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[DForce]

Doesn't seem like you're laughing, you seem genuinely concerned by it. Try not to let what you imagine others to want affect you so much.

Dude, move on. It's just a simple statement and you guys got triggered by it. If you're not the Xbox gamer who wanted MS to acquire every single publisher then I'm not talking about you.

 

[Darlingcognito]

After 25 years or so of Playstations tactics it's nice to see them in full shit their pants mode for a change.

 

[Topher]

I think the deal will hurt the industry but only because Sony is too small to compete with Microsoft and frankly never stood a chance. they are a small player that should probably spin off their gaming division and sell to Apple because right now they can’t compete with Microsoft. If Ms can’t buy big publishers they will go for smaller pubs like square enix, Ubisoft, and capcom. All are under $10 billion.

What happens then? Instead of losing one game, Sony loses 15. All resident evil games, street fighter, final fantasy, ass creed, far cry, and whatever trash Ubisoft is making. That isn’t good for PlayStation gamers either.

I don’t like the deal because i hate Microsofts approach to gaming but i just don’t see how it gets blocked in a capitalist system. Its a free market. They have the money, they should be able to buy it. If apple enters and buys Activision they would be allowed to. For that reason, so should Microsoft.

Lastly, Sony has no one but themselves to blame. They spent millions over the last ten years moneyhattimg third party exclusives, cod dlc, modern warfare reboot exclusivity, fucking guns in destiny. Why is final fantasy even exclusive? Its a third party game available on PC. Why block Xbox? Its chicken coming home to roost for Sony and i for one wont shed a tear for a company that paid to keep content off of another console. I love Sony when they give small studios like housemarque a big budget to go to the next level but deathloop and ghostwrite tokyo were made by a massive publisher that was eventually sold for $8 billion. They didn’t need the money.

I agree that The deal will probably hurt the industry but thats because Microsoft sucks making video games. A future where ms is the only big player alive will probably suck. They make all the wrong choices but it’s not like Sony wasn’t following them with cross gen, GaaS, cloud and subscription trends. Doesnt matter If is Microsoft or Sony or Apple or nvidia running the show, the good old days of video games pushing boundaries instead of mtx are long gone.

 

[adamsapple]

Even if some people did want that, who gives a shit? It's not going to happen. And even if it did, it still wouldn't be a true Monopoly. So rest easy.

Unless the Activision purchase suddenly shifts Xbox as the market leader, which it won't, there's absolutely no chance of this turning into a monopoly.

First they have to get through this acquisition, and if this one gets approved by all relevant regulatory bodies, they sure as shit won't let another similar level acquisition go through aaaaaany time soon.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Dude, move on. It's just a simple statement and you guys got triggered by it. If you're not the Xbox gamer who wanted MS to acquire every single publisher then I'm not talking about you.

It wasn't so much being triggered as trying to understand why someone would post something so wrong. But I get it now, it was an epic troll. Nice one dude.

 

[ReBurn]

I do because that was an acquisition requirement from Bungie. Also, this was stated by Bungie:

Bungie.net

www.bungie.net

Notice this

any immediate impact

There Is no reason to believe that Sony does not ultimately control what Bungie does. You don't pay that much for something and not have the final say in it, no matter what the PR says.

 

[The_Mike]

Petty indeed.

True colors coming out?

This is too stupid to be true.

I simply refuse that this is legit.

Who the hell does Sony think they are too state these ultimatums?

I'm surprised they didn't have the ultimatums that cod has to come first to PS5, have exclusive content and come day one on psplus.

Desperate over they can't money hat shit in cod from now on.

This is the most pitty and embarrassing thing I've ever seen so far. I hope it won't get more pathetic than this.

 

[Iced Arcade]

question if anyone actually knows anything.... what if one of regluating bodies denies an acquisition? say everyone but the UK approves?

 

[IFireflyl]

They don't specify platforms in that though, and Bungie is now moving into the mobile gaming territory with their next game being a NetEase mobile game.

For all we know, simultaneous PC/Mobile/PS5 constitutes as 'Multi platform' in their statements.

I generally think you've got a good head on your shoulders, but I have to wonder if you have some kind of bias here. Again, this is the quote:

Q. Bungie has future games in development, will they now become PlayStation exclusives?
No. We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games. We will continue to be self-published, creatively independent, and we will continue to drive one, unified Bungie community.

The key phrase that Bungie used was, "We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games." That wasn't vague. They said they want the worlds to be accessible from wherever people want to play, which includes Xbox. Additionally, you're completely ignoring the last sentence where they confirm they are still self-published and creatively independent. Feel free to disagree, but you're ignoring Bungie's statements on the matter as well as Bungie's history as a studio.

Notice this

any immediate impact

There Is no reason to believe that Sony does not ultimately control what Bungie does. You don't pay that much for something and not have the final say in it, no matter what the PR says.

See everything else I have said on the matter, including the above section of this post. Don't pick and chose statements like you did to fit your narrative.

 

[adamsapple]

I generally think you've got a good head on your shoulders, but I have to wonder if you have some kind of bias here. Again, this is the quote:



The key phrase that Bungie used was, "We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games." That wasn't vague. They said they want the worlds to be accessible from wherever people want to play, which includes Xbox. Additionally, you're completely ignoring the last sentence where they confirm they are still self-published and creatively independent. Feel free to disagree, but you're ignoring Bungie's statements on the matter as well as Bungie's history as a studio.

Well, in either case their next game is a NetEase game so whatever their first real game published under Sony's label is, we're not gonna see it for a couple of years at the earliest.

question if anyone actually knows anything.... what if one of regluating bodies denies an acquisition? say everyone but the UK approves?

It can either go to the courts, or MS and CMA can come to an amicable agreement in regards to some concessions to approve it.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Petty indeed.

True colors coming out?

that can't be legit?

I'd out petty them and say "yeah sure you can have all that with Call Of Duty" then spin off the series with a new title solely "modern warfare" & "black ops"

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

question if anyone actually knows anything.... what if one of regluating bodies denies an acquisition? say everyone but the UK approves?

There probably becomes some sort of deal, e.g. COD is multiplat there (if that's what comes down to). Similar to how MTX are handled differently in the same game in different countries.

 

[ReBurn]

See everything else I have said on the matter, including the above section of this post. Don't pick and chose statements like you did to fit your narrative.

I don't have a narrative. I just happen to believe that you're naive to think that Sony paid Bungie $4 billion and has no say in what they do because the PR said so. Sony has a purpose for Bungie and Bungie has freedom inasmuch as they're serving that purpose. Like some past acquisitions, if Bungie doesn't do what they are meant to do Sony will shut them down and absorb the pieces that are valuable to them.

 

[IFireflyl]

I don't have a narrative. I just happen to believe that you're naive to think that Sony paid Bungie $4 billion and has no say in what they do because the PR said so. Sony has a purpose for Bungie and Bungie has freedom inasmuch as they're serving that purpose. Like some past acquisitions, if Bungie doesn't do what they are meant to do Sony will shut them down and absorb the pieces that are valuable to them.

Sony has already stated that they plan to have more than 50% of games as live-service games by 2025. As I already stated (and what you ignored in my previous post), the Bungie acquisition was made due to Bungie's exceptional knowledge regarding live-service games. Sony wants that knowledge shared with its other development teams as that would drastically reduce R&D time and help propel Sony towards more live-service content at a substantially quicker pace. Additionally, Sony will still get their cut of micro-transactions from Bungie content regardless of the platform used. Sony benefits greatly without having to put Bungie under their thumb - not that Sony could have done that if they had wanted to since they had no leverage over Bungie.

This isn't opinion, by the way. Sony has already stated this information as well. They told people the reason they wanted Bungie, and it wasn't just for Destiny. It was for the technical expertise in the live-service arena.

Bungie may not be a sprawling entity like Activision Blizzard — which publishes everything from Overwatch and World of Warcraft to the Call of Duty mega-franchise — but it’s nonetheless poised to have a huge impact on Sony’s roadmap for near-future games.

At Sony, Bungie will remain a standalone game studio but its expertise will be woven into the company’s strategy for PlayStation Studios, the division of Sony Interactive Entertainment dedicated to making tentpole games that showcase the company’s technological prowess. Sony has big plans to leverage Bungie’s fine-tuned model for a whole slate of live service games — online multiplayer games that sell virtual goods and evolve over time, often charging players set monthly fees for access or special perks.

Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/15/sony-owns-bungie/

After buying Bungie earlier this year, Sony is moving fast to integrate the company’s expertise into its broader vision.

In an investor presentation Thursday, Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO Jim Ryan outlined a near future for the company that focuses heavily on continually updated online games inspired by Destiny, Bungie’s long-running hit.

Sony expects to spend 49% of its PlayStation Studios development budget on live service games by the end of the year. By 2025, Sony plans to bump that to 55%, up from just 12% in 2019. By the end of 2025, Sony projects that it will have 12 different live service games of its own, up from just one now.

Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/05/26/sony-live-service-bungie-destiny/

 

[ManaByte]

This is too stupid to be true.

I simply refuse that this is legit.

 

[IFireflyl]

To be fair, it is very likely that Sony meant that Microsoft could release expansions and such as console exclusives, not that a skin or something would be console-exclusive. It would be silly to assume that they were referring to a minor DLC item when virtually all platforms engage in that same practice. Although, I suppose it's possible that Jimbo just wasn't thinking and was being hypocritical. I don't know for certain (and neither does anyone else), but the way I read that makes more sense to me.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I still can't wrap my head around the argument that at the end of the 3 year parity agreement COD automatically must go exclusive. It could, I'm sure if by 2027 there are 100+ million active Gamepass subs, and there are only a few million players left on PlayStation MS might decide to pull the plug. But come on now, you know that isn't going to happen. At the end of the 3 years MS will take a look at the PlayStation revenue, and almost certainly sign another deal.

Companies in situations like this don't sign perpetual agreements outside of insane circumstances, and if that somehow is the cost of doing business it will be very narrowly worded. "The Product will release on Sony PlayStation home consoles with feature parity at the market rate. Microsoft Corporation reserves all rights for determining The Product's methods of release outside of retail sale." Blah blah blah.

Any future Sony PC launcher, nope.
PSVR, nope.
Sony services, nope.
Sony marketing, nope.
Better performance on future PS hardware, nope.

You'll get the game at exact parity on PlayStation consoles, at full market price if that's what it takes.


Edit - MS will do it in a heartbeat if that's the ultimatum. They bought the company for King Mobile, not any other individual franchise.

 

[Pelta88]

Bingo.

I believe MS' actual goal is to make COD a GP only game. If you want it on any platform, that platform has to support GP. These promises MS is giving to regulators is just PR smoke. Once they own ATVI... They own it. And can do whatever they please with it. The manouver will be to pivot heavily on PR about why GP is the only outlet and then turn to PS gamers and in effect say

"It's Playstation's fault that you don't have access to COD because Playstation wont support GP."

We know for certain that PS is about "protecting" their eco system first and foremost. COD being "Exclusive to GP" is really what this conversation is really about.

Quoting myself because GP on PS is really what this acquisition is really about. Microsoft claims "Sony has chosen to block Game Pass from Playstation."

They want in on PS user base and Playstation is rightfully protecting the audience they built over generations. When you separate all the console war BS that surrounds this acquisition...

What this boils down to is that Microsoft asked Sony if they can put GamePass on Playstation and Playstation was like

So now they're trying to force GP on PS by acquiring the biggest third party game and making that game exclusive to a service.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This is too stupid to be true.

I simply refuse that this is legit.

Who the hell does Sony think they are too state these ultimatums?

I'm surprised they didn't have the ultimatums that cod has to come first to PS5, have exclusive content and come day one on psplus.

Desperate over they can't money hat shit in cod from now on.

This is the most pitty and embarrassing thing I've ever seen so far. I hope it won't get more pathetic than this.

that can't be legit?

I'd out petty them and say "yeah sure you can have all that with Call Of Duty" then spin off the series with a new title solely "modern warfare" & "black ops"

Sony - They can't possibly give Xbox any benefits

Also Sony- Preorder from us for an exclusive skin

 

[DarkMage619]

What's great for the industry is keeping the game multiplat, not taking a game from a user base over 100 million.

Then you'll be happy to know that MS has said repeatedly that CoD wasn't being taken off of PlayStation. They'll honor contracts and offer additional time afterwards. Doesn't change the fact that some movement is needed currently because no console maker should be raising prices on customers. Competition is good for the industry.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

When this deal finally goes through, MS trying to buy another multi-billion dollar company will be very, very interesting.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

When this deal finally goes through, MS trying to buy another multi-billion dollar company will be very, very interesting.

I reckon it would be a matter of saying ‘look the sky didn’t fall after ActiBlizz and Jim Ryan isn’t in the soup line’ Assuming that is the case! These acquisitions aren’t as bad as they’re being made out by some and life will go on with further acquisitions by all parties, new developers emerging, being cultivated and so on and so forth.

 

[twilo99]

question if anyone actually knows anything.... what if one of regluating bodies denies an acquisition? say everyone but the UK approves?

I'd just cut them off..

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I reckon it would be a matter of saying ‘look the sky didn’t fall after ActiBlizz and Jim Ryan isn’t in the soup line’ Assuming that is the case! These acquisitions aren’t as bad as they’re being made out by some and life will go on with further acquisitions by all parties, new developers emerging, being cultivated and so on and so forth.

I doubt there will be another acquisition as big as ABK for at least a decade, mostly because there aren't many (any?) publishers that big. MS has made it clear they're not done yet.

 

[SlimySnake]

Quoting myself because GP on PS is really what this acquisition is really about. Microsoft claims "Sony has chosen to block Game Pass from Playstation."

They want in on PS user base and Playstation is rightfully protecting the audience they built over generations. When you separate all the console war BS that surrounds this acquisition...

What this boils down to is that Microsoft asked Sony if they can put GamePass on Playstation and Playstation was like


So now they're trying to force GP on PS by acquiring the biggest third party game and making that game exclusive to a service.

It was always about putting Gamepass on PS or taking PS out of the equation entirely. You dont spend $75 billion to get ONE game when you couldve spent $5 billion for Capcom and Square Enix each. $8 billion for Ubisoft gets them dozens of franchises and unlike Activision that makes just one game every year, you get half a dozen AAA games from Ubisoft every couple of years. So if this was about getting more gamepass day one content, they couldve spent $20 billion on those three publishers but they wanted to go for the kill.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

question if anyone actually knows anything.... what if one of regluating bodies denies an acquisition? say everyone but the UK approves?

I would figure if anyone other than the US regulators raise a stink that can't be resolved the deal will go through, and the individual country will be cut off from ABK content. Then MS will dare that country to cancel its contracts for other MS products and services. "I suppose you can go to Apple to provide support for, I don't know, your entire government beurocracy's IT needs if you really have that much of a problem."

 

[nikolino840]

When this deal finally goes through, MS trying to buy another multi-billion dollar company will be very, very interesting.

If someone sell someone buy...seems like all boomers where i live "the chinese buy all the bars/shops of the italian owners is not fair!" Well they sell and someone buy

 

[DForce]

Then you'll be happy to know that MS has said repeatedly that CoD wasn't being taken off of PlayStation. They'll honor contracts and offer additional time afterwards. Doesn't change the fact that some movement is needed currently because no console maker should be raising prices on customers. Competition is good for the industry.

I don't know why you guys keep pretending like they didn't offer a few years after the contract was up.

You guys have a hard time being honest with yourselves.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I don't know why you guys keep pretending like they didn't offer a few years after the contract was up.

You guys have a hard time being honest with yourselves.

Then you'll be happy to know that MS has said repeatedly that CoD wasn't being taken off of PlayStation. They'll honor contracts and offer additional time afterwards. Doesn't change the fact that some movement is needed currently because no console maker should be raising prices on customers. Competition is good for the industry.

 

[3liteDragon]

The acquisition helps other Sony-owned developers/studios by sharing Bungie's understanding of live-service content with them. And Sony will still make money off of micro-transactions. Sony didn't need to put Bungie under their thumb, and they couldn't have done that if they had tried. Bungie didn't need Sony, and they wouldn't have taken the deal if Sony had tried to act like Microsoft did back in the early 2000s.

You seriously need to lay off the crackpipe, we've been through this too many times. They own 100% of Bungie’s shares, they’re a wholly owned subsidiary of SIE now. They’re creatively independent because Jimbo let them, just like Phil did with Bethesda, which is also a wholly owned subsidiary of Xbox Game Studios.

Xbox Team Indicates Bethesda Will Retain Creative Control

Head of Xbox Phil Spencer suggests that Bethesda will retain quite a bit of say regarding the future of their operations.

www.denofgeek.com

In a statement to CNET, Xbox’s Phil Spencer noted that Microsoft currently plans for Bethesda to operate semi-independently despite the fact that they were one of the ZeniMax Media studios acquired in a recent deal. “It is about the culture of those teams,” said Spencer of Bethesda. “They’re not about becoming us.”

While Spencer does not elaborate on how, exactly, Microsoft and the Xbox team will treat Bethesda in regards to official requests and other procedural matters, everything that we’ve heard so far seems to indicate that the plan is for Bethesda to pretty much function as they would have prior to this acquisition. Representatives from Bethesda have also previously indicated that they intend to still make the “same games” and still publish those same projects.

Because they fully own Bethesda Softworks, they also have the final say on where they can publish their upcoming games as well (even if Bethesda's the one publishing the game itself, which is the case with Starfield), which is why Starfield's not coming to PlayStation & is coming to Game Pass day one. Other than that they're letting them operate independently, matters concerning where future games will be published by Bethesda looks to be the only time they'll intervene cause they have the rights to as the parent company. EXACT same case with Sony & Bungie.

That's as clear as they can make it. Bungie had all of the strength in this negotiation.

Lol no they didn't, watch the video below. No company's stupid enough to sign a written agreement with the company they're about to fully acquire control of, saying that they'll let them operate independently. Sony's not dumb to put that in writing, Bungie making it sound like they still have a say in whether or not they'll remain creatively independent in their press releases don't mean anything since they agreed to sell all of their shares to Sony, that's for Jimbo to decide.

 

[DForce]

Then you'll be happy to know that MS has said repeatedly that CoD wasn't being taken off of PlayStation. They'll honor contracts and offer additional time afterwards. Doesn't change the fact that some movement is needed currently because no console maker should be raising prices on customers. Competition is good for the industry.

I don't know why you guys keep pretending like they didn't offer a few years after the contract was up.

You guys have a hard time being honest with yourselves.

1. He said they're not taking Call of Duty off PlayStation.
2. This contradicts what was reported when they only offered a few years.
3. He said they will offer additional time. Unless he was completely contradicting himself in the same sentence, he believes they'll still offer additional time and not take the game off PlayStation.

Really not that hard to understand.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

If this is true Sony looks very pathetic at this point.

No matter what they do Xbox will own COD and they just have to get over it and provide more value to keep and grow their player numbers.

Call of Duty isn’t the only reason people buy and play on consoles, I don’t get why they are acting like it is.

 

[HoofHearted]

For fuck sake - does anyone here really even play this damn game anymore???

 

[3liteDragon]

that can't be legit?

I'd out petty them and say "yeah sure you can have all that with Call Of Duty" then spin off the series with a new title solely "modern warfare" & "black ops"

Won't work since both of them have been separately trademarked by Activision Publishing.

CALL OF DUTY BLACK OPS Trademark of Activision Publishing, Inc. - Registration Number 4029838 - Serial Number 85123348 :: Justia Trademarks

Computer game software; computer game software and related instruction manual sold together as a unit; interactive video game programs; computer game cartridges; computer game discs; downloadable computer game software; video game controllers; interactive video game comprised of a cartridge or...

trademarks.justia.com

MODERN WARFARE Trademark of Activision Publishing, Inc. - Registration Number 3403754 - Serial Number 77045016 :: Justia Trademarks

[ Computer game software and related instruction manuals sold together as a unit; ] computer game software; [ computer game cartridges; ] computer game discs; interactive multimedia computer game programs; downloadable software for use in connection with computer games

trademarks.justia.com

 

[Iced Arcade]

Won't work since both of them have been separately trademarked by Activision Publishing.

CALL OF DUTY BLACK OPS Trademark of Activision Publishing, Inc. - Registration Number 4029838 - Serial Number 85123348 :: Justia Trademarks

Computer game software; computer game software and related instruction manual sold together as a unit; interactive video game programs; computer game cartridges; computer game discs; downloadable computer game software; video game controllers; interactive video game comprised of a cartridge or...

trademarks.justia.com

MODERN WARFARE Trademark of Activision Publishing, Inc. - Registration Number 3403754 - Serial Number 77045016 :: Justia Trademarks

[ Computer game software and related instruction manuals sold together as a unit; ] computer game software; [ computer game cartridges; ] computer game discs; interactive multimedia computer game programs; downloadable software for use in connection with computer games

trademarks.justia.com

K "modern ops" lol

 

[Corndog]

This is too stupid to be true.

I simply refuse that this is legit.

Who the hell does Sony think they are too state these ultimatums?

I'm surprised they didn't have the ultimatums that cod has to come first to PS5, have exclusive content and come day one on psplus.

Desperate over they can't money hat shit in cod from now on.

This is the most pitty and embarrassing thing I've ever seen so far. I hope it won't get more pathetic than this.

Just tell them sure. But it will cost you some green. 70 billion to be exact.

 

[3liteDragon]

K "modern ops" lol

lmao also trademarked

Modern Ops Trademark of Edkon Games GmbH. Application Number: 017925255 :: Trademark Elite Trademarks

Modern Ops is a trademark and brand of Edkon Games GmbH, Berlin 107, GERMANY. This trademark was filed to EUIPO on Thursday, June 28, 2018. The Modern Ops is under the trademark classification: Education and Entertainment Services; Computer Product, Electrical & Scientific Products; The Modern...

www.trademarkelite.com

 

[sainraja]

To be fair, it is very likely that Sony meant that Microsoft could release expansions and such as console exclusives, not that a skin or something would be console-exclusive. It would be silly to assume that they were referring to a minor DLC item when virtually all platforms engage in that same practice. Although, I suppose it's possible that Jimbo just wasn't thinking and was being hypocritical. I don't know for certain (and neither does anyone else), but the way I read that makes more sense to me.

I mean, it should surprise no one here why Sony is saying those things (hypocritical or not). They have an interest in the COD franchise and this move by Microsoft impacts it. They are just not making it easy, if anything.

If the situation was reversed, MS would be doing the same thing (maybe not over the same game). It's funny to see people here act like little children by pointing out statements made by either company and saying: "How dare they" lol.

They both are businesses. Something everyone here does forget.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

this is true Sony looks very pathetic at this point.

No matter what they do Xbox will own COD and they just have to get over it and provide more value to keep and grow their player numbers.

Call of Duty isn’t the only reason people buy and play on consoles, I don’t get why they are acting like it is.

If you think about....This ain't a big deal. Is not like Sony is asking for the entire catalog of Acti-Blizz, Sony ain't asking for Bethesda's games either...not even touching CoD Mobile.

 

[sainraja]

Quoting myself because GP on PS is really what this acquisition is really about. Microsoft claims "Sony has chosen to block Game Pass from Playstation."

They want in on PS user base and Playstation is rightfully protecting the audience they built over generations. When you separate all the console war BS that surrounds this acquisition...

What this boils down to is that Microsoft asked Sony if they can put GamePass on Playstation and Playstation was like

So now they're trying to force GP on PS by acquiring the biggest third party game and making that game exclusive to a service.

If that was their only goal, they could have done it in a much easier way by announcing they are going to start publishing games on all platforms like a third-party publisher (they don't even have to stop making consoles, they could still have their own ecosystem while publishing games where/how they want). Game Pass could be put on PlayStation in that scenario. Sony hasn't denied EA Play and/or Ubisoft+ to be on PlayStation have they?

So, I dunno, I don't think they did this simply because Sony said no to Game Pass. I can see your point as well but I have my doubts.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

If you think about....This ain't a big deal. Is not like Sony is asking for the entire catalog of Acti-Blizz, Sony ain't asking for Bethesda's games either...not even touching CoD Mobile.

It doesn’t matter, Xbox brought these companies. How can you tell someone what to do with the thing they purchased with their own money? Lol

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

It doesn’t matter, Xbox brought these companies. How can you tell someone what to do with thing they purchased with their own money? Lol

Xbox didn't bought these companies with their own money. They used daddy's MS money.

Second.

Have you seen or been aware of the Brazilian papers?

One of their observation was about how CoD being exclusive means a significant blow to PlayStation's revenue.

For MS, this deal is beyond just one IP or even beyond just being the "Messiah" of gaming. To have a condition regarding just one IP.....aint a big deal.

 

[Fredrik]

This is such a clown show.

MS better spend their time figuring out what else to buy instead because this deal isn’t going to go through.

And it’s a bs deal anyway for MS if they can’t do what they want even after the Sony contracts has ended in who knows how many years. 70 billion for what? CoD on Gamepass?

Just pull out. Let Activision Blizzard ruin their IPs on their own. Acquire Asobo instead and secure a future for MS Flight Sim.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

1. He said they're not taking Call of Duty off PlayStation.

Did you honestly think MS would start with a perpetuity agreement?

2. This contradicts what was reported when they only offered a few years.

Do you think games like Minecraft have perpetual agreements with Sony?

3. He said they will offer additional time. Unless he was completely contradicting himself in the same sentence, he believes they'll still offer additional time and not take the game off PlayStation.

Brochacho do you think in 2027 when the 3 year extension is done MS will be in a position where it will make financial sense for them to make COD exclusive?

Really not that hard to understand.

No it really isn't. PlayStation gamers will be able to pay $70 for COD for years to come.

 

[yurinka]

Well, in either case their next game is a NetEase game so whatever their first real game published under Sony's label is, we're not gonna see it for a couple of years at the earliest.

Bungie said that they plan to release AT LEAST one new IP by 2025.

And this isn't the mobile Destiny game they are making with NetEase. And this Destiny mobile game, like their console new IPs, will be Sony games because Sony owns 100% of Bungie.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

It's funny to see Sony being hypocritical about exclusive content concerns, lol.
But it is also funny to see some people act like if Microsoft has never done that, it's like they have selective memory.

 

[The_Mike]

If you think about....This ain't a big deal. Is not like Sony is asking for the entire catalog of Acti-Blizz, Sony ain't asking for Bethesda's games either...not even touching CoD Mobile.

Bethesdas games didn't have an annual revenue of 400 million every year.

This is such a out of reality check view.

If it wasn't a big deal then Sony wouldn't sink this low and crawl over the floor being pathetic by the deal.

Xbox didn't bought these companies with their own money. They used daddy's MS money.

Xbox is literally Microsoft. Its not a sister company. It is Microsoft.

Also, what does it have to do with where the money comes from? Does it make you sleep better at night knowing where the money from the acquision?

What a weird take.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Bethesdas games didn't have an annual revenue of 400 million every year.

This is such a out of reality check view.

The reality check are the Brazilian papers.

If it wasn't a big deal then Sony wouldn't sink this low and crawl over the floor being pathetic by the deal.

And MS wouldn't be doing propaganda about how "benevolent" they are because of this acquisition.

Xbox is literally Microsoft. Its not a sister company. It is Microsoft.

Is not.

Also, what does it have to do with where the money comes from? Does it make you sleep better at night knowing where the money from the acquision?

Lack of self-aware much?

We are in NeoGaf. A videogame forum where topics such and NPD's, reviews, performance, acquisitions (just to name a few) are discussed.

 

[DForce]

Did you honestly think MS would start with a perpetuity agreement?

They extended it for a few years after the initial deal. All they have to do is release games on PlayStation. The fact that they said years instead of just releasing games just proves my point.

You guys go through these mental gymnastics instead of stating the obvious.

Do you think games like Minecraft have perpetual agreements with Sony?

Minecraft is an old game that was released years ago.

If Sony decided to make Destiny 3 exclusive, they wouldn't magically stop people from playing Destiny 2 on Xbox.

Don't even know why you would even consider bringing this up.

Brochacho do you think in 2027 when the 3 year extension is done MS will be in a position where it will make financial sense for them to make COD exclusive?

All they have to do is say, "We'll just release COD games on PS" without having to come to an agreement.

It's that simple.

Again, admit the obvious.

No it really isn't. PlayStation gamers will be able to pay $70 for COD for years to come.

It is for you.

Xbox fans on have a habit of just not admitting what's directly right in front of them.

Sony made it easy by just saying all future Destiny games will appear on other platforms.

That was clear. It was direct. They didn't say anything about having to negotiate a deal with every single title.

Reading and understanding the context in which MS spoke shouldn't be that hard.

 

[Ozriel]

I generally think you've got a good head on your shoulders, but I have to wonder if you have some kind of bias here. Again, this is the quote:



The key phrase that Bungie used was, "We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games." That wasn't vague. They said they want the worlds to be accessible from wherever people want to play, which includes Xbox. Additionally, you're completely ignoring the last sentence where they confirm they are still self-published and creatively independent. Feel free to disagree, but you're ignoring Bungie's statements on the matter as well as Bungie's history as a studio.



See everything else I have said on the matter, including the above section of this post. Don't pick and chose statements like you did to fit your narrative.

And at the exact same time, the Sony CEO said:

“We believe it will be a catalyst to enhance our live game services capabilities,” he said. “Our acquisition of Bungie also represents a major step forward in becoming more multiplatform.”

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...-step-forward-in-becoming-more-multiplatform/

Unless you believe Sony plans to bring their games to Xbox, it’s clear that Sony’s definition of ‘multiplatform’ most likely does not include xbox.

I’m not saying Bungie doesn’t intend to be multiplatform or to keep putting games on Xbox, but don’t hang on to that pledge like it’s gospel. There’s also nothing legally binding Bungie from going full exclusive.