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It has to do a minimum of 4k60 if you want me to shell out another $700+, otherwise I'll stick with my Series X.
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Microsoft's GDC 2023 booth possibly suggests an announcement of a new console soon.
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DenchDeckard
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Day one.
Eddie-Griffin
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Why would they make a console to compete with the PS5 SKU that doesn't sell?
analog_future
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PS5 digital regularly sells out. The issue is Sony doesn't make many of them.
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Eddie-Griffin
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Which is also the issue for the Series X, but you want them to replace the console that is produced fastest, with one that will produce at the same pace as the one that isn't being produced fast enough?
analog_future
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I didn't say I want them to, I just said that's what I think they may be bringing to the market.
And I never said anything about them replacing the Series S.
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Lagspike_exe
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Weird that there are no leaks.
Eddie-Griffin
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But why would they do bring something to the market, that would stall how many consoles they could put on store shelves?
Then with your last line you think they would have 2 Series X branded consoles and 1 Series S out at the same time?
They cancelled the One X and later the One S not long after to prevent naming confusion. In your case there would be two Xbox Series X and an S, two with no disc drives.
analog_future
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Maybe the idea would be to make the Series X disc edition the least produced console & prioritize selling discless hardware to push for increased digital sales & Game Pass subscriptions.
Not all that different than Sony's rumored plans of an upcoming discless PS5 SKU being their primary SKU and selling an optional disc drive accessory seperately.
And I don't think it'd be hard at all for consumers to differentiate "Series S Digital Console - $299", "Series X Digital Console - $399", and "Series X Disc Console - $499".
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newtypepilot
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anything but games!!!
Hendrick's
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Interesting. Seems to soon for a refresh, but who knows.
The_Mike
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cash_longfellow
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K…thanks. Your topics never seize to amaze me. Keep them coming.
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Matt Frost
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If It is a streaming box should include the posibility to add other services like GeForceNow, Boosteroid and PSnow
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Eddie-Griffin
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Which would do nothing because it would still be a Series X, which hasn't reached normal production yet which is why there aren't as many reach stores, and since there would be a new sku introduced into the scene, it would slow down production overall.
You are also assuming that more people will buy a digital Series X over the original for some odd reason, when the only difference between the two would be a disc drive. The X issue is production problems, having two Series X does not fix that problem it makes it worse.
nial
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now that would make me a bit interested in the xbox ecosystem (really liking handhelds lately), but if it were to release this year or next, how much could it cost?fingers crossed for handheld Series S
01011001
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Series X money is what I would expect this year... but if it's late 2024 then maybe same as Series S?
really hard to judge imo.
it would need an SoC that is 100% compatible to Series S games, it's also hard to say how fast AMD could get there.
their newest mobile SoCs used in various Windows handhelds are already very promising and basically half way there, so lets see how fast they can get all the way there
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Eddie-Griffin
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Handheld is not likely to happen, Xbox has partnered with like 5 companies, including recently Razr and another company, for games, including game pass support, on their handhelds, and they have steam deck verified games coming to SD. The abruptly doing an about face on handhelds would burn several bridges.
Sleepwalker
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Xbox series U, comes with a tablet controller
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ThatOneGrunt
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Really? These consoles can barely do 60 fps with raytracing. If at all at times.
ResetEraVetVIP
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Exactly lol!
01011001
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IMO a Handheld is very much something they almost have to do.
the Series S already looks outdated even now, imagine how it will feel towards the end of the generation.
HOWEVER, if they can shrink the die size down enough, and then built a handheld with this hardware, with HDMI out and everything, THEN it wouldn't look so bad at all anymore would it?
it would make the system infinitely more attractive in an instant.
hundreds, if not thousands of games already compatible, full support for all current gen games, TV support and controller support for local Multiplayer, and the graphics would look amazing on a handheld system.
AMD is already half way there as I said. we already have ~1.8TF to ~2TF mobile chips inside of Windows handhelds made by AMD with Zen 2 and Zen 3 CPUs.
hell, they wouldn't even need to give it a 1080p screen, give that handheld a 720p screen, supersample games down to 720p, adding additional Antialiasing for free, and save build costs that way as 720p on a handheld still looks sharp enough.
it doesn't need to be a premium system at all. I bet as long as it would work exactly as a Series S but with the possibilities of a Switch, it would sell well.
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Knightime_X
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The mid gen refresh for series S is the series X
ChorizoPicozo
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yisus. please don't tell me you consider yourself an "expert".
ThatOneGrunt
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Never claimed I was. Know what else I'm not doing? Choosing if I'm going to play my game in in performance, quality, or balanced mode because my hardware is lacking horsepower.
ChorizoPicozo
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oh, you are one of those. yikes.
onnextflix5
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If u look carefully the green line goes directly from the word evolution to the new console, so it’s 100% the streaming box 
man I got excited for minute there, ohh well
man I got excited for minute there, ohh well
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DaGwaphics
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That would almost require a slim for the XSX, entire airflow pattern is screwed if you took the drive out of the current design.
ProgenitorCastle
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Portugeezer
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"you will own nothing and be happy".
Enjoy streaming gamepass COD in 10 years time.
Enjoy streaming gamepass COD in 10 years time.
DaGwaphics
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The other stumbling block might be the GDDR6 memory. But, maybe you could go with a very high capacity battery to try and make up for that.
I'm hoping they give it a go at some point before the generation is over. Like you said, a lot would ride on what AMD is capable of in regards to reducing the power draw as the XSS can get up into the 90s as it is configured now.
Punished Miku
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Ezekiel made a joke
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Hopefully Xbox makes the switch to Nvidia/DLSS based and all the benefits of what comes with that. Pun intended too, I want a Switch like device out of Xbox AND a powerful ass console like no other WITH all the complimentary services supported e.g. Gamepass parity, xCloud, cloud saves, docking, extra power when docked, multiplayer support at home or on the go etc. Things like the Xbox wireless headset bluetooth-ing to your phone and xbox simultaneously. Bring all those Xbox controllers and accessories into the mix e.g. phones/controllers that connect with the docked or portable device. Games that shift/scale based on that too would be interesting. Sell them as one purchase or separately if you like but bring that wonderful Surface team in on the design please.
Hendrick's
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I would be all over an X Deck.
ResilientBanana
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Cloud stick
Rambone
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I doubt this is going to lead to anything revealed. The empty spot is more of a statement/reflection that there will most certainly be future Xbox generations and the inclusion of this empty display is nothing more than to generate speculation and excitement (for a whole lot of nothing). I'd have done the same to rile up a bunch of fans to generate traffic and attention. If anything, I would be pleased if they finally announced the cloud box and have a release date (soon) for it.
01011001
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yeah, it's all about getting to a 2h to 2½h battery life I think.
having "only" a 720p display would help reduce power usage, but other than that they would need to rely on AMD's APU development
Elysion
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People keep bringing up a streaming box, but what exactly would be the point of that? I mean, what would it add that can’t already be accomplished with XCloud? Isn’t the whole point of streaming that you aren’t tethered to any specific piece of hardware?
Something else that has been mentioned is a handheld version of the Series S. That would indeed be amazing (and would probably win MS the generation), but unfortunately I think it’s a bit too early for that. I don’t see how they could possibly get the power consumption of the Series S low enough to run on a battery, at least not with currently available production nodes. 5nm won’t be enough, and I’m not sure if even 3nm would be enough to get it down to <20W. The CPU and RAM in particular are far beyond anything found in current mobile devices; I think they’ll have to wait for 2nm before a handheld Series S is feasible. So 2025 at the absolute earliest imo.
Another possibility is a third model that fits right between the Series S and X. The GPU in the Series S runs only at 1.55 GHz, compared to 1.825 GHz in the Series X. A redesigned version of the Series S GPU on a 5nm node might be able to achieve significantly higher clocks than it does currently, which means they could make it more powerful without needing more silicon (and thus more $). If they can get it up to 2.3 Ghz (just a bit higher than PS5), they would achieve ~6TF. Throw in an additional 2GB of RAM (so it would have the same amount as the One X), and you’d have a 6TF console with 12GB RAM that could take the place of the Series S, possibly at the same price of 299. 6TF and 12GB not only means better performance and resolutions (compared to the current Series S), it also means it would benefit from the same BC enhancements as the One X.
Something else that has been mentioned is a handheld version of the Series S. That would indeed be amazing (and would probably win MS the generation), but unfortunately I think it’s a bit too early for that. I don’t see how they could possibly get the power consumption of the Series S low enough to run on a battery, at least not with currently available production nodes. 5nm won’t be enough, and I’m not sure if even 3nm would be enough to get it down to <20W. The CPU and RAM in particular are far beyond anything found in current mobile devices; I think they’ll have to wait for 2nm before a handheld Series S is feasible. So 2025 at the absolute earliest imo.
Another possibility is a third model that fits right between the Series S and X. The GPU in the Series S runs only at 1.55 GHz, compared to 1.825 GHz in the Series X. A redesigned version of the Series S GPU on a 5nm node might be able to achieve significantly higher clocks than it does currently, which means they could make it more powerful without needing more silicon (and thus more $). If they can get it up to 2.3 Ghz (just a bit higher than PS5), they would achieve ~6TF. Throw in an additional 2GB of RAM (so it would have the same amount as the One X), and you’d have a 6TF console with 12GB RAM that could take the place of the Series S, possibly at the same price of 299. 6TF and 12GB not only means better performance and resolutions (compared to the current Series S), it also means it would benefit from the same BC enhancements as the One X.
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01011001
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given that any phone, smart TV with internet access and every android streaming box can easily run their cloud service, it really makes no sense, which is why we know they cancelled it
THE DUCK
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I don't think they will make a third regular box, but what about a handheld that's only a portable, not hybrid. Some software magic and maybe you have it running series S code at 720p with little or no adjustments in the code?
Rambone
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I don't feel like buying another Series S/X to stick in another room that I'll use seldomly, so an inexpensive dedicated Xcloud/Gamepass box would hit the spot. I also don't want to have a lot of space taken up, so an older Xbox model is out of the question. I'm not sure that I would want the form factor to be a streaming stick as I still want the device to look like a console (think SNES mini). Come to think about it, a mini looking Series X or mini OG Xbox would hit the spot.
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