Punished Miku
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System wise yes that is an interesting comparison. Software wise, no. Mattrick gutted first party development. Wii U had multiple 10/10 games so good they're still charting on Switch.
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David Jaffe to Phil Spencer: 'You suck...... get some therapy.'
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Says “you’re only as good as your last game”
Says he won’t consider the 2021 track record of excellent games published by XGS.
Contradiction 101
Over 23 studios and we’ve only hand rumors of development and management challenges in about 4 of them. Yet that’s ‘a total clusterfuck’ ?
Game delays suck, but they’re a far better alternative than releasing something in a bad state. And making the call for delays is in itself a courageous management decision.
kingfey
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Because that is people want. They need tiny stuff to get angry.
Outside of 343i, Rare, the Initiative which is new, and unproven undead labs. The rest are quite about their excellent work. Because it doesn't fit the narrative
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Are we seriously at the point now that people are wishing for Mattrick instead of Spencer lol? Wow.
I think that's absolutely nuts. Xbox is in the best place its been probably ever right now. A lot of people like to exaggerate shit and just go nuts. Spencer deserves all the credit he's gotten for doing a complete 180 with a failing video game brand. They're now so set up for the future their success is basically inevitable. Its not a matter of if but when. Too many studios for them to not have many, many exclusives.
Yes there's some issues with delays to work out. But pretending Mattrick was preferable is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I tried to give people the chance to have fun yesterday and trash Xbox a bit on good fun but we've now entered the stupid phase.
I think that's absolutely nuts. Xbox is in the best place its been probably ever right now. A lot of people like to exaggerate shit and just go nuts. Spencer deserves all the credit he's gotten for doing a complete 180 with a failing video game brand. They're now so set up for the future their success is basically inevitable. Its not a matter of if but when. Too many studios for them to not have many, many exclusives.
Yes there's some issues with delays to work out. But pretending Mattrick was preferable is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I tried to give people the chance to have fun yesterday and trash Xbox a bit on good fun but we've now entered the stupid phase.
Lunarorbit
Member
They also don't need to produce aaa games for all their output. If you see your production pipeline is gonna be bare you have to pivot accordingly. These projects take years and if you don't have the foresight to see the bare spaces in your release schedule and do something about it your company is going to sufferNot sure how this makes sense, since he wasn’t in charge of Xbox from a funding and resources point of view in those years.
He had like 6 first party studios for the xbox one generation. Three of which were tied to the Halo, Gears and Forza franchises.
Publisher of the year 2021
Xbox is selling well, and Gamepass continues to be excellent value for subscribers. Doesn’t seem like any failure to me.
Yes. Talent takes time to make games. Imagine trying to paint a picture that the Starfield or Redfall delays are due to talent not being properly ‘nurtured’.
It took Guerilla 5 years to make a sequel to Horizon Zero Dawn. If Ragnarok releases this year, it’ll be at least 4.5 years post release of SSM’s last game. Ghost of Tsushima was in development for 6 years.
Games take time to make. A generation is a marathon, not a sprint. So trying to sum up Spencer’s first party expansion efforts with output in the first two years of release makes no sense.
Nah... I do agree they should can Bonnie Ross and cut it down with the diversity hires and SJW BS. Only the best and brightest. Halo infinite is a disaster.
CDPR changed the industry in both ways. They upped the ante in 2015 with the Witcher 3 it is still the hurdle all AAA RPGs have to clear.
And then cyberpunk 2077 was the biggest disappointment of the generation. You don't want a first party game tainted with that level of controversy.
The level of pressure in Bethesda must be inmense. They have to produce:
The follow up to one of the biggest games of all time TES V.
Same genre as the biggest game of the generation Witcher 3 and the biggest flops (cyberpunk and ME Andromeda)
Now as a first party after the acquisition (even knowing the game was well under development before, this will be seen as a MS first party game)
With COVID fucking game development times for a year or 2
Only the team developing half life 3 would face more pressure.
Under these circumstances I think a delay makes sense.
CDPR changed the industry in both ways. They upped the ante in 2015 with the Witcher 3 it is still the hurdle all AAA RPGs have to clear.
And then cyberpunk 2077 was the biggest disappointment of the generation. You don't want a first party game tainted with that level of controversy.
The level of pressure in Bethesda must be inmense. They have to produce:
The follow up to one of the biggest games of all time TES V.
Same genre as the biggest game of the generation Witcher 3 and the biggest flops (cyberpunk and ME Andromeda)
Now as a first party after the acquisition (even knowing the game was well under development before, this will be seen as a MS first party game)
With COVID fucking game development times for a year or 2
Only the team developing half life 3 would face more pressure.
Under these circumstances I think a delay makes sense.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Do people still listen to this dude? I thought that after everyone having a laugh at him with the Metroid Dread debacle, he could have lost a lot of credibility.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Yeah, I also created massive franchises that are still going and being turned into movies and tv shows (not to mention toys and comics and all kinds of other shit).
Look, I'm not trying to toot my horn but if everytime I say something you don't like you bring up one of the few games I've worked on that has flopped, I'm not gonna have much choice. Here's the takeaway: By your own admission, you've done nothing with your life. So:
a- reflect on that and figure out what is wrong with you. Therapy can help.
b- until you come close to being a key contributor to bringing the world the kind of fun and joy and escape that I have, please walk your non-contributing ass over to the nearest stool, sit the fuck down, and shut the fuck up.
Thx-
Jaffe
Zeroing
Banned
I agree, maybe we should do a thread about it.
darkangel-212559
Banned
Says “you’re only as good as your last game”
Says he won’t consider the 2021 track record of excellent games published by XGS.
Contradiction 101
Over 23 studios and we’ve only hand rumors of development and management challenges in about 4 of them. Yet that’s ‘a total clusterfuck’ ?
Game delays suck, but they’re a far better alternative than releasing something in a bad state. And making the call for delays is in itself a courageous management decision.
1) It's not a contradiction when what's going on at the moment very clearly proves my point. Being a highly celebrated publisher for 2021 has NOT saved Phil Spencer from this backlash. ''Oh don't worry guys about Starfield and Halo Infinite season delays because LOOK AT FORZA FROM LAST YEAR OMG" Is a ridiculous narrative to hold onto as it totally ignores the very real problems that have been going on and are currently going on with MSs software output. Metacritc is not this saving grace. If your new game is delayed AKA Starfield and this fucks over MS for 2022 no one should give a fuck about the year before.
It's like saying no worries about Xbox One because HEYZ LOOK AT THE 360 LUL SO GOOD.
When you have Halo Infinite in the state as it is and all these studios with fuck all to show for it yes it IS a clusterfuck, and has to be called out for what it is. Period.
2) There's courageous and then there's being totally inept. Stop with the fanboy desperate PR mode.
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Don't mind me. I'm just here taking screenshots.
Ludicrously, irredeemably dumb console warrior takes like this thread is providing in spades, I don't think you see them all that often.
Ludicrously, irredeemably dumb console warrior takes like this thread is providing in spades, I don't think you see them all that often.
wOs
Member
Dude is the Randy Quaid of the video game sphere.
Thirty7ven
Banned
The product continues to be a secondary priority.
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MikeM
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Phil is the best thing to happen to Xbox. I say that as a primarily PS player. Xbox revenue says so as well.
In saying that, this delay will be forgiven if the game is fantastic. I don’t see the reason for the uproar given delays are basically industry standard due to covid.
In saying that, this delay will be forgiven if the game is fantastic. I don’t see the reason for the uproar given delays are basically industry standard due to covid.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Pretty much. And that whole gamepass thing, the dual console strategy, the slow rebuilding of good will for the brand after it was destroyed, the quadrupling of first party studios. But yeah ... let's get the Zynga guy back.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Philly Spencer blocked him for telling the truth....lil'Phill must be a 
. And "Jaffe is and old man with A. D. D. and he has a pipe... fuck you"
. And "Jaffe is and old man with A. D. D. and he has a pipe... fuck you"I would love to know what Spencer has done other than buy up studios.
I mean if anything looking back the outrage against Mattrick was ridiculous in comparison. People angry about no second hand sales, an online DRM and a small power difference on the xbox one yet the Series S is pretty much all that but worse. The xbox one launch had games in spades in comparison to Xbox Series. The end of its life and the beginning of the Series is where the drought actually began.
What Elog says is right, they are good at pricing power and marketing and when you have good pricing power it doesn't really matter what the hell you do even if it's the exact same thing and not that stellar.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Xbox is a loss leader for Microsoft, so of course it's "unknown", they don't disclose those figures. Only mouth breathers like Greenberg report vgchartz numbers on the week they supposedly outsold PS, but I digress
$3.5B
That's for calendar year 2021. Playstation was at $2.6B profit in calendar year 2021. Xbox is unknown but likely lower than Playstation.
I was digging up the report and they mention for the next FY a cost of 44Bln Yen for acquisition, naming Bungie specifically. That's about $300M or the circa $3B deal, so I suspect they are already accruing for that cost in this year's report.
"OI: 41.1 bln yen decrease ·(ー) Increase in costs, mainly for game software development at existing studios ·
(ー) Recording of expenses* (approx. 44 bln yen) associated with acquisitions expected to be completed in FY22, including Bungie, Inc"
In any case, looked for the Activision figures and found this:
Activision Blizzard | Activision Blizzard Announces Fourth-Quarter and 2021 Financial Results
The Investor Relations website contains information about Activision Blizzard's business for stockholders, potential investors, and financial analysts.
Net income $2.669 Bln
Am I looking on the wrong financial statement?
Whitecrow
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The other 19 have yet to put out a single game.Says “you’re only as good as your last game”
Says he won’t consider the 2021 track record of excellent games published by XGS.
Contradiction 101
Over 23 studios and we’ve only hand rumors of development and management challenges in about 4 of them. Yet that’s ‘a total clusterfuck’ ?
Game delays suck, but they’re a far better alternative than releasing something in a bad state. And making the call for delays is in itself a courageous management decision.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
You know exactly what has happened. And even if all he did is buy studios, I'd still rank him above Mattrick. Their biggest weakness was lack of first party, and he's convinced MS internally to invest and sold a new vision to the people in charge and made it happen.
All that Bob Iger did was "buy studios" too.
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Otre
Banned
Dude, I liked that game. I cant create like that. What are you getting triggered for? Thanks therapy wishing genie and your secure self for coming down to us peasants and flaunt it.
MonkeyClaw36
Member
Tip for Microsoft: Hire Tom Kalinske. He know's how to make a difference.
He's the sole person responsible for landing Sega some killer games when he was assigned as head of SOA, and the success of the Genesis as a whole stateside.
He has knowledge AND balls.
I dare to say that, if he was in charge of the Saturns development and release, it wouldn't have bombed as hard as it did.
He's the sole person responsible for landing Sega some killer games when he was assigned as head of SOA, and the success of the Genesis as a whole stateside.
He has knowledge AND balls.
I dare to say that, if he was in charge of the Saturns development and release, it wouldn't have bombed as hard as it did.
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assurdum
Banned
Never a big fan of Jaffe but:
The hell it means "he heard the fan feedback" lol that's a political clowning nonsense.
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Borowski_1
Member
All he's done was spend a shit load of money from Microsoft
Anyone could have done the same
assurdum
Banned
I mean Spencer should really consider a therapy: no need to appear likeable to the fans at all costs. Every time something happens, I see him just worrying about to: "how this thing can make me appear the nice one"?Game is not ready to ship, which is no surprise at all
Company confirms delay, which is the wise choice
Jaffe says that Spencer needs therapy
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Yoboman
Member
What had made Sony successful from this perspective?
I remember trying to explain that Matt Booty quote about games for family of devices and some claiming he meant games starting in 2019 and how there would be exclusives coming in strong starting in 2021.
"All of our games... will play up and down that family of devices" – Xbox's Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it - MCV/DEVELOP
We catch up with Matt Booty, head of Xbox Game Studios,
www.mcvuk.com
“As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices,”
Fun times. The writing was on the wall then, from an actual MS exec....And some tried their best to pretzel this into meaning something else.
Seems like without the acquisitions.....forget Series exclusives....things would be looking really, really dry for Xbox exclusives, period.
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FeldMonster
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You do know that we are a month away from a major Xbox showcase right?
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Buy tons of studios. Convinces Xbox to put all of it on a sub service on day one. Sells it well to the public and nails the messaging. What else do you think executives at that level even do? It's not like he's coding the games or something. He's making the big calls, and a ton of those calls have been transformative. They've had increased system sales and revenue. They're poised to launch a cloud stick next. They've invested in BC titles consistently for years and invested in smart delivery.
When Spencer retires, he will go down as one of the most influential executives in the history of gaming. His core decisions have literally changed the whole course of gaming. This isn't console warrior BS, but just facts. He will continue to be recognized by his peers with accolades and awards until he retires.
digoutyoursoul
Member
At least some see through him
Whitecrow
Banned
Honestly, i dont get how some of you can be this short sighted. I wonder if explaining it for the 100th time would have any effect.Game is not ready to ship, which is no surprise at all
Company confirms delay, which is the wise choice
Jaffe says that Spencer needs therapy
But just in case.
The problem is not 'delaying a game'.
Is delaying 'another game' when you already have been failing so hard at your job of putting out games for years.
Ignoring the whole context of the situation so you can tell here how others are wrong makes me sick.
I wasn't in the meeting where he convinced them. I think MS would have done acquisitions anyway because the games industry makes more money than ever (on mtx mostly) and consolidation was already happening with or without Phil. As a consumer/player though he is giving me fuck all and less than Mattrick because he's just buying up studios. I'm playing games that I would have been playing anyway just with a XGS logo on boot up. I couldn't care less about that really and I'm not a shareholder to give a shit.
oldergamer
Member
This is your typical dumb ass reasoning. Omg games were delayed fire the CEO because he cant code or force games to be made faster? Omg he is letting games take more time? What is this, we want unfinished games!!!
Its fucking backed by stupid person logic, like people calling for jim ryan to be fired.
Jaffe is opinionated, but spencer also blocked him and he never really got over that imo.
Its fucking backed by stupid person logic, like people calling for jim ryan to be fired.
Jaffe is opinionated, but spencer also blocked him and he never really got over that imo.
DangerDiabolik
Member
"Microsoft only just acquired Bethesda, Starfield and Redfall don't count as Microsoft games"
"Starfield and Redfall delayed? It's all Microsoft's fault"
"Starfield and Redfall delayed? It's all Microsoft's fault"
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Seriously. "Psychonauts 2 isn't a MS game."
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MistBreeze
Member
I do not know they seem in translation period
All games day one will be a great burden on them
They have either have to cut production costs significantly on games or raise sub cost wich is bad pr
Releasing call of duty day one for example is a big loss
No matter what how many subscribers u have many sub for a month of 2 play starfield be done with it then cancel sub
Playing starfield for 15 $ is a steal
They have to figure this out somehow
All games day one will be a great burden on them
They have either have to cut production costs significantly on games or raise sub cost wich is bad pr
Releasing call of duty day one for example is a big loss
No matter what how many subscribers u have many sub for a month of 2 play starfield be done with it then cancel sub
Playing starfield for 15 $ is a steal
They have to figure this out somehow
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assurdum
Banned
I could swear they are not the only titles delayed. Maybe it's just a coincidence.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Have to agree with David. Been saying the same thing for a long time: there has been a consistent disconnect between promise and output under Spencer.
Its a little sad that noone really ever calls him out, because without pressure there's no impetus to change. And the concern has to be although having more studios on the umbrella is going to improve release cadence its not really addressing any underlying issues. That being the case, if the problems are systemic, its going to impact an increasing number of products.
Its a little sad that noone really ever calls him out, because without pressure there's no impetus to change. And the concern has to be although having more studios on the umbrella is going to improve release cadence its not really addressing any underlying issues. That being the case, if the problems are systemic, its going to impact an increasing number of products.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Proof?
They don't disclose any figures from their subdivisions. I don't think Office, Azure etc. are "loss leaders" just because Microsoft doesn't report any profit numbers.
The cost for the acquisition isn't in this year's report. It's gonna be in next year's report, that's why they forecast lower profit.
You're looking at the wrong number, I was comparing operating income. Sony doesn't disclose net income for their subdivisions.In any case, looked for the Activision figures and found this:
Activision Blizzard | Activision Blizzard Announces Fourth-Quarter and 2021 Financial Results
The Investor Relations website contains information about Activision Blizzard's business for stockholders, potential investors, and financial analysts.investor.activision.com
Net income $2.669 Bln
Am I looking on the wrong financial statement?
I don't think he is looking at it from an individual project perspective but an xbox console perspective. Phil put all his eggs in one basket and marketed that single game with the typical drought throughout the year then a single release near Christmas. He has been doing that since the 360 and xbox one days and it's what happened at the Series launch too. Rely on a single game (Halo) then a delay, which meant xbox Series launched with pretty much nothing.
Now he is tweeting empty platitudes saying he is listening to feedback again. Jaffe is being very harsh but it has some truth since he is talking about scheduling for the console as a whole, not individual project planning which Phil can't do anything about.
I'm still hopeful that we get some surprises come June.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
XBox Series consoles selling better than any XBox in history. Microsoft wins publisher of the year in 2021 for highest rated Metascore average. XBox now has the most intimidating stable of 1st party developers ever assembled.
Jaffe: "But fire Phil Spencer!!"
97% of games get delayed nowadays. Spencer is doing phenomenal at his position.
Jaffe: "But fire Phil Spencer!!"
97% of games get delayed nowadays. Spencer is doing phenomenal at his position.
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REDRZA MWS
Member
After recent releases that were literally buggy broken messes, (CP2077, BF2042, GTA Trilogy) and seeing as how when a game does need more time aka Halo Infinite, I’d take delay rather than rush release. Good on MS putting quality over rushing for a quick buck and hurting consumers.
Also, David Jaffe
Also, David Jaffe
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PropellerEar
Member
That's what I'm saying, this forum voted Halo as GOTY. We are believers!
Punished Miku
Gold Member
It sure as fuck wasn't Returnal. I voted for Metroid Dread personally. Infinite was a lot of fun though. So was Forza H5. Last year didn't really have a single clear leader for GOTY.
DenchDeckard
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We should have a thread to just highlight what games got delayed over the last few years, especially since covid. That should give us a better idea and if everyone is affected.
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