Mr.Phoenix
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Do you really think that's what this is about?
Ah well, I always wondered who buys into the stuff this man says. Guess I have an answer to that question.
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Ah well, I always wondered who buys into the stuff this man says. Guess I have an answer to that question.
Cheezewizz
Banned
Kid? There's a greater than 0% chance that I might be your father. Of course if that's actually the case however unlikely, I'm immediately signing my rights away.
And you dear sweet delusional child. I'm afraid it is you is doesn't know what "pulled" means.
StealthGoblin
Banned
COD being day and date on Gamepass is a big issue for Sony. That gives them a significant advantage in gaming subs (which they lead in) and cloud gaming (which they lead in).
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Hehe... ignorance is bliss huh?
Doom eternal, Ghostware Tokyo, deathloop... published by Bethesda in the last 3 years. Two of which were timed PS exclusives. And your straw here is that their biggest game since ES wasn't announced for the PS5? Were they announced for the Xbox? You do know that if just going by the recent trend, chances are it would have been another timed exclusive for PS right?
No need to move the posts.
Cheezewizz
Banned
That's fine. Of course you won't hear those cries from me.
At least you recognize how hypocritical it is to cry about one and not the other though, seeing as that goes both ways. So seeing as how much you're crying about Xbox's games... Surely there's evidence somewhere around here of you crying about Forspoken or FF16 being "pulled" from Xbox right?
Chukhopops
Member
It’s not exactly a secret that the ten-year contract for CoD is a consequence of regulators being worried about the « « « « monopoly » » » » and Sony crying like a bitch.
What this has to do with Bethesda remains to be seen though. The message from Day 1 was: some games will be exclusive. And they will be.
Cheezewizz
Banned
No straw needed, as I'm not making that kind of argument.
It's not moving the posts to say that because a game wasn't announced for a platform, there's no reason to believe that the platform is entitled to it.
If Starfield was announced to be on Playstation, then you'd have an argument... but it wasn't.... so you don't.
Neofire
Member
what about the other IPs MS gets to gobble up? Would it be "bad for business" if MS took those away(which I am 100% sure MS will make them exclusive)from the Playstation platforms?MS isn't spending 70 billion for CoD....
Mr.Phoenix
Member
I doubt ANYONE, any single person has said that the PS platform is entitled to it.
What they have said, however, is that if Bethesda wasn't owned by MS,it would have no doubt also been coming to the PS. And there is evidence to suggest it would have even come to the PS and PC first just going off recent trends pre-acquisition.
The point peope are making, and that you seem to be trying to conveniently ignore, is that the reason that game is not or definitely not coming to PS is that Bethesda is now owned by MS. And I don't even have a problem with that. If I were them I would have done the same thing.
The problem people have though is that you can't be going around talking about games for everyone and being all about for the gamers and whatnot... when simultaneously pulling shit like that.
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Cheezewizz
Banned
If you're referring to me, then let me clarify. I'm not claiming that Starfield wouldn't have been released had MS not bought them. I'm just saying that until a game is announced for a platform, that it shouldn't be expected to be. There's a reason why every publisher clearly states which platforms a game will be on when they announce it.
Ar¢tos
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I'm ever so sorry, but those games were never announced or even promised to release on Xbox, so it is impossible that they were pulled from it.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Which is the argument the CMA has made against the acquisition, if it fails it will likely be because of how they’ve acted with Bethesda.
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DenchDeckard
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Sony guys salty that they aren't going to get future games after a studio is purchased by the competition once again....
...we need more Jim Ryan talking about cats and dogs ....but he got a gagging order by Sony.
...we need more Jim Ryan talking about cats and dogs ....but he got a gagging order by Sony.
Neofire
Member
And the stipulations(like coming mindcraft on all platforms)they had with Mojang played no part in that huh? It was all Phil.....
Riky
$MSFT
Bethesda is first party, Microsoft is paying the development costs in full, just like Guerilla was multiplatform before they were purchased. First party means they do as they please and anything not announced for another platform is just that.
Paying third parties to not let Xbox owners play maybe indefinitely is a real cheap move.
Paying third parties to not let Xbox owners play maybe indefinitely is a real cheap move.
Astray
Member
If they admit it then they have to admit that Phil Spencer and Jim Ryan are the same guy across different brands.
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Riky
$MSFT
They are first party, he calls the shots.And the stipulations(like coming mindcraft on all platforms)they had with Mojang played no part in that huh? It was all Phil.....
Drizzlehell
Banned
It must be pretty devastating to discover that the universe doesn't revolve around you.
Watch out because this revelation may blow you away - modern CoD is more popular than ever before.
Yoboman
Member
Honestly the most egotistical thing I've seen in gaming
The thriving Starfield community was fractured?
Bethesda? Phil never made the claim that all subsequent Bethesda games would be multiplatform.
Microsoft is offering legally binding contracts for this, enforceable by the EU.
Man says they aren’t planning exclusivity with COD. You’re here piping up that ES6 and Hellblade 2 should therefore be on PlayStation. How does that make sense?
‘Fully intend to flip the switch’? When there’s a legally binding contract on offer that says otherwise?
How does putting COD on Gamepass harm PlayStation players?
Cheezewizz
Banned
I think we might agree most of this then.
My stance is that whether or not Starfield would've ever came to PS is irrelevant because it was never announced to be. I'm not denying that it wouldn't have had MS not bought them. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter either way. I also think it doesn't matter whether or not Sony would've been able to moneyhat Starfield, but there's no evidence of that being the case that I'm aware of.
But let me be clear about this. I'm not "conveniently ignoring" anything. Nor is the "problem people are having" related to anyone talking about "being for the gamers and whatnot". The problem is that some people are upset that a game they expected to be on their console of choice turned out not to be. That's it. As a result, they're now crying foul because of it, when they should realize that they should've never had that expectation to begin with.
Well I know that. I'm just wondering why you don't.
TheGodfather07
Member
We know all this is to try and get approval from regulators. Nothing more. Just be quiet Phil. Nobody is believing your good guy "everybody plays" act. The fact that he's only talking about call of duty tells you everything. What about the other Activision ip Phil? This guy is so hypocritical it's absolutely pathetic. Its so see through aswell.
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Already done. They’ve released FO76 DLC and updates + Doom DLC post acquisition. None of Bethesda’s games on other consoles have been removed. Their recently announced big update to Elder Scrolls Online is also coming to PlayStation.
And not only have they kept Minecraft multiplatform, they’re bringing ALL spin-offs to other platforms and putting a Minecraft game on PS+.
Oh, you meant putting all upcoming single player Bethesda games on PlayStation? Why is that a pre-requisite to making COD - a GaaS shooter - multiplatform?
None of that was promised pre acquisition.
Cheezewizz
Banned
I've never seen this mentioned anywhere up until recently by a couple of people here. Go fetch a source for that claim and bring it back because I've never seen it.And the stipulations(like coming mindcraft on all platforms)they had with Mojang played no part in that huh? It was all Phil.....
Ulysses 31
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But this way you can have a competitor directly generate revenue for you.
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cornonthecrobb
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well this deal isn t going through. no matter what he promises his words mean nothing after what he did with bethesda.
it shouldnt go through at all.
it shouldnt go through at all.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Theres plenty of reasons why I got an Xbox.
Pre 2013 I was a hardcore pc master race player. While I've had ps 1 to ps3, and an Xbox 360 I once sold to get pc parts years ago, but playing with a controller never clicked for me.
When I moved into my own house in 2013, I wanted to game in my living room. I had a room dedicated to pc gaming, because it never occurred to me to have my pc in my living room for some odd reason.
I picked up an Xbox One because I like their exclusives. Gears of War, Halo, and especially Forza. I also like the eco system and the controller.
Under the big discussions about ps4 and Xbox one regards graphics being much better on a ps4, I once caved in and bought a PS4.
I bought the last of us remaster and that racing game (driveclub?) for it.
I did enjoy TLOU at first, but got dropped midway because I got bored with it.
The place I last can remember was I was in the sewers playing Ellie (?), and when you come to a house in the middle of nowhere where you either get raided by humans or zombies.
I didn't like driveclub either. I compared the game to Forza, which was what I also played at the time, and I didn't feel it at all. I remember that when the cars just got a little up in speed then just with the slightly turning your steering wheel to each side then the tires would just excessively scream like crazy. The graphics weren't as good as people hyped it to be.
Forza wasn't either, but the way Gaf sold the game then it sounded like it was a generation leap between that and forza.
Under covid we got a few games like the uncharted collection.
Tried to get into the first, but really felt it was slow paced and eventually abandoned if after the place where you have to climb a waterfall or something and a car you shoot at gets comically blown up.
I actually like that the news came out that xbox games would hit pc, as I've never been a controller player, and even though I use my xbox a few hours a day, I'm still not a controller player, and I probably never will be.
But I prefer the controller, it is without a doubt the best on the market.
Add to that, I prefer the eco system as well. I enjoy achievements.
Also, having game pass ultimate, I can play for a low cost on both my pc and Xbox, and there's several games where I can play on my pc and resume on my Xbox.
My girlfriend also have an Xbox, and it's also way cheaper as I buy everything digitally. That means that both of us can play the same game at the same time on both machines, with the price of one digital game.
Add to that we share game pass ultimate between our two pcs and Xbox machines makes it a really integrated part in our gaming hobby.
These are things playstation can't give me, so there's personally no reason for me to use one. I ended up only using my ps4 for fortnite, but after I got bored with it I tossed my xbox in there.
If I was interested in ps exclusives, then it would be a no brainer. But I don't.
I also have a switch but even though I like it and their exclusives, I always end up booting my pc and Xbox.
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Cheezewizz
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Well to be fair, they've done that before.
But Imagine having so much money that you can afford such things.
Everyone knows MS makes those statements with PC and XCloud in mind. Via streaming, lots of people can play their games on any modern browser.
Kerotan
Member
It's in their own interest to stay relevant. PlayStation would be MS biggest market for most gamesAlready done. They’ve released FO76 DLC and updates + Doom DLC post acquisition. None of Bethesda’s games on other consoles have been removed. Their recently announced big update to Elder Scrolls Online is also coming to PlayStation.
And not only have they kept Minecraft multiplatform, they’re bringing ALL spin-offs to other platforms and putting a Minecraft game on PS+.
Oh, you meant putting all upcoming single player Bethesda games on PlayStation? Why is that a pre-requisite to making COD - a GaaS shooter - multiplatform?
None of that was promised pre acquisition.
Eh, they’ll probably sell just as much on Steam. And there’s really not much danger of sliding into irrelevance for most of those franchises.
there’s reasons why exclusivity for some first party titles matters, not the least of which is helping to drive console sales.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I'm referring to anyone who says stuff like this.
It's already been stated by an employee from Bethesda they had no plans to make the game exclusive to Xbox. That's clear as day.
And to say it shouldn't be expected is rather dumb since we're talking about one of the best-selling platforms. People think they were really going to skip the Xbox platform.
The majority of their games are released on multiple platforms, but now people are questioning if the game was really going to be released on PlayStation.
Do you really think when this game was announced, people were saying, "Oh we shouldn't expect this game on next-gen consoles since it wasn't announced yet"?
anothertech
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Starfield
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Talking, always talking, is the ultimate legacy MS has given to gamers and gaming in general for the last 10 year. I mean, i had more fun with that fucking WiiU than a Xbox since the 360.
Anyway, the COD we know is dead without the PlayStation fan base. COD would cost to much and would have to be rebrand and highly scaled down. And Phil knows it. And Phil fears it.
Anyway, the COD we know is dead without the PlayStation fan base. COD would cost to much and would have to be rebrand and highly scaled down. And Phil knows it. And Phil fears it.
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
wtf?
TheGodfather07
Member
Exactly. Using that is just stupid. So any timed exclusivity sony do isn't taking anything away because there was no xbox version out? So fucking stupid. Of course we know there are xbox versions but they are delayed or even cancelled. Same for starfield. Which is fine! I just want Microsoft to be up front about and cut out the good guy bullshit.
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Thebonehead
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Oh I very much doubt you'll hear a cry about the loss of that from anyone, let alone from Xbox fans.
You can't tell me you're looking forward to the next Luminous Studios production.. Oh Wait.
Cheezewizz
Banned
Ok and??? Sony signed time exclusive deals for Ghostwire Tokyo and Deathloop. Do you think that Bethesda planned to delay those games on Xbox the entire time?
No. To expect any 3rd party game on any platform, unless it's been announced is what's dumb. Neither Sony, MS, nor Nintendo is entitled to any third party game unless they've signed a contract stating as much.
Well that's great. Still doesn't change a thing. Look, you're free to make whatever expectations you want. Just don't be upset when you make poor ones.
I think people shouldn't expect a game to be on ANY console until it's announced to be. I don't know why some of you can't seem to grasp this, as it's not that difficult. You can rephrase it or create whatever "what if" scenario you want. It's not gonna work. You've picked a poor argument to successfully debate I'm afraid. Continuing to try and argue in favor of having bad expectations is only proof that you're....
continuing to argue while having bad expectations. It's a negative feedback loop.
pasterpl
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You should read the OP and then read my comment. I know that reading with comprehension can be challenging for some people. Comments in this thread show that many did it even read the op and just came here to shit on ms and Phil.
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