fuel consumption in racing games?
Yeah but sim racers know very well why some sims have some cars and others don't. Because those licences aren't cheap

Iracing is popular as hell. Just don't look it up the costs.
 

Yoboman

Member
I dont like this. I dont have a lot of time for games, if there is a particular car I want and don't have time to grind for it then it shouldn't cost me half the price of the game for it
 

kingfey

Banned
oh man, what a mess!.

I agree but no matter what people get angry here it will still happen you know why?

Console wars! The same way we end up having online behind a payway… in all the 3 consoles.

One company does it and their user base is happy no matter what, then the other company will do the same!
That is how they get away stuff easily. When you have people defending your actions, it's easy to do shit like pay online.

I hope gamers can unite against shit like this. But that is pipe dream sadly.
 

Cyberpunkd

Member
What's the explanation here? The article provides none.
Inflation? Jk, it’s really:

Michael Douglas High Quality GIF
 

ethomaz

Banned
Please tell me this is sarcasm? Because if not then you are amazingly spinning this and your reasoning is that they are do it for the sake of the player? Really dude?
Sarcasm for what exactly?
I don't like MTX so the better in my view is that is more and more expensive to the point only the whales will use and give money to Sony.

GTS MTX was too cheap.
 
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Fredrik

Member
As usual, complaining about this stuffs won't change anything. Many complained about this in Fifa, COD and recently Halo Infinite, but the thing is the more people still buy this MTX trash it will be in games. Just stop buying this stuffs, people complain meanwhile they buy Fifa and COD at full price each year with even some MTX, i mean yeah nice story bruh lmao.

Personally i don't care i will just play the game the usual way, and if it's that hard to earn credit compare to past games i'm sure PoDi will listen and take feedback to make improvements in this aspects. (Can't judge myself didn't start the game yet)
Might change the grinding, make it easier to earn money in the game. They did that in DOA6 after massive complaints.

I think it’s awful either way but unfortunately preordered the game and will jump in tonight so can’t vote with my wallet except to not but any mtx cars.
 

kingfey

Banned
"That is how it usually starts."

You always had to grind to buy the most expensive cars in GT games.


This is a post from Gran Turismo 6.




What major changes have been made in the grinding process?

Did it get harder in GT Sport/ GT 7?


Has it been just about the same and the only difference is that you can pay for shortcuts?
The issue isn't the grind. But allowing practices like these.
The moment you accept behavior like this, they will try to push further, to test the water.

These companies main goal is to make money.
 

Zeroing

Banned
That is how they get away stuff easily. When you have people defending your actions, it's easy to do shit like pay online.

I hope gamers can unite against shit like this. But that is pipe dream sadly.
We will never unite and even if we did I’m pretty sure we would have gaming journalists defending it and telling how we gamers are stupid etc.

It already happened in the past!

When was the last time that the fanbase from Nintendo, Sony and MS all agreed to something?
 
What is this mental gymnastics from some people here? I play f2p games and I can see damn well they just want to milk the whales and create an environment where the people who don't buy the cars through money have to miserably grind while the whales feel better with themselves by bragging with their shiny toys in the early game's life cycle. There is no secret here, they want money.
 
Really? That's not what the article says

Aston Martin Vulcan ’16 ($4.99 in GT Sport) – 3,300,000 credits in GT 7 ($40)
McLaren P1 GTR ’16 ($4.99 in GT Sport) – 3,600,000 credits in GT 7 ($40)
Audi R18 TDI ’11 ($2.99 in GT Sport) – 3,000,000 credits in GT 7 ($40)

How much were the in-game credit costs of those cars in GT: Sport?

It looks like the cost of buying in-game credits is the problem in GT7. But then I think they shouldn't sell in-game credits at all. In traditional GT games, credits pretty much directly translate to playtime. When you start trying to put real money value on it, it's virtually impossible not to fuck up the balance.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
They raised the car CC prices in-game, but scaled the CC rewards accordingly.

The grind seems to be the exact same as Sport and other GT games prior. The MTX credits did not change that aspect.

Now whether you care for MTX or not is a whole other and very valid argument, but the grind did not change from what I am watching and reading by GT vets.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
How much were the in-game credit costs of those cars in GT: Sport?
The same.

It looks like the cost of buying in-game credits is the problem in GT7. But then I think they shouldn't sell in-game credits at all. In traditional GT games, credits pretty much directly translate to playtime. When you start trying to put real money value on it, it's virtually impossible not to fuck up the balance.
You could not buy in-game credits in GTS.
Only the car itself.

The article comparison are Apple to Orange... it compares how you buy a car with $ in GTS vs how you credits with $ in GT7... after he converts the credits to the car that cost the same in both.
 
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What is this mental gymnastics from some people here? I play f2p games and I can see damn well they just want to milk the whales and create an environment where the people who don't buy the cars through money have to miserably grind while the whales feel better with themselves by bragging with their shiny toys in the early game's life cycle. There is no secret here, they want money.

GT games have always had cars costing in-game credit values in the multi-millions. They've always been grindy games.

The problem is when you allow players to buy credits for real-money, you create the impression that this already grindy series is made intentionally more-so because of MTXs, which isn't really true at all.

I'd rather they just sell cars for a few dollars each and disable in-game credit purchases.
 

NickFire

Member
Sarcasm for what exactly?
I don't like MTX so the better in my view is that is more and more expensive to the point only the whales will use and give money to Sony.

GTS MTX was too cheap.
You are holding wall too tight. Think about what you are saying.

If you got your way the grind will become unbearable. The more the price goes up, the more the grind becomes longer to get people paying those prices.

Or are you just planting false flags? :pie_thinking: Yup, I see your end game. Get us all riled up so we don't spend $ on MTX. But you are being cheeky, and plan to spend a lot so you have the best cars and we don't. Nice try, but I'm onto you.
 

ethomaz

Banned
You are holding wall too tight. Think about what you are saying.

If you got your way the grind will become unbearable. The more the price goes up, the more the grind becomes longer to get people paying those prices.

Or are you just planting false flags? :pie_thinking: Yup, I see your end game. Get us all riled up so we don't spend $ on MTX. But you are being cheeky, and plan to spend a lot so you have the best cars and we don't. Nice try, but I'm onto you.
Grind?

Are there any evidence that the amount of credits per race changed between GTS and GT7?
 
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Aenima

Member
If your spending money in MTX in any GT game, you playing it wrong, being 2$ or 40$.

I just started playing and already have 12 cars in my garage, i only bought the starter car, all other cars have been given away as rewards.
 
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GHG

Member
This is one of those times it makes sense to poo poo on Sony. They‘ll drop the price if people complain enough.

Drop the price? The microtransactions should be removed.

I will never understand the concept of offering people a way to not play the game in exchange for more money. The whole concept is bizarre. If you're that short on time, do something else. At this rate a hooker is both quicker and cheaper.
 
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GT games have always had cars costing in-game credit values in the multi-millions. They've always been grindy games.

The problem is when you allow players to buy credits for real-money, you create the impression that this already grindy series is made intentionally more-so because of MTXs, which isn't really true at all.

I'd rather they just sell cars for a few dollars each and disable in-game credit purchases.
But there is only one problem that marketing strategy doesn't solve for a live service game or Gaas game, that is player retention. This system will do wonders for boosting player numbers in the long run so Sony can proudly announce those to say the game is more than successful for both their shareholders and FIA.
 

NickFire

Member
Drop the price? The microtransactions should be removed.

I will never understand the concept of offering people a way to not play the game in exchange for more money. The whole concept is bizarre. If you're that short on time, do something else. At this rate a booker is both quicker and cheaper.
Add my name to the petition to drop it altogether. It won't get us a better deal, but you can still sign for me.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Drop the price? The microtransactions should be removed.

I will never understand the concept of offering people a way to not play the game in exchange for more money. The whole concept is bizarre. If you're that short on time, do something else. At this rate a jooker is both quicker and cheaper.
The concept is to make more money, because there are a lot of people out there willing to part with it for instant gratification.
 

Fredrik

Member
Sarcasm for what exactly?
I don't like MTX so the better in my view is that is more and more expensive to the point only the whales will use and give money to Sony.

GTS MTX was too cheap.
This is kinda egoistic. Maybe you have infinite time to grind, idk, but for some with too much real life responsibilities it’s nice to know that mtx is there and not over priced as an alternative.
 

GHG

Member
The concept is to make more money, because there are a lot of people out there willing to part with it for instant gratification.

I get that, businesses will exploit people any way they can. I just don't understand what possesses someone to buy something they don't have time for, only to then spend more money within it for something they likely won't have time to get the most out of anyway.

As a business your first concern should be centered around creating value, not how best to exploit people with more money than sense. I don't see any value here, it's blatantly exploitative.

This is kinda egoistic. Maybe you have infinite time to grind, idk, but for some with too much real life responsibilities it’s nice to know that mtx is there and not over priced as an alternative.

People who don't have time (or can't manage their time) can seek other avenues for their entertainment. These people don't need to be catered for.
 
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kingfey

Banned
We will never unite and even if we did I’m pretty sure we would have gaming journalists defending it and telling how we gamers are stupid etc.

It already happened in the past!

When was the last time that the fanbase from Nintendo, Sony and MS all agreed to something?
Only time we united was the loot boxes. other than that, it almost never.
 

kingfey

Banned
Drop the price? The microtransactions should be removed.

I will never understand the concept of offering people a way to not play the game in exchange for more money. The whole concept is bizarre. If you're that short on time, do something else. At this rate a hooker is both quicker and cheaper.
Its about ego, and showing of your money and collection.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I get that, businesses will exploit people any way they can. I just don't understand what possesses someone to buy something they don't have time for, only to then spend more money within it for something they likely won't have time to get the most out of anyway.

As a business your first concern should be centered around creating value, not how best to exploit people with more money than sense. I don't see any value here, it's blatantly exploitative.



People who don't have time (or can't manage their time) can seek other avenues for their entertainment. These people don't need to be catered for.
Time is just one argument, there are those just want something "now."

Disposable incomes and all that gravy.
 

ckaneo

Member
That is how they get away stuff easily. When you have people defending your actions, it's easy to do shit like pay online.

I hope gamers can unite against shit like this. But that is pipe dream sadly.
Yeah, it's too late. I wonder what the next price increase strategy will be
 
For those of us actually playing the game, earning credits is not an issue and arent locked out of anything.

Appeases the whales at no cost to us normies. Ive never done an mtx at any point for any game, and never will. This particular mtx set up doesnt bother me like others as credit rate is fine.

Holding mtx back during early review was lame as Fuck and that should be the real topic.
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
The issue isn't the grind. But allowing practices like these.
The moment you accept behavior like this, they will try to push further, to test the water.

These companies main goal is to make money.

Yet, people on here are praising MS for their GaaS approach and barely bat an eye whenever they allow you to purchase items with real money....unless something becomes unbalanced.
 

Goalus

Member
Drop the price? The microtransactions should be removed.

I will never understand the concept of offering people a way to not play the game in exchange for more money. The whole concept is bizarre. If you're that short on time, do something else. At this rate a hooker is both quicker and cheaper.
You will have more time to work and make money then. Which will enable you to purchase additional progress in the game later on.
 

Sega Orphan

Banned
Wow, and there are people that are happy with this? Support the dev I guess? Well, Sony fans said they were happy to pay more for their PS5 games because support the devs. Congratulations guys, you fucking earnt this.
When MS raised the price of gold Xbox players raised the roof and MS apologised and backed off it. When Sony was charging more for a PS5 upgrade, you alll hoped on the end of Sony's dick. No wonder they are so blatant in doing this shit.
No one has got owned by their plastic God this gen than Sony fans.
 

AzullAbaddon

Neo Member
If someone wants to pay money to not play a game they paid for that is on them.

As long the MTX doesn't give a person a real advantage, like exclusive mtx hp boost, why should I care?
 
Gran Turismo has always been a grind for in game money. Most of you either forgot or have never played one of the numbered games in the series. My copy of 7 is still in the mail but some of the posted gameplay I've looked at seems to payout races at nearly the same rate as GT5 or 6 for example.

Which means you're gonna be doing a nearly endless amount of the same races over again to get the expensive cars. Same as always.

MTX like this is annoying but will have no negative effect to anyone that does not purchase. More power to you if you like to buy yourself out of actually playing the game.
 

Aenima

Member
How about the fact you can't sell cars anymore? Is that good, or the same as before, as you say?

Jesus
In GT Sport you also cant sell the cars you get as rewards, just the ones you bought with credits. So any duplicated cars u got in GT sport from the roulette are worthless. The roullete in GT7 now can give you credits which is more usefull than just cars. So they took from one side but give on the other, game economy seems in line with other GT games.
 
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