Respectfully, you are out of pocket. Aint no gahdamn way someone can take you seriously by saying FFXV is better than FFVIIRE
I really wonder how they plan to fit the rest of the game into only two more parts. They stretched about a 6 hour part of the original game into 30+ of superfluous padding, are they going to either rush/skip future content from the original?
Respectfully, you are out of pocket. Aint no gahdamn way someone can take you seriously by saying FFXV is better than FFVIIRE
I can't hear you over the sound of how much FFVIIR sucks.Honestly a laughable opinion. FFXV is a joke.
I can't hear you over the sound of how much FFVIIR sucks.
This exactly, plus with it being split its going to take at least 12 years to tell the storyThe original is my first J-RPG. Loved it when it came out, it's still fantastic overall.
I despise FFVIIR with all my heart, but most people liked it. The characters feel like the retarded, anime versions of the original characters. The original story is great, but this remake is 30% that, 70% filler that goes from meh to garbage.
The linearity and the constant squeeze squeeze to mask loading times, the puzzles and the detour there just to make the game longer. Utter trash.
The fighting system is the only good thing it has, though even there I felt it didn't really know what it wanted to be. But at least it was enjoyable.
It's a chore, it's a 30 hour long slog that could have been a decent 15 without the useless content.
That's why I'm shocked all, ALL OF MY FUCKING FRIENDS LOVED IT.
Seriously, it's shit. FFXV is better.
- The combat: I like a good turn-based RPG, and I also like good real-time combat, but I really DON'T like the combination they are trying here. To me it feels like the worst aspects of both systems, rather than the best of each. It's not turn-based enough to feel truly strategic, and it's not real-time enough to feel like I'm actually in full control of what's happening.
They have said not to expect drastic changes in the actual structure and that you will be going to all the places you would expect.They aren't going to. It's not a full remake of FF7, it's a riff on the story of FF7 from within the FF7 "universe", or whatever.
It should be obvious we are not at this point going beat-by-beat through the whole story that was in the original game.
Again, you've been warned...
They have said not to expect drastic changes in the actual structure and that you will be going to all the places you would expect.
Just like you went to all the places you would expect in Part 1.
Don't expect any major locations to be missing.
Thread saved.To be fair after reading the OP's post I think he has a point.
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and comparing the two I would agree FFVIIR, not a fan.
What's the quote source for this? No matter what... what can I say. I'll believe they pulled that off in 2 more games when I see it.
I think more likely that this is PR talk for -- the player will drop in and out of the story, which completely exists as in the original game, but will be represented in gameplay-terms for a number of key sections during which the player has influence in the events as they are unfolding. The first game was focused on Midgar, the 2nd game could be focused on 2/3/4 other key areas, 3rd game focused on 3/4 more.
You cannot possibly expect to be able to go through (and play through) every location that was in the original story... that cannot be done in 2 more games which are in the style of FF7R.
I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a completely different thing in the end, but I thought they said that most of the big plot elements wouldn't deviate too much from the original?They aren't going to. It's not a full remake of FF7, it's a riff on the story of FF7 from within the FF7 "universe", or whatever.
It should be obvious we are not at this point going beat-by-beat through the whole story that was in the original game.
Again, you've been warned...
XV is amazing !!!Honestly a laughable opinion. FFXV is a joke.
Amazingly Bad.XV is amazing !!!
But what's so bad about it? I've heard for years how bad it is and I was surprised how good it was.Amazingly Bad.
Fortunately, this opinion is wide regarded, even inside square enix (which is the most important)
God for you if you liked it tho.
Ok. This is the thing....Square Enix.But what's so bad about it? I've heard for years how bad it is and I was surprised how good it was.
The graphics, atmosphere, friendship, monsters, MUSIC.
The only thing that is lacking a bit is story presentation and maybe combat but it's just weird.
I liked the game on an emotional level. On a game game level it is flawed for sure.
But well worth playing and one of better games I played last year
Versus XIII was literally my most hyped game of all time. What we got with XV is the saddest shit I’ve ever seen.I can't hear you over the sound of how much FFVIIR sucks.
FFVII Remake April 2020, FFVII Rebirth Winter 2023 maybe 2024... you think FFVII P3 will be out 9 years after?This exactly, plus with it being split its going to take at least 12 years to tell the story
Ok mayhe an exageration but you get my point. Part one 2020, part 2 2023 nearly 2024, part 3 if all is good 2027/2028, will they need a part 4? If so 2031 assuming 3 to 4 years a gameFFVII Remake April 2020, FFVII Rebirth Winter 2023 maybe 2024... you think FFVII P3 will be out 9 years after?
Just lmao the development is going great. The hyperbole here stays the same however
They confirmed 3 games in their latest streamOk mayhe an exageration but you get my point. Part one 2020, part 2 2023 nearly 2024, part 3 if all is good 2027/2028, will they need a part 4? If so 2031 assuming 3 to 4 years a game
Ah well that is good at least. Still, i wish they just did the whole thing. My main thought when playing part one was how much better it woupd have been to have the whole story. We are atill looking at nearly a whole decade to play the entire thingThey confirmed 3 games in their latest stream
The game would never come out dude, this is the only wayAh well that is good at least. Still, i wish they just did the whole thing. My main thought when playing part one was how much better it woupd have been to have the whole story. We are atill looking at nearly a whole decade to play the entire thing
That is nonsemse. Why on earth wouldnt it come out? Are you seriously saying we cant make 100hr rpgs anymore? It is much more likely episodic is the way so we essentially all buy the game 3 times.The game would never come out dude, this is the only way
Outdated according to who? What is a not outdated game design?The only issue (but a pretty big issue to me) is that, back in the day Square Soft was synonym of the best shit in the biz. Since Soft become Enix they have milked FFVII pretty hard. This remake feels that way. Plus outdated game design...is just disappointed but expected.
You guys still think this is same game as original FFVIIStill, i wish they just did the whole thing.
It isn’t, that doesn’t mean the main beats won’t happen.You guys still think this is same game as original FFVII
its not...
Sure but people act as part one is “incomplete” game, it’s not. This game is treated as it’s own game.It isn’t, that doesn’t mean the main beats won’t happen.
You literally listed the complaint dude. It would take most likely over 10 years for it to happen. That’s the Elder Scrolls, Starfield approach. It’s not a realistic ask, most companies need a return on their investment sooner than thatThat is nonsemse. Why on earth wouldnt it come out? Are you seriously saying we cant make 100hr rpgs anymore? It is much more likely episodic is the way so we essentially all buy the game 3 times.
Totally disagree but each to their own I guessYou literally listed the complaint dude. It would take most likely over 10 years for it to happen. That’s the Elder Scrolls, Starfield approach. It’s not a realistic ask, most companies need a return on their investment sooner than that
You were literally angry at people saying they didn’t like FFXV the other day saying everyone was smug for not enjoying it and now are playing the victim card because people actually like FF7R?ngl its refreshing to see there are so many who feel the same way i do about FF7R's flaws.
FF threads on gaf are usually filled with the types who literally believe square is doing gods work. like completely ignoring all the failures of the last 15 years and just pointing to yoshi or nomura with wide, glistening eyes, like everything they are doing and have done is perfect and everything they are going to do is already a 10/10.
minus a few who have been fair and intelligible, despite still disagreeing, i see very little in way of criticism from some of those gaffers. they only look at the good parts and ignore the flaws like they arent even there. im not gonna go as far as to say im getting ganged up on, but its usually like me and 3 other gaffers vs the entire gaf FF fanbase lol.
sometimes i think maybe its just me, then i see this thread and people saying nearly word for word the same complaints i had, and it helps reaffirm it wasnt just me wanting to hate it or whatever.
like ive said in other threads, there are really great things about the direction square and FF are headed, but there are also some really bad ones, and some things that they are simply going backwards on, which is maddening. but im still going to play the rest of the FF7 remake project, bc despite its major flaws remake was pretty good and im expecting the same from rebirth and re-whatever
Your mom?..sorry I am David Jaffe. But if you need a "voice of authority".Outdated according to who?
Ok, how can I put this?. One of the big achievements of early final fantasies (specially PSX ones which are the ones I played). Was the illusion of an 'open world' without the crutches designers use nowadays. Even FFXII achieved this. (How can this be?...insane).What is a not outdated game design?
Your mom?..sorry I am David Jaffe. But if you need a "voice of authority".
And there are more examples. The point is: this opinion is out there, not a product of my imagination.
As for me: it boils down to these aspects:
level/map design (gave me FF13 PTSD) + Progress structure + hud markers/checkpoints = ruins engaging exploration and breaks immersion.
Ok, how can I put this?. One of the big achievements of early final fantasies (specially PSX ones which are the ones I played). Was the illusion of an 'open world' without the crutches designers use nowadays. Even FFXII achieved this. (How can this be?...insane).
Well, to answer you question:
In this context would be that the game level design, exploration and storytelling are so well intertwined that designers shouldn't have the necessity of using eternal graphical elements (HUD and the like) to convey information to the player that should be given organically by the game itself.
I'm expecting each areas to be as fleshed out as they were in chapter 2, 3 and 4 of remake with some areas being several chapters large. I'm obviously not expecting each area to have much content as the entirety of the first game.
XV is amazing !!!
I got to it right after ff7 remake. I think 7r is better but XV is so good once you get into it.
I played Royal Edition on pc
I don't know why people are using my post trying to say FFXV while my point is that to me FFVIIR is so bad I prefer FFXV to it.Versus XIII was literally my most hyped game of all time. What we got with XV is the saddest shit I’ve ever seen.
It wasn’t an F rating but easily the worst Final Fantasy ever made dude
Is outdated alright. You could like it or not it dosen't change that fact.You not liking =/= outdated.
Linearity =/= outdated.
Hard disagree with all this.
But you do you I guess.
Because XV’s characters and world building were dog shit, it needed a 2h CG Movie, a 5 episode anime and a prequel game and 3 DLC’s and fucking directors cut to make the characters even feel relatableI don't know why people are using my post trying to say FFXV while my point is that to me FFVIIR is so bad I prefer FFXV to it.
XV is not a masterpiece in any way, but at least I liked the characters and the world.
It didn't I never watched a movie or anime and I loved the gameBecause XV’s characters and world building were dog shit, it needed a 2h CG Movie, a 5 episode anime and a prequel game and 3 DLC’s and fucking directors cut to make the characters even feel relatable
Because XV’s characters and world building were dog shit, it needed a 2h CG Movie, a 5 episode anime and a prequel game and 3 DLC’s and fucking directors cut to make the characters even feel relatable