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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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Mr Moose

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Yep. It's an agreement that in no way goes against what Microsoft always wanted. Microsoft keeping its games off Geforce Now was always strategic. They don't care to JUST have Xbox titles streamed on Xbox specific platforms or services. They want Xbox games played everywhere with Xbox destinations just being one of many popular destinations.

I'll tell you this much. It looks very bad when Nintendo accepts a 10 year deal and Nvidia accepts a 10 year deal, but Sony keeps saying no. Sony is being effectively isolated and made to look like what's really going on is they don't want to share a piece of the COD pie that is so advantageous to Playstation, according to Sony's own words. The most competitive and consumer friendly decision then is that everybody should get Call of Duty.
Yeah Nvidia doesn't sell the games, MS/Epic/Steam are the seller, they just sell a sub to their own streaming thing for games you already own, MS has lost nothing with this really.
Nothing has really changed other than Nvidia now being OK with it, the Nintendo crap was already announced months ago.
 
What happens when everyone is winning, getting deals left and right and only Sony is the one refusing to play ball?

Can regulators still say its bad to go through if ms makes deals with every cloud company?
It's not just about existing cloud companies, but future ones too. The CMA had concerns that the merger would make it difficult/impossible for future companies to enter the space where companies like Google have already failed. The deal with Nvidia cements their positions (Xbox GP/xCloud & Geforce Now) but doesn't address the broader market concerns presented by the CMA.

And Sony refusing to play ball is a bet that any concessions coming out of the CMA/EU will be better than what MS has offered so far.
 
Now I might be wrong but the CMA mentioned that MS is already the biggest player in cloud gaming and aquiring ABK would just make this worse.

So to offer remedies MS will now offer Cloud Gaming to Nintendo (which will only increase their Cloud gaming business) and partnering with Nvidia to allow their games on the "competing" cloud gaming plattform. Which isn't really the same but I digress.

And they probably offered Somy something similar like Nintendo.

This would make them the defacto cloud gaming provider. How does this help their case regarding the CMA?

Sure these deals with Nintendo, Sony and Nvidia are legal and regulators can't do much about that. But this strategy is contrary to CMAs objections?

Am I wrong on this? Am I the stupid one?

No, you have a good point. At least, Microsoft would be the leading cloud content provider with ways working out this way, having COD, ABK games, XGS and Zenimax games all available from them to various cloud platforms.

I think the issue regulators have with that scenario is that MS bought their way into it; they didn't "earn" their way to that spot, instead they just would have purchased other massive content providers (some of whom did not make their stuff regularly available on cloud) and then provided that same content via the cloud. Whether it's through xCloud, or PS+ cloud, or Nintendo's cloud or GeForce NOW, the content provider in this case is still a company who purchased their way into the position as the majority of what's being offered are not games they helped create themselves (or created themselves).

In a sense, these deals don't actually address the CMA's concerns when it comes to the cloud. It's also interesting that they're only offered to companies Microsoft have not publicly mentioned as direct competitors. No such offers were made to Google before Stadia closed down. No such offers have been made to Amazon Luna. Probably because in both cases their cloud streaming is also tied to a subscription service model that Microsoft are actively competing with via Game Pass.

Yep. It's an agreement that in no way goes against what Microsoft always wanted. Microsoft keeping its games off Geforce Now was always strategic. They don't care to JUST have Xbox titles streamed on Xbox specific platforms or services. They want Xbox games played everywhere with Xbox destinations just being one of many popular destinations.

I'll tell you this much. It looks very bad when Nintendo accepts a 10 year deal and Nvidia accepts a 10 year deal, but Sony keeps saying no. Sony is being effectively isolated and made to look like what's really going on is they don't want to share a piece of the COD pie that is so advantageous to Playstation, according to Sony's own words. The most competitive and consumer friendly decision then is that everybody should get Call of Duty.

Microsoft only offered these deals to Nintendo & Nvidia because they don't consider them direct competitors to their combined Xbox/Game Pass/xCloud business models. You do notice they've made no such offers to Amazon, right? Or Google, when they could have done so prior to Stadia's closing (which happened during this acquisition process)?

Them offering a 10-year deal to Sony would obviously be rejected because that probably comes with Sony losing marketing rights (and I'm not saying they deserve marketing rights in that scenario; just showing why they would reject the offer). But MS offering PS+ availability does nothing and kind of defies a lot of Sony's own concerns about Day 1 games in a subscription service (also 3P publishers have shared similar concerns), because they rely on direct sales revenue for their gaming businesses.

Day 1 for an alternative model that basically acts as a competing model in conflict with their main means of generating gaming revenue, isnt' something a company like Sony is going to take. Nintendo might not even, though if they did, it'd only be because they have little revenue from COD to begin with, so what's it matter if they put COD in NSO or NSO+ Day 1? They know the COD audience isn't on their platform and would likely not gravitate to their platform even if such were done, if MS did the same with COD Day 1 in Game Pass.
 
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ManaByte

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Yeah Nvidia doesn't sell the games, MS/Epic/Steam are the seller, they just sell a sub to their own streaming thing for games you already own, MS has lost nothing with this really.
Nothing has really changed other than Nvidia now being OK with it, the Nintendo crap was already announced months ago.

The publisher has to approve their game being on GeForce Now. Which is why Sony pulled God of War from it when they found out people were streaming it on Xboxes.
 

GametimeUK

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Microsoft is hella supportive of Sony too. Their amazing Doom Eternal Next Gen update was free whilst Sony are out here charging their customers to update Uncharted 4. They aren't always as scummy as they're made out to be and maybe this deal going through will have huge benefits for everyone involved.
 
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ToTTenTranz

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I just don't understand what posturing like this does when regulators do their work behind closed doors and get privileged access to details we will never get.

Looks like they're trying to hurt Sony in the court of public opinion as much as they can.
And in the process of this 2 trillion company trying to show itself as weak, they're also passing as super incompetent. I hope they know what they're doing.

So what actually happened today? Did anything get released about the meeting with regulators or did Microsoft just try to run a giant smokescreen with a PR stunt?
Nvidia's vote was formally bought by Microsoft through a deal where all Xbox PC games get to release on GeForce Now.
 

ToadMan

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Lots of folks on here kept saying Nvidia was against the deal. Kept saying the evidence they were as resistant to this deal as Sony was was flimsy at best. Today's agreement is proof that I was correct.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...unce-expansive-new-gaming-deal-301752099.html





I'm sure you know better than Microsoft's highly experienced lawyer and President, Brad Smith. You seem upset that it appears a world in which the deal is a reality is closer and closer to looking quite likely.

Um. Nvidia were against the deal.

MS conceded and changed their position and now Nvidia are ok. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

But there’s only one negotiation that will have even a hope of swaying regulators.

MS have already offered up the biggest prize, and Sony aren’t interested.

But even then, regulators aren’t interested in the agreements corporations come to.

It’s irrelevant whether every corp in the market agrees. They’re trying to protect consumer rights from those corporations not just sign off because the corporations all agree.
 

Yoboman

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18:15 PM
The number one concern that people have expressed about this acquisition is that Call of Duty will be less available to people, what we have proved is the opposite will be true. And if this deal is approved, the game will be available to 150 million more players around the world.

18:17 PM
That was a Brad Smith quote, as he wraps-up his press conference. That was it.
To recap, Microsoft has signed a deal with Nvidia and Nintendo to bring Call of Duty to GeForce Now and Nintendo Switch consoles. It will also bring all Xbox games (that are on PC) to GeForce Now. Sony, however, remains opposed to the deal and will not sign the agreement.
How'd he get the 120 to 150 number? Is that subtracting PlayStation and adding in Switch and GeForce?

Sounds like a foreclosure strategy targeting Sony to me
 
None of these moves address regulator concerns completely. Also, if these moves made any difference why is Microsoft still courting Sony to accept a deal? Seems more like Microsoft made Sony the most significant player in this whole deal.

Not even just that; the Nintendo offer in particular is the exact same that was already offered at least two months ago. There's really nothing new there from what seems made available.

Would have been bigger if they went full third party with Nintendo. There’s still time though, depending on how desperate they get.

The question is how could MS go full 3P on Nintendo? They won't be able to bring all of their 1P games natively to future Switch devices, some games just may not scale down to that level. If their solution is to rely on a mix of native & cloud versions, does Nintendo get distribution of the cloud versions through NSO/NSO+ or does Microsoft retain those distribution rights in Game Pass?

Because if the latter, then you still have some of the same regulatory concerns of Microsoft being a dominant cloud provider (mainly through means of buying their way to the position, not earning it in the market by customers favoring their solution over competitors) going unaddressed.

Anyway I have to head out for now; this was already a lot to take in and I don't think Sony's response has happened yet (same for the other companies). This thread's probably going to be another 10 pages deep by the end of Wednesday.
 
How'd he get the 120 to 150 number? Is that subtracting PlayStation and adding in Switch and GeForce?

Sounds like a foreclosure strategy targeting Sony to me
It's currently 120, with deal approval they will ADD 150. This includes the 100+million switches sold LTD and the Geforce now subscribers. plus some mobile applications I'm sure.
 

DrFigs

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Take the deal, buy EA and mimic MS on their deals. The precedence is there if this goes through.
MS argues theey need to buy Activision/Blizzard/King to compete against Sony.
Sony argues they need EA to compete with Microsoft
Microsoft argues they need Take2 to compete with Sony
etc. pretty clear that only MS can win this type of fight though.
 

reksveks

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Re the Nvidia position for this deal.

The bloomberg/Reuters article stated that Nvidia had concerns but within the article they also said that they didn't opposed the deal.

The 3 companies against the deal iirc is from the call summary from the CMA, assumed one was Sony and there was two others.
 

Orbital2060

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Exactly. I believe it was Christopher Dring who referenced both Google and Nvidia when saying something to the effect of "it isn't just Sony" who had issues with this deal.
In the CADE inquiry, Sony were the only one opposing the deal. I dont know when Google changed their mind, but it was aftee the deal was greenlit by the CADE.

As far as Drings tweet, it sounded like defending Sony as he always does. Sony are not the only one wauw wauw - there are three of them! Out of what - over a dozen other parties not opposing the deal. And now Nvidia is out of that with todays announcement. So only Google (if thats what Dring was referring to) and Sony are left opposing the deal. In the CADE case Google had no issues with CoD being exclusive and referred to existing franchsies like Battlefield that can compete with CoD. Maybe after they shut Stadia down.
 
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reksveks

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Wait, it's windows store only? That's as good as useless then if it doesn't include steam purchases.

Think someone already mentioned it but the quote is

'Xbox PC games currently available in third party stores like Steam or Epic Games Store will also be able to be streamed through GeForce NOW'

Whether 'currently' is doing some work here, who knows. I hope not.
 
PS4 is 117M alone so it doesn't make much sense.
Not all people that own a PS4, play COD. I'm a good example of that. I give no fucks about COD at all, it's the madden of the FPS genre imo. I'm only paying attention to this deal because I would like to see blizzard games improve and get sequels worth a shit.
 

DrFigs

Member
This has to be one of the lamest last ditch efforts ever. Why would Sony even consider it unless it was a better deal than what anyone else is getting? They already have great deals in place.
It's just not a very good threat. MS has been saying forever that they will continue to support COD on playstation (though without specific time frames). so what exactly does sony gain from signing this deal? It seems like there's no benefit to them, unless MS has been lying to regulators about their intentions.
 

GHG

Gold Member
Jimbo’s legacy rides on this deal.


Sure Jan GIF


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Mr Moose

Member
Not all people that own a PS4, play COD. I'm a good example of that. I give no fucks about COD at all, it's the madden of the FPS genre imo. I'm only paying attention to this deal because I would like to see blizzard games improve and get sequels worth a shit.
So they aren't talking about total potential CoD players? Where the F did they get 150M from then :messenger_fearful:
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
They wouldn’t because Sony would agree to have Madden on Xbox anyway. Like MLB. Precedence for that already. Try another.

NFL =/= MLB. While Sony develops The Show, it's published by MLB Advanced Media. They technically own the game despite Sony making it, so they can put it wherever they want. EA publishes and owns Madden 100%. If Sony owned EA, then Sony would have to be the one to publish the game on Xbox, Switch, and PC.
 

bitbydeath

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The question is how could MS go full 3P on Nintendo? They won't be able to bring all of their 1P games natively to future Switch devices, some games just may not scale down to that level. If their solution is to rely on a mix of native & cloud versions, does Nintendo get distribution of the cloud versions through NSO/NSO+ or does Microsoft retain those distribution rights in Game Pass?

Because if the latter, then you still have some of the same regulatory concerns of Microsoft being a dominant cloud provider (mainly through means of buying their way to the position, not earning it in the market by customers favoring their solution over competitors) going unaddressed.

Anyway I have to head out for now; this was already a lot to take in and I don't think Sony's response has happened yet (same for the other companies). This thread's probably going to be another 10 pages deep by the end of Wednesday.
True, hopefully their next console will be closer to Series S, otherwise they’d have to go streaming only.
 
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