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Sony says no AAA third party devs can make a game that rivals COD.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
Epic have with fortnite
John Wick
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Is that why MS was crying to regulators about Google and Apple? Why didn't they just compete with Google in search? Different ball game when it comes to MS complain and crying......
John Wick
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Are you being dense on purpose? The situation is nothing like Sony entering the games market. Sony had no games development studios. They had to buy. The goal post shifting is amazing. MS has plenty of studios.
John Wick
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You know when MS fangirls click on triggered you've hit the nail on the head.....
Lognor
Banned
It's just hilarious watching you try to spin comments to deflect from Sony's own words. You're working overtime this weekend!
John Wick
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Your talking shit. Nothing like the Sony situation. When Sony entered the market they weren't a publisher nor did they own any devs.
Is the MS situation the same??? If your going to bring history up at least get the facts right instead of outright lying.
Sony changed the development environment for developers that's why everyone and his dog rushed over to develop for PS1. They couldn't wait to ditch the Nintendo method.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Sony now owns Funimation, Crunchyroll, and just bought out Rightstuf, one of the largest anime distributors.
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John Wick
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I haven't span anything. MS have been crying on the regulators shoulders about Google and Apple and probably Facebook, Tencent etc. MS should just compete with those companies is what fangirls like yourself have been very vocal about.
Lognor
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Remind me, what did Microsoft say when Sony acquired bungie? Did they say that no one can compete with destiny? That just happened so you should be able to pull up some code quotes from Ms, right? Any drudge up alleged quotes from Ms from years ago? Let's talk about the here and now and talk about the Xbox division. Can you do that if you're going to continue to deflect?
John Wick
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Like clockwork. So which games did Imagesoft release on Sony hardware? We'll wait........
Sony now owns Funimation, Crunchyroll, and just bought out Rightstuf, one of the largest anime distributors.
It was 1994 it became a full subsidiary of Sony.
Are you trying to compare gaming to anime?
Nobody is interested in anime otherwise there would be more competition. It's a niche market compared to gaming or normal video.
S0ULZB0URNE
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You just can't help it can you?
Ass of Can Whooping
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Where did I go wrong with my boi? He's out of control
Your statement was "When Sony entered the market they weren't a publisher nor did they own any devs". This is proven false.
"On Sony hardware"? Quit moving goalposts.
Also, they were formed in 1989 as a division of Sony, not 1994. Once again, false.
The anime comment was in response to something else and irrelevant to your statement. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Lognor
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Oops I used the s word!
cireza
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I suggest that you check how Sony entered the market again, because it seems that you are totally ignorant of how it was done.
So Sony entered the market but wasn't publishing anything, still they had a ton of exclusive games released on their console. How strange ! I really wonder why publishers would come and put games on that console.
Maybe give it 2 seconds of thought ?
They basically went shopping at third parties and bought exclusivity for games and series. They had a ton of money they threw at marketing campaigns. This was like basically buying the exclusivity for the games.
It was absolutely impossible to miss their adds. They were everywhere. Pushing third party games they didn't even publish, many that were available on Saturn as well. They entered the market making 0 game. Purely and simply bought their place here.
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John Wick
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Wtf can MS say about the Bungie acquisition? They'd be laughed out of the office. They took Halo off the Mac and the other platforms it would have eventually reached. They can't say much after owning Bungie themselves. You can't say anything when you've done exactly the same. Also there is nothing much to say as Bungie and Sony have clarified their position unlike some with vague statements that don't really say anything or precise.
John Wick
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Are you thick? You compared MS as of now ie the AB acquisition to Sony entering the games market when launching the PS1. MS already own plenty of studios and games. Sony didn't. So how would you get games on a new system? Please explain what magic other than buying a publisher and developers you could use? Also provide the receipts that Sony paid for exclusivity for the vast majority of games released on PS1 outside a small number of games.
Spending money on marketing isn't a Sony exclusive. Nothing stopped Nintendo or Sega from doing the same. It's just Sony’s marketing was far superior.
Also take 2 mins to think about this......because you rabbid fangirls always forget this......
If Money was the answer then MS would have been no. 1 years ago. Google Stadia would be a massive success.
Sony were successful with PS1 was because it was an amazing machine. Sony moved to 3d graphics with cutting edge silicon. CD based games much cheaper for devs and publishers than cartridge. Also better royalties etc. The PS1 was a revolution. It broke away from the traditional way doing things ie Nintendo etc.
So it just wasn't money that made PS1 a success but Sony’s planning and getting revenge on Nintendo
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Ass of Can Whooping
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At this rate god is going to disown me
cireza
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Of course, since they had infinite money compared to the competitors.
Just like MS have infinite money now compared to Sony. The means are exactly the same.
01011001
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jesus fucking christ the levels of retardation in the thread really exploded recently haven't they?
Sony is crying about Microsoft because as a company they will try everything they can to help their own profits.
Microsoft cried about other companies in the past because they also try everything to help with their profits
both companies only care for a single thing and that is to have the most advantageous market position they can get to, and going to the "referees" and at least try to keep the competition down is a simple and always used tactic BY EVERY COMPANY that sees at leats a tiny chance to win the argument, or help their side of the argument.
both companies are hypocritical assholes, both are multi billion dollar conglomerates that don't care about your poor ass...
because that's how the business works.
how hard is it to come to this very obvious conclusion?
Sony is crying about Microsoft because as a company they will try everything they can to help their own profits.
Microsoft cried about other companies in the past because they also try everything to help with their profits
both companies only care for a single thing and that is to have the most advantageous market position they can get to, and going to the "referees" and at least try to keep the competition down is a simple and always used tactic BY EVERY COMPANY that sees at leats a tiny chance to win the argument, or help their side of the argument.
both companies are hypocritical assholes, both are multi billion dollar conglomerates that don't care about your poor ass...
because that's how the business works.
how hard is it to come to this very obvious conclusion?
drganon
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I wouldn't bother. You're arguing with a guy still butthurt over the saturn.
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Jibran#one
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Bungie is more or less the same I think if u look at how big destiny became if there is someone who can rival cod its bungie
John Wick
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No one said it was formed in 1994. It didn't become a subsidiary of SCE until 1994. It was setup mainly by the Music group. Otherwise why didn't it release any games for PS1? Sony divisions hardly ever collaborated. A point Kaz made to rectify. So Sony Imagesoft was as good as Sony having nothing.
John Wick
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No they didn't. Sony never had money anywhere near the level of MS. Unless you can provide the receipts. If your gonna state something then provide the proof.
Also you should be glad Sony is investing in Anime so more people can watch it etc because hardly anybody else is.
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You're arguing with someone that will do anything to defend a corporation; even so badly that he damage controls, deflects, uses whataboutism and revisionist history all in the same posts to show how SoNy gOoD mS bAd.
It doesn't matter how many times you prove him factually incorrect, he will simply say iT's DifFeReNt! while making more and more excuses. Even Sony fansites and media personalities are mocking Sony over this, but people like him have to do everything in their power to defend their identity.
This ABK aquisition really broke some fanboys heads, but Sonys own responses are bringing salt to unprecedented levels. Crazy part is that ABK and Bethesda are only the beginning.
Says he hit the nail on the head due to people clicking "triggered" on his multiple tear-filled rants on this very page...
... yet proceeds to click "triggered" on my post 25 seconds after it was posted.
Can't make this shit up, lmao. Guess I hit the nail on the head, eh?
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John Wick
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Pot Kettle Black!
It's like when people like you talk about MS sales without ever providing any numbers. It's futile but you'll carry on because.......
He hasn't factually proved anything. Sony Imagesoft was American Music Sony set up. Made games for Snes and Genesis. So are you saying Kaz is a liar when he spent his last years into unifying a One Sony? PS1 was a Sony Japan thing or was that a made up thing? There is always context to these things but rabbid fanboys like yourself only deal in absolutes
John Wick
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I'm mocking you by doing the same. Because instead of refuting anything you click triggered.Says he hit the nail on the head due to people clicking "triggered" on his multiple tear-filled rants on this very page...
... yet proceeds to click "triggered" on my post 25 seconds after it was posted.
Can't make this shit up, lmao. Guess I hit the nail on the head, eh?
yurinka
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Sony developed and published games for their own hardware since the '80s (MSX) as Sony (some of them only in Spain or in Japan). When didn't have their own hardware in the market (between MSX and PS1) published as 3rd party. And well, Sony Imagesoft was part of Sony since it was created, before it got the Sony Imagesoft name:
Sony started publishing games back in 1983 for the MSX computers (Sony also made MSX computer hardware back then). Some of them developed by them, some other ones developed by 3rd party studios (Compile, HAL, Konami, Accolade and other ones).
Sony Imagesoft Inc. was an American publisher that existed from 1989 to 1995 and was originally named CSG Imagesoft because it was a subsidiary of CBS/Sony Group (CSG). Sony Music Entertainment (Japanese) also developed SNES games and published them under Epic/Sony Records brand. In 1991 they created their North American division, Sony Electronic Publishing and was then when CSG Imagesoft was renamed to Sony Imagesoft.
Psygnosis, created in 1984, was bought in 1993 (2 years before PS1) by Sony Electronic Publishing, later became SCEE Studio Liverpool and later XDEV branched off from it. In 1995, just before releasing PS1 in NA they created Sony Computer Entertainment America and Sony Imagesoft was merged into it. Sony Computer Entertainment (now SIE) was originally a subsidiary of Sony Music.
As of today, Sony Music still publishes and develop games outside SIE. They continue publishing or developing games (even for non Sony consoles, PC or mobile) as Sony Music or as some of their subsidiaries as Unties, Aniplex or Lasengle.
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Talk about MS sales? Why are you vomiting your insecurities about MS sales my way? Why would MS sales matter when they actively promote Game Pass, PC gaming, and mobile game streaming via xCloud? Don't lump me into your pathetic low-tier last gen fanboy arguments.
Are you of all people really asking me if Kaz was a "liar?" Anyone can search for your name with the keyword "Phil" and see tons of posts from 2016 up until recently calling Phil Spencer a liar, heavily insinuating he is a liar, saying he is is a greasy politician, a corporate suit, etc. And you have the testicular fortitude to ask if Kaz is a liar?
How are you mocking me by doing the very thing you've always done? Anybody can go back months and see you're full of shit. And what are you talking about? You've been refuted by multiple people on this very page.
You're not even trying.
cireza
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Of course they did. They were a much bigger company than SEGA and Nintendo back in the day. You really have no clue what you are talking about.
GhostOfTsu
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In 2022, people are still comparing Psygnosis to Activision? MS bought 2 mega publishers in their FOURTH GENERATION. How is that the same? Psygnosis had nothing of value after the Amiga and they always stayed multiplatforms anyway (even on Sega and Nintendo) so you guys are just making shit up and lies. Completely desperate.
John Wick
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So from unlimited cash to being a bigger company is the relevance now? If you checked you'd realise Nintendo probably had more cash reserves. Nintendo and Sega were established console players Sony wasn't.
So why haven't MS dominated console gaming yet we are 4 gens in? MS by your logic is a bigger and far far richer company?
GhostOfTsu
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Why are you making shit up? Wipeout was on Sega Saturn, the sequel too. They even made an exclusive Wipeout game on Nintendo 64 years after Sony acquired them.
You guys need to stop rewriting history (I'm not surprised at who liked your post).
People like you are the ones who actually sound desperate.
Psygnosis is just ONE small example of the holes in your hiveminds arguments, and it's usually mentioned when people like you say Sony never brought a publisher or Sony magically created what they have from the ground up instead of using their other revenue sources to buy their way into the industry. It's a hilarious example because the goalposts always change, including how Psygnosis market share doesn't count, somehow, where as ABK supposedly makes Microsoft a monopoly, somehow.
If Sony could afford to drop $76B on Bethesda+ABK, you bet your ass they'd do it in a heartbeat. ESPECIALLY ABK, considering their pleads to the Brazilian government that this very topic is about, and how much they stress that CoD is extremely important for their revenue and "can never be rivaled." People like you are just mad, after years of telling Microsoft to compete, that they're finally fully on board and actually competing and not playing by the rules that the market leader, who is known for pushing their weight around, is making. Who gives a shit if it's in the 1st gen or 4th? That's just you and your ilk making self-made excuses.
There is a reason why every other publisher in the OP, whom most are actual rivals to ABK, are saying there is nothing wrong with the deal and that it's not anti-competitive....except Sony. Let that sink in. Well, except, you won't. Tough luck.
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GhostOfTsu
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Wipeout came out in 1995. TWO YEARS after Sony acquired them and it was never as big as COD or anything else. It was also multiplatforms. Psygnosis is irrelevant with any of your arguments.
They didn't buy Psygnosis to block or control any other platform.
Destruction Derby also came out in 1995 and the series was multiplatforms. They didn't buy the IP after it came out.
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John Wick
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Tell me what it is you and multiple people have refuted?Talk about MS sales? Why are you vomiting your insecurities about MS sales my way? Why would MS sales matter when they actively promote Game Pass, PC gaming, and mobile game streaming via xCloud? Don't lump me into your pathetic low-tier last gen fanboy arguments.
Are you of all people really asking me if Kaz was a "liar?" Anyone can search for your name with the keyword "Phil" and see tons of posts from 2016 up until recently calling Phil Spencer a liar, heavily insinuating he is a liar, saying he is is a greasy politician, a corporate suit, etc. And you have the testicular fortitude to ask if Kaz is a liar?
How are you mocking me by doing the very thing you've always done? Anybody can go back months and see you're full of shit. And what are you talking about? You've been refuted by multiple people on this very page.
You're not even trying.
John Wick
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No you do. Give us the breakdown of Psygnosis's market share worldwide in the console space back when Sony released PS1?
Wow that's amazing how you worked out a company new to the console space would have to buy pubs and devs. But some of you are comparing that to MS buying AB.
Sony have got every right to block this deal. If it was the other way round MS would be doing even more. They've shown to do this when they compete with the big boys like Apple and Google etc. They have history of anti competitive behaviour that's why they were nearly broke up.
Mr Reasonable
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I don't understand why you quoted me?
cireza
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Nintendo and SEGA weren't selling TVs, VHD players, portable CD players to every single family out there. We're you even born back then ?
Have you seen them aggressively investing gen 1 ?
How can you possibly doubt this ?
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justiceiro
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Sounds like a ex-boyfriend claiming he can't live without the girlfriend.
John Wick
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You haven't refuted one thing yet but then shift to something else. So according to your logic Sony should have also been outselling the Ipod and IPhone as Sony is a electronics company.Nintendo and SEGA weren't selling TVs, VHD players, portable CD players to every single family out there. We're you even born back then ?
Have you seen them aggressively investing gen 1 ?
How can you possibly doubt this ?
PS1 was successful because it was a stunning product marketed right. Just like the Ipod and IPhone.
Also no one stopped MS from spending. It was their choice.
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Snake29
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Like i said, they are showing their weakness. All they do is finger pointing at Sony and continue playing the victim in the game industry.
This, xbox fanboys act like MS just entered the game industry 1,5 years ago with the Series consoles or something. They had already plenty of studios. It just shows how incomptent they are compared to PS, which always had a better output with what they had. And this in this current gen, some xbox studios are struggling in game dev, but yes….let MS acquire everything……
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Psygnosis is extremely relevant, whether you lie to yourself or not. They're relevant because it presents a massive hole in the arguments of unpaid shills, like earlier when I was told it doesn't matter if Sony is much, much more aggressive with moneyhats because MS did it too and the fact that they did it at all is all that needs to be said. Yet when Psygnosis is mentioned, it's either crickets or backpedalling combined with mental gymnastics about how it's different and doesn't count.
Even Colin Moriarity name-checked Psygnosis, lmao. Of all people.
Also, your arguments are fucking terrible:
- CoD is also multiplatform
- Microsoft didn't buy ABK to block or control any platform, they did it to bolster Xbox Game Pass. It's even in the legal writing, and there is a reason Sony is keeps mentioning XGP. Who's the one lying and making shit up now?
New to the console space? Sony just bought a publisher, Bungie. The deal JUST closed extremely recently. They've been buying up studios left and right. Seems like you're just making more and more excuses.
Psygnosis gets proven to have had a bigger marketshare WW (albeit due to how long ago it was and the time it was in): "tHaT dOeSnT count, iT WaS 30 YeArS aGo" "AbK makes So MuCh MoRe MoNeY" etc, these arguments have been repeated ad neaseum. Youre just gonna move the goalposts like has been proven time and time again. Stop being mad MS is competing like you always asked for. It's not our fault Sony can't afford shit on the same level as the big dogs in the industry, because again, they'd do the same thing you're crying about if they actually could.
Also, Sony has zero chance on blocking this deal, lmfao. Especially considering what they've been doing in this industry for generations, and especially if you look at what MS retorted back in response. The Brazilian government simply asked everyone their opinion.
You keep mentioning Apple and Google like you know what you're talking about. Do you have any idea what you're talking about regarding them? You're so desperate to MicrosoftToo this shit that you're embarrassing yourself. At least Microsoft never embarrassed themselves the way Sony did with these statements in the media, haha. Even Sony fansites are calling Sony "shook"
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...ivision-buyout-says-call-of-duty-has-no-rival
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GhostOfTsu
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For what games tho? Lemmings? There was only 1 lemming game on PS in 1998 and then on Nintendo gameboy.
They didn't gain any power over other platforms with that purchase so I'm not sure why you keep repeating Psygnosis without mentioning any game. Wipeout, Destruction Derby and Lemmings are all irrelevant with your arguments as I said.
Psygnosis actually grew in market share under Sony.
Yes it grew to 40% in Europe THREE YEARS AFTER SONY PURCHASED THEM. Stop repeating the same BS.
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cireza
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This makes absolutely no sense and isn't what I was saying. Try again after actually understanding the post you are answering to.
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