Yeah, but it doesn't really matter. Sony are talking about nobody being able to make a multiplatform game that can compete with COD. J Jibran#one is saying the not only has it been done, but it's been done by a developer that Sony themselves now own.
Is that why MS was crying to regulators about Google and Apple? Why didn't they just compete with Google in search? Different ball game when it comes to MS complain and crying......The hilarious part is you're too entrenched to realize that you're embarrassing your own self, and continue to do so.
Moneyhatting Tomb Raider for a year doesn't equate to moneyhatting the entire IP and all sequels away from Sega despite the first game doing extremely well being multiplatform. There is a reason Tomb Raider was associated with PlayStation.
And somebody already ratio'd you to oblivion earlier with the CoD comparisons and how they're much more significant over the past gen.
Regardless, Microsoft isn't playing Sony's game 1:1 anymore and are now playing in their own league. That's why everyone across various forums/outlets/social media are mocking Sony and telling them to stop crying and compete. You're just gonna have to deal with it.
Are you being dense on purpose? The situation is nothing like Sony entering the games market. Sony had no games development studios. They had to buy. The goal post shifting is amazing. MS has plenty of studios.a lot of that people seem to forget, Sony wouldn't be as good as it is without buying IP's early on away from other consoles and studios that were multi plat back then. the whole narrative of Sony only buys studios they work closely with is just silly. very early on they were buying psygnosis who were Multiplatform so they could keep exclusives like wipeout and destruction derby which were huge hitters when Sony came into the gaming market. taking Tomb raider from the other consoles was huge to
You know when MS fangirls click on triggered you've hit the nail on the head.....Is that why MS was crying to regulators about Google and Apple? Why didn't they just compete with Google in search? Different ball game when it comes to MS complain and crying......
It's just hilarious watching you try to spin comments to deflect from Sony's own words. You're working overtime this weekend!You know when MS fangirls click on triggered you've hit the nail on the head.....
Your talking shit. Nothing like the Sony situation. When Sony entered the market they weren't a publisher nor did they own any devs.Sony having bought their place in the video game market 25 years ago, MS are simply following their example. And this time, the company that has much more money is actually MS. That's a pretty funny turnaround.
So after this past week let me revise my post earlier:
Sony: Microsoft having a monopoly in video games is bad. But we having a monopoly in anime is good.
Your talking shit. Nothing like the Sony situation. When Sony entered the market they weren't a publisher nor did they own any devs.
Is the MS situation the same??? If your going to bring history up at least get the facts right instead of outright lying.
Sony changed the development environment for developers that's why everyone and his dog rushed over to develop for PS1. They couldn't wait to ditch the Nintendo method.
Sony now owns Funimation, Crunchyroll, and just bought out Rightstuf, one of the largest anime distributors.
I haven't span anything. MS have been crying on the regulators shoulders about Google and Apple and probably Facebook, Tencent etc. MS should just compete with those companies is what fangirls like yourself have been very vocal about.It's just hilarious watching you try to spin comments to deflect from Sony's own words. You're working overtime this weekend!
Remind me, what did Microsoft say when Sony acquired bungie? Did they say that no one can compete with destiny? That just happened so you should be able to pull up some code quotes from Ms, right? Any drudge up alleged quotes from Ms from years ago? Let's talk about the here and now and talk about the Xbox division. Can you do that if you're going to continue to deflect?I haven't span anything. MS have been crying on the regulators shoulders about Google and Apple and probably Facebook, Tencent etc. MS should just compete with those companies is what fangirls like yourself have been very vocal about.
Like clockwork. So which games did Imagesoft release on Sony hardware? We'll wait........
Sony now owns Funimation, Crunchyroll, and just bought out Rightstuf, one of the largest anime distributors.
You just can't help it can you?It's just hilarious watching you try to spin comments to deflect from Sony's own words. You're working overtime this weekend!
It's just hilarious watching you try to spin comments to deflect from Sony's own words. You're working overtime this weekend!
Your statement was "When Sony entered the market they weren't a publisher nor did they own any devs". This is proven false.Like clockwork. So which games did Imagesoft release on Sony hardware? We'll wait........
It was 1994 it became a full subsidiary of Sony.
Are you trying to compare gaming to anime?
Nobody is interested in anime otherwise there would be more competition. It's a niche market compared to gaming or normal video.
Oops I used the s word!You just can't help it can you?
I suggest that you check how Sony entered the market again, because it seems that you are totally ignorant of how it was done.Your talking shit. Nothing like the Sony situation. When Sony entered the market they weren't a publisher nor did they own any devs.
Is the MS situation the same??? If your going to bring history up at least get the facts right instead of outright lying.
Sony changed the development environment for developers that's why everyone and his dog rushed over to develop for PS1. They couldn't wait to ditch the Nintendo method.
Wtf can MS say about the Bungie acquisition? They'd be laughed out of the office. They took Halo off the Mac and the other platforms it would have eventually reached. They can't say much after owning Bungie themselves. You can't say anything when you've done exactly the same. Also there is nothing much to say as Bungie and Sony have clarified their position unlike some with vague statements that don't really say anything or precise.Remind me, what did Microsoft say when Sony acquired bungie? Did they say that no one can compete with destiny? That just happened so you should be able to pull up some code quotes from Ms, right? Any drudge up alleged quotes from Ms from years ago? Let's talk about the here and now and talk about the Xbox division. Can you do that if you're going to continue to deflect?
Are you thick? You compared MS as of now ie the AB acquisition to Sony entering the games market when launching the PS1. MS already own plenty of studios and games. Sony didn't. So how would you get games on a new system? Please explain what magic other than buying a publisher and developers you could use? Also provide the receipts that Sony paid for exclusivity for the vast majority of games released on PS1 outside a small number of games.I suggest that you check how Sony entered the market again, because it seems that you are totally ignorant of how it was done.
So Sony entered the market but wasn't publishing anything, still they had a ton of exclusive games released on their console. How strange ! I really wonder why publishers would come and put games on that console.
Maybe give it 2 seconds of thought ?
They basically went shopping at third parties and bought exclusivity for games and series. They had a ton of money they threw at marketing campaigns. This was like basically buying the exclusivity for the games.
It was absolutely impossible to miss their adds. They were everywhere. Pushing third party games they didn't even publish. They entered the market making 0 game. Purely and simply bought their place here.
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Of course, since they had infinite money compared to the competitors.It's just Sony’s marketing was far superior.
I wouldn't bother. You're arguing with a guy still butthurt over the saturn.Are you thick? You compared MS as of now ie the AB acquisition to Sony entering the games market when launching the PS1. MS already own plenty of studios and games. Sony didn't. So how would you get games on a new system? Please explain what magic other than buying a publisher and developers you could use? Also provide the receipts that Sony paid for exclusivity for the vast majority of games released on PS1 outside a small number of games.
Spending money on marketing isn't a Sony exclusive. Nothing stopped Nintendo or Sega from doing the same. It's just Sony’s marketing was far superior.
Also take 2 mins to think about this......because you rabbid fangirls always forget this......
If Money was the answer then MS would have been no. 1 years ago. Google Stadia would be a massive success.
Sony were successful with PS1 was because it was an amazing machine. Sony moved to 3d graphics with cutting edge silicon. CD based games much cheaper for devs and publishers than cartridge. Also better royalties etc. The PS1 was a revolution. It broke away from the traditional way doing things ie Nintendo etc.
So it just wasn't money that made PS1 a success but Sony’s planning and getting revenge on Nintendo
Bungie is more or less the same I think if u look at how big destiny became if there is someone who can rival cod its bungieKey phrase “there was a time”. Gamers are not tge same, devs are not the same, creative minds are the same in the teams, market and QoL stuff is not the same. Stop comparing what was 20 y ago with what is now
No one said it was formed in 1994. It didn't become a subsidiary of SCE until 1994. It was setup mainly by the Music group. Otherwise why didn't it release any games for PS1? Sony divisions hardly ever collaborated. A point Kaz made to rectify. So Sony Imagesoft was as good as Sony having nothing.Your statement was "When Sony entered the market they weren't a publisher nor did they own any devs". This is proven false.
"On Sony hardware"? Quit moving goalposts.
Also, they were formed in 1989 as a division of Sony, not 1994. Once again, false.
The anime comment was in response to something else and irrelevant to your statement. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.
No they didn't. Sony never had money anywhere near the level of MS. Unless you can provide the receipts. If your gonna state something then provide the proof.Of course, since they had infinite money compared to the competitors.
Just like MS have infinite money now compared to Sony. The means are exactly the same.
Of course, since they had infinite money compared to the competitors.
Just like MS have infinite money now compared to Sony. The means are exactly the same.
Your statement was "When Sony entered the market they weren't a publisher nor did they own any devs". This is proven false.
"On Sony hardware"? Quit moving goalposts.
Also, they were formed in 1989 as a division of Sony, not 1994. Once again, false.
The anime comment was in response to something else and irrelevant to your statement. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Says he hit the nail on the head due to people clicking "triggered" on his multiple tear-filled rants on this very page...You know when MS fangirls click on triggered you've hit the nail on the head.....
Pot Kettle Black!You're arguing with someone that will do anything to defend a corporation; even so badly that he damage controls, deflects, uses whataboutism and revisionist history all in the same posts to show how SoNy gOoD mS bAd.
It doesn't matter how many times you prove him factually incorrect, he will simply say iT's DifFeReNt! while making more and more excuses. Even Sony fansites and media personalities are mocking Sony over this, but people like him have to do everything in their power to defend their identity.
This ABK aquisition really broke some fanboys heads, but Sonys own responses are bringing salt to unprecedented levels. Crazy part is that ABK and Bethesda are only the beginning.
I'm mocking you by doing the same. Because instead of refuting anything you click triggered.Says he hit the nail on the head due to people clicking "triggered" on his multiple tear-filled rants on this very page...
... yet proceeds to click "triggered" on my post 25 seconds after it was posted.
Can't make this shit up, lmao. Guess I hit the nail on the head, eh?
Sony developed and published games for their own hardware since the '80s (MSX) as Sony (some of them only in Spain or in Japan). When didn't have their own hardware in the market (between MSX and PS1) published as 3rd party. And well, Sony Imagesoft was part of Sony since it was created, before it got the Sony Imagesoft name:Like clockwork. So which games did Imagesoft release on Sony hardware? We'll wait........
It was 1994 it became a full subsidiary of Sony.
Are you trying to compare gaming to anime?
Nobody is interested in anime otherwise there would be more competition. It's a niche market compared to gaming or normal video.
Pot Kettle Black!
It's like when people like you talk about MS sales without ever providing any numbers. It's futile but you'll carry on because.......
He hasn't factually proved anything. Sony Imagesoft was American Music Sony set up. Made games for Snes and Genesis. So are you saying Kaz is a liar when he spent his last years into unifying a One Sony? PS1 was a Sony Japan thing or was that a made up thing? There is always context to these things but rabbid fanboys like yourself only deal in absolutes
How are you mocking me by doing the very thing you've always done? Anybody can go back months and see you're full of shit. And what are you talking about? You've been refuted by multiple people on this very page.I'm mocking you by doing the same. Because instead of refuting anything you click triggered.
Of course they did. They were a much bigger company than SEGA and Nintendo back in the day. You really have no clue what you are talking about.No they didn't.
So from unlimited cash to being a bigger company is the relevance now? If you checked you'd realise Nintendo probably had more cash reserves. Nintendo and Sega were established console players Sony wasn't.Of course they did. They were a much bigger company than SEGA and Nintendo back in the day. You really have no clue what you are talking about.
Why are you making shit up? Wipeout was on Sega Saturn, the sequel too. They even made an exclusive Wipeout game on Nintendo 64 years after Sony acquired them.a lot of that people seem to forget, Sony wouldn't be as good as it is without buying IP's early on away from other consoles and studios that were multi plat back then. the whole narrative of Sony only buys studios they work closely with is just silly. very early on they were buying psygnosis who were Multiplatform so they could keep exclusives like wipeout and destruction derby which were huge hitters when Sony came into the gaming market. taking Tomb raider from the other consoles was huge to
In 2022, people are still comparing Psygnosis to Activision? MS bought 2 mega publishers in their FOURTH GENERATION. How is that the same? Psygnosis had nothing of value after the Amiga and they always stayed multiplatforms anyway (even on Sega and Nintendo) so you guys are just making shit up and lies. Completely desperate.
Wipeout came out in 1995. TWO YEARS after Sony acquired them and it was never as big as COD or anything else. It was also multiplatforms. Psygnosis is irrelevant with any of your arguments.People like you are the ones who actually sound desperate.
Psygnosis is just ONE small example of the holes in your hiveminds arguments, and it's usually mentioned when people like you say Sony never
Tell me what it is you and multiple people have refuted?Talk about MS sales? Why are you vomiting your insecurities about MS sales my way? Why would MS sales matter when they actively promote Game Pass, PC gaming, and mobile game streaming via xCloud? Don't lump me into your pathetic low-tier last gen fanboy arguments.
Are you of all people really asking me if Kaz was a "liar?" Anyone can search for your name with the keyword "Phil" and see tons of posts from 2016 up until recently calling Phil Spencer a liar, heavily insinuating he is a liar, saying he is is a greasy politician, a corporate suit, etc. And you have the testicular fortitude to ask if Kaz is a liar?
How are you mocking me by doing the very thing you've always done? Anybody can go back months and see you're full of shit. And what are you talking about? You've been refuted by multiple people on this very page.
You're not even trying.
No you do. Give us the breakdown of Psygnosis's market share worldwide in the console space back when Sony released PS1?People like you are the ones who actually sound desperate.
Psygnosis is just ONE small example of the holes in your hiveminds arguments, and it's usually mentioned when people like you say Sony never brought a publisher or Sony magically created what they have from the ground up instead of using their other revenue sources to buy their way into the industry. It's a hilarious example because the goalposts always change, including how Psygnosis market share doesn't count, somehow, where as ABK supposedly makes Microsoft a monopoly, somehow.
If Sony could afford to drop $76B on Bethesda+ABK, you bet your ass they'd do it in a heartbeat. ESPECIALLY ABK, considering their pleads to the Brazilian government that this very topic is about, and how much they stress that CoD is extremely important for their revenue and "can never be rivaled." People like you are just mad, after years of telling Microsoft to compete, that they're finally fully on board and actually competing and not playing by the rules that the market leader, who is known for pushing their weight around, is making. Who gives a shit if it's in the 1st gen or 4th? That's just you and your ilk making self-made excuses.
There is a reason why every other publisher in the OP, whom most are actual rivals to ABK, are saying there is nothing wrong with the deal and that it's not anti-competitive....except Sony. Let that sink in. Well, except, you won't. Tough luck.
I don't understand why you quoted me?Epic have with fortnite
Nintendo and SEGA weren't selling TVs, VHD players, portable CD players to every single family out there. We're you even born back then ?Nintendo and Sega were established console players Sony wasn't
Have you seen them aggressively investing gen 1 ?So why haven't MS dominated console gaming yet we are 4 gens in?
How can you possibly doubt this ?MS by your logic is a bigger and far far richer company?
You haven't refuted one thing yet but then shift to something else. So according to your logic Sony should have also been outselling the Ipod and IPhone as Sony is a electronics company.Nintendo and SEGA weren't selling TVs, VHD players, portable CD players to every single family out there. We're you even born back then ?
Have you seen them aggressively investing gen 1 ?
How can you possibly doubt this ?
It's funny?
Some take this shit way to serious.
Are you being dense on purpose? The situation is nothing like Sony entering the games market. Sony had no games development studios. They had to buy. The goal post shifting is amazing. MS has plenty of studios.
Wipeout came out in 1995. TWO YEARS after Sony acquired them and it was never as big as COD or anything else. It was also multiplatforms. Psygnosis is irrelevant with any of your arguments.
They didn't buy Psygnosis to block or control any other platform.
No you do. Give us the breakdown of Psygnosis's market share worldwide in the console space back when Sony released PS1?
Wow that's amazing how you worked out a company new to the console space would have to buy pubs and devs. But some of you are comparing that to MS buying AB.
Sony have got every right to block this deal. If it was the other way round MS would be doing even more. They've shown to do this when they compete with the big boys like Apple and Google etc. They have history of anti competitive behaviour that's why they were nearly broke up.
For what games tho? Lemmings? There was only 1 lemming game on PS in 1998 and then on Nintendo gameboy.Psygnosis is extremely relevant, whether you lie to yourself or not. They're relevant because it presents a massive hole in the arguments of unpaid shills
Yes it grew to 40% in Europe THREE YEARS AFTER SONY PURCHASED THEM. Stop repeating the same BS.Psygnosis gets proven to have had a bigger marketshare WW (albeit due to how long ago it was and the time it was in): "tHaT dOeSnT count, iT WaS 30 YeArS aGo" "AbK makes So MuCh MoRe MoNeY" etc
This makes absolutely no sense and isn't what I was saying. Try again after actually understanding the post you are answering to.So according to your logic Sony should have also been outselling the Ipod and IPhone as Sony is a electronics cocompany.