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David Jaffe to Phil Spencer: 'You suck...... get some therapy.'
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Redfall and Starfield are the games that are for Phil's console. Deathloop got a delay too though, but guess what, Jim had the forsight to release several other games for its console that year along with their Deathloop exclusive.But it's funny. Because Phil does not get credit for quality of Deathloop from Bethesda, but somehow he gets blame for Starfield and Redfall delays from Bethesda
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The Cockatrice
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What an attention whore and gaf keeps sucking his dick.
Captain Toad
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Xbox and Dallas Cowboys fans.
kingfey
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That doesn't the angry narrative here.
Didn't you know that MS is incompetent as hell with their studio's?
If you use logic, then these people won't have anything to be angry about.
assurdum
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Come on now. No need to be so rude about Phil.
Setsuna Mudou
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The only ones with any proof are MS and they don't share the numbers, so you have to ask them. It's obviously operating at a loss as they would be shouting out loud and clear if they made any profit.
Phil sold Satya a bill of goods on how Xbox will be like Netflix someday. What was Netflix's model? Operate a loss for years on end until it would turn around and build critical mass to make good money. That plan might take, 5, 10, 20 years to bare fruit and I guess Satya is happy to sit and wait.
Every other company needs to make money out of gaming, otherwise they are done. That sort of pressure assures games release regularly and need to be successful. MS doesn't really care and it shows...
On the acquisition costs, again, the only account for $300M for next year. That's far from the billions they accrued for investments. The numbers just don't match and they need to be sitting under a Capex budget (minus the $1B for Opex in retention of Bungie talent over x amount of years).
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nominedomine
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All of that to get MS to a place were they pretty much were already at but now spending a lot more.
MS had massive success charging people $10 just for Live Gold already. He goes through all this effort to grow Gamepass for an extra $5? The service it's despite the obvious value (and promised value) only grew to 25m subscribers in 5 years, being available on Xbox, PC and over the cloud.
He doesn't get the blame for those games getting delayed, not the credit for game that were well on their way before he bought the studio. He gets the blame for promising so much and delivering so little over the years to the point those games became so important to Xbox. Without Starfield it looks like they got nothing for 2022.
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Bernd Lauert
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So by this logic, Office, Windows, Azure etc. are also operating at a loss? Obviously not.
Nope, Xbox is a very different business model compared to Netflix.
Idk what your point is, the matter of fact is Activision made more profit than two of the three big console companies, so acting like Activision is doomed and needs to do a complete 180 is a bit weird.
Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite, Psychonauts 2?
The most amusing subtext of this thread is the whole “i don’t like these games so they don’t exist” vibe
Kacho
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Nah he’s still very niche looking at his channel views. He gets a lot of attention here because he posts I’m guessing. That’s the only reason I know about his podcast.
On topic, he’s just saying what people have been saying for a while now. I agree with him that Phil is a great visionary, it’s just his ability to deliver quality games that’s questionable. All he’s had in 10 years is Forza, Gears and Halo.
Forza always delivers.
Gears games are technically competent but the series has jumped the shark. Hard to care anymore.
Halo has remained in a constant state of disaster under 343’s watch.
What else have they had? State of Decay? Recore? Crackdown 3? Bunch of middling experiences. Arguably their best games outside of the trifecta have been PC stuff like Age of Empires 4 and Flight Sim. Two genres that are incredibly niche.
Something’s gotta give…
nominedomine
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Setsuna Mudou
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1- Office pays the bills, all of those make the real money MS has, their core business
2- Gamepass and the investment made by MS in outright buying entire publisers, that's what I'm comparing to netflix. Xbox itself is irrelevant to MS leadership, just a way to get people in their service with not 1 exclusive (all games on PC, etc)
3- I don't they they are doomed at all, though some of their main franchises seem to be losing steam, WoW and CoD specifically. And thanks for providing the numbers, they seem to be performing better than I assumed at first.
Not everyone could have sold the Gamepass vision to Satya. Or even to position gaming as a central pillar for Microsoft, leading to dramatically increased investment.
No, that’s fully to Phil Spencer’s credit. It’s like diminishing Nadella’s focus and investments in Azure and claiming anyone could have done that.
And no, MS is in a MUCH better place than They were last gen. Better Japanese support, much better value proposition and a dramatically improved pipeline for first party games.
Xbox Live Gold - $60 per year.
Gamepass - $120 a year
Gamepass Ultimate - $180 a year.
That’s not an incremental $5. It’s way more than that.
He’s delivered a powerful, solid console in the Series X, better Japanese support, dramatically improved first party pipeline, way more investment in third party publishing deals, much improved indie lineup (thanks to ID@Xbox) and Gamepass, the best deal in gaming. Not to mention consumer friendly moves like Xbox Play Anywhere and Cloud gaming.
Of course, one big downside to all this improvement is increasingly desperate and irate fanboys and console warriors eager to downplay all the cool stuff he’s brought to the table.
We’ll really know for sure in a month when they have their showcase. The general belief is that they’re lining up Forza for H2
A Most Virtuous Cat
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In agreement with Jaffe's sentiment, his choice of words not as much.
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Today is truly a strange day.
No, Xbox isn’t ‘irrelevant’ to MS leadership. Satya himself was talking up the console’s sales success just weeks ago.
Bernd Lauert
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Are you sure?
Since their respective acquisitions, Double Fine have released Psychonauts 2, inXile have released Wasteland 3, Obsidian have released Outer Worlds, Playground have released Forza Horizon 5, Arkane have released Deathloop, and Tango have released Ghostwire. Xbox also recently released Halo Infinite, Age of Empires 4 and Minecraft Dungeons.
All the games mentioned above released in the past 3 years, so 9 games in 3 years. That's maybe not a great number, but far from the "Xbox has no games" meme being peddled over and over again
Bernd Lauert
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It has to do with back when Jaffe apologized for being a white man. I guess he's stuck in a particular political Reddit/Twitter bubble.
Kacho
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The David Jaffe experience. He has interesting thoughts buried under inane ramblings
Zeroing
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PropellerEar
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Philly does Dallas?
ByWatterson
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Last year they put out Age of Empires, Flight Simulator, Halo, Forza, Psychonauts, and technically Deathloop.
This year is rough, no doubt, but let's not act like it has been dry for years.
This year is rough, no doubt, but let's not act like it has been dry for years.
Umbasaborne
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I mean every forgets about crackdown 3, but they hyped that game up for nearly 6 years! Only for it to come out as a budget release that was hastily glued togeather by sumo games because two other outsourced studios dropped it. Halo infinite, also in development for SIX YEARS…and what does it have to show for it? An incomplete game that screams, some how “I Needed more time!” Missing basic features like coop, a campaign story that does its best to ignore all plot set up in the previous game. A fucking shit show and personally my most disappointing halo game to date. The only thing they can seem to get right is forza, but everything else has development hell production mess written all over it. Im an xbox fan, but im sick of the PR platitudes and if i dont see a serious increase in output over the next year then im done with xbox. I dont want to hear covid as an excuse because that hasnt stopped sony from releasing ps5 games the way its stopped microsoft from releasing ANY series x/s games.
DaGwaphics
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We are supposed to have forgotten that already.
Jaffe can be a riot. Sounds like quite the overreaction to this one though.
nominedomine
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Gamepass is $9.99 (console or PC) and Gamepass Ultimate is $14.99.
If you want to factor discounts you need to factor how many people just converted to Gamepass using the 1$ trick, how many are abusing trials, etc. There is no way to know who is paying full price and who isn't so I'll just stick to the official price.
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Punished Miku
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Xbox gamers are saving too much money. Fire Phil.
nominedomine
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People that play F2P or buy/sell used games are saving even more, what is your point? It has nothing to do with what is being discussed here.
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Umbasaborne
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Age of empires: pc only, not for their new console
Flight sim: a port of a pc game, not a new game
Psychonauts: a multiplatform game, hardly bolsters the series x exclusive line up
Forza horizon 5: no issues here, lets move on
Deathloop: a ps5 exclusive game
Halo: unfinished after 6 years
Sure last year was an improvement, but a far cry from sony or nintendos output
ByWatterson
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For sure. But I don't think people truly appreciate how long it took Sony to get there. They've been working on this kind of big AAA development since 2005-ish. Nintendo is a totally different beast with mostly much smaller games and expectations.
PropellerEar
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Flight simulator is 2020 game.
Bernd Lauert
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That's goalpost moving. Fact is, those games were made by Xbox Game Studios (minus Flight Sim). Sony's output wasn't better last year.
Corpsepyre
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Ah, yes, David Jaffe. I bet everyone at Sony just goes 'Ugh, that guy again' whenever he's in the spotlight.
Punished Miku
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The point is you're weirdly criticizing Phil because Gamepass isn't a large price increase over Gold. So the argument is that he hasn't accomplished much because we're saving too much money?
nominedomine
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Why wasn't MS working on it too? Phil was the general manager of Microsoft Studios already in 2008. Name a single successful new IP that he managed to produce since then? Forza, Halo and Gears already existed.
Saying 2008 is being generous to Phil, he was in a positions of power to manage games since before it. Specifically in charge of the region that was struggling the most MS's European developers like Lionhead and Rare.
Will Hermen Hulst get a 15 years windows to show up with some results?
Let's not even mention that Sony really strengthened their internal studios when they were at their worst financially. There's no excuse for the poor job Phil has done producing games.
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kingfey
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There is no goal posting. People don't care about those at all. They want whatever they can to get angry about xbox.
Hogwart legacy and other 3rd party games got delayed. Yet the moment Xbox does that, people get pissed off.
That shows their intentions.
Kacho
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Yeah when you really break it down the publisher of the year talking point doesn’t hold up. Asterisks next to everything that isn’t Forza Horizon 5.
Since then they’ve put out nothing of note. And outside of FM8, which most assume will drop this year, there’s basically nothing. Just another year with Forza doing the heavy lifting.
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kingfey
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Wait? What did I miss?
kingfey
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Because MS management didn't give a crap about xbox.
Its wad their toy. Only when satyr and Phil sat down, is when MS fully invested on xbox.
Buying 5 studios during x360 would have made them new ips. But they didn't do that.
Imru’ al-Qays
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Anyone seriously trotting out this inane "publisher of the year award" needs to be banned. I cannot imagine clinging to such an absurd talking point unless you're literally getting paid.
kuncol02
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Inxille also released remaster of Bard's Tale and VR shooter for Oculus.Are you sure?
Since their respective acquisitions, Double Fine have released Psychonauts 2, inXile have released Wasteland 3, Obsidian have released Outer Worlds, Playground have released Forza Horizon 5, Arkane have released Deathloop, and Tango have released Ghostwire. Xbox also recently released Halo Infinite, Age of Empires 4 and Minecraft Dungeons.
All the games mentioned above released in the past 3 years, so 9 games in 3 years. That's maybe not a great number, but far from the "Xbox has no games" meme being peddled over and over again
Javthusiast
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Where's the fucking content Lebowski?
Bernd Lauert
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The only absurd talking point people are clinging to is that Xbox has no games, while Xbox won publisher of the year in 2021 with the highest Metacritic average in the history of Metacritic
geary
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Metacritic is good only for high rated Sony games and low rated MS games....otherwise is not a good source.The only absurd talking point people are clinging to is that Xbox has no games, while Xbox won publisher of the year in 2021 with the highest Metacritic average in the history of Metacritic
ReBurn
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Google doesn't need to sell personal information. Billions of idiots put it on the internet for free every day.Just like Google was saying this on their conference:
You are all too naive.
digoutyoursoul
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Zeroing
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They still sell it to advertisers.
AllBizness
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I doubt it
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