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[yamaci17]

Ellie is not amused by the lack of hardware acceleration when web browsing.

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I got used to it lol I been using these cheap tricks since I got this gpu to push graphics above most people. it just so happens that now it actually helps saving the day


i mean she was very far away, I'm sure it is normal that she looks low quality with such a zoom level

this is how she looked in game though

I did these closeup tests at 4k dlss perf + high textures because one of my friend refused to believe it ran fine on my end, and eventually said "game is nerfing your textures and you're not aware of it most likely". well, I had to take some closepup shots. no issues or whatsoever. the expected texture work/texture quality in this remake was present across all maps and characters

 

[bender]

 

[Kataploom]

i'm waiting this year for Lord of Fallen, looks insane and first tru next gen. With this game we can get answers, about future perfomance

No the first, but definitely one taking advantage of most current gen tech afaik. It will probably be using DirectStorage and SFS so we can expect way better performance on lower VRAM cards.

 

[Spyxos]

yes u got the gist of it

here's what happens with regular casual users; the famous trio chrome(or any chromium based hardware accerelated browser) + discord + steam

hardware accerelation off, a whole lot of VRAM is saved and...

[4K DLSS performance btw]
again, what do I know? not every user will be inclined to sacrifice on multitasking capabilities (in this case, you still will be able to use them. but they will be laggier since you run them on CPU)

most people are simply unaware that a healthy chunk of their GPU is used by windows+other apps. what is worse is, the more hardware accerelated software you run, the more Windows uses (by itself, not the software itself. DWM.exe gets bloated. something to do with how these application interact with desktop compositor I'd have to guess).

it is still unacceptable that you can't run hardware accerelated software with ease of mind with such GPUs. but I'm glad the option to disable it exists.

My Task Manager shows no Dedicated Gpu memory.

 

[yamaci17]

My Task Manager shows no Dedicated Gpu memory.

right click "name" in details tab , select column. there you will see dedicated gpu memory (also shared memory too)

 

[Spyxos]

right click "name" in details tab , select column. there you will see dedicated gpu memory (also shared memory too)

I am on Windows 10. I do not see this option at all.

 

[yamaci17]

I am on Windows 10. I do not see this option at all.

it is in Details tab

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

8gb vram is like wearing underwear that's a size or two too small.

might get you to the end of the day, but it wont be comfy.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

4060 is going to be a 128 bit bus.

You're right. It can still do 16GB if they use clamshell, though.

N33 with 128 bit will be the curious one. Probably would expect it to come in at 8GB but could be 16GB and that might allow them to stay nearer to $350 at launch.

If Skyjuice's specs are correct, N33 is at best on the level of a 6700 non-XT. It's supposed to be a high-volume / low-cost monolithic GPU (~200mm^2 N6) focused on mobile.
16GB would probably be overkill (and so would $350 at launch!), but you never know.

 

[BootsLoader]

That’s great, but anyone can have that same console experience of not being able to do anything about the way a game is.

I don't really care about how the game is on console and that I cannot do anything. The good thing with this is that the developers actually take time to optimize the game for the console so I don't lose time tweaking and buying graphics cards etc. On PC, developers leave that to you, they don't bother to optimize a game that much anymore.

 

[ChoosableOne]

I am on Windows 10. I do not see this option at all.

Then choose "Dedicated GPU memory" from that list.

 

[SlimySnake]

Just finished the video. it's honestly one of the most mind blowing things ive ever seen. AMD GPUs blasted for having poor RT performance all those years now destroying more powerful nvidia cards because the manufacturer was too cheap. It is corrupt and shady on so many levels I am kinda flabbergasted by the whole thing. I feel dirty and cheap and need to go take a shower.

P.S This is too much to ask for but I hope the PC community looks at this and sends an apology to hardware unboxed for all the harrassment they sent his way for the last three years. He's been called an AMD shill, and dismissed every time he posted anything about AMD being a better buy. Well, time has proved him right.

I still like DLSS a lot but I am not sure if my next card is going to be nvidia's. I cant sanction this buffoonery. Maybe if the 5070 is $600 and offers 4090 levels of performance with 24 GB of VRAM. Maybe.

 

[Guilty_AI]

The good thing with this is that the developers actually take time to optimize the game for the console

If only

 

[SmokedMeat]

I don't really care about how the game is on console and that I cannot do anything. The good thing with this is that the developers actually take time to optimize the game for the console so I don't lose time tweaking and buying graphics cards etc. On PC, developers leave that to you, they don't bother to optimize a game that much anymore.

Except that’s a myth, and console games also release in shitty, unfinished states. Only first party games who have all the support, time, and help they need release games that run optimized. Even then as seen on Switch games can still be complete and utter shit.

 

[Corndog]

Cool, you can play a game released before the 3070.
Now try something demanding from 2023 and see how that goes.

BTW, have you seen that Jedi Survivor has a minimum requirement of 8GB of vram?

Ya. Nvidia cheaped on ram. And I’m saying that as an owner of a 3070.

 

[Corndog]

I completed CP with ultra RT on my 2560x1080 monitor when i had 3070 (bought in on launch). Game was optimized for just released Nvidia ampere lineup so they scaled everything to work on 3070 without problem.



Majority of PC gaming is around free to play games that have super low requirements. But ports of current gen AAA games will have huge requirements, you won't be able to get the same settings on 8GB GPUs as on 16GB consoles. Developers never really cared about steam surveys and such, if you have inadequate hardware you have to buy better parts, that's it.

While I think 8 GB isn’t enough it should be plenty for current gen console ports at similar settings. It’s only when you use higher settings that you get in trouble.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I saw the writing on the wall when Nvidia made 3080s with 12 GB VRam, it felt like them correcting a mistake. That’s why I went with the 4090 over the 4080.

 

[manfestival]

Watched this video earlier and thought it was interesting that it took us this long to hit this point. I come to Neogaf and there is already a page 5 thread with lots of bickering and people not even understanding the video or the point of the video. The video is pretty self explanatory but I can tell reading some replies that they did not even bother watching or trying to understand

Sucks about the 3070 and 3070ti.

 

[simpatico]

Naughty Dog said so. (even tho TLOU is the only game I know of that meets the OP's criteria)

 

[Hoddi]

Just finished the video. it's honestly one of the most mind blowing things ive ever seen. AMD GPUs blasted for having poor RT performance all those years now destroying more powerful nvidia cards because the manufacturer was too cheap. It is corrupt and shady on so many levels I am kinda flabbergasted by the whole thing. I feel dirty and cheap and need to go take a shower.

P.S This is too much to ask for but I hope the PC community looks at this and sends an apology to hardware unboxed for all the harrassment they sent his way for the last three years. He's been called an AMD shill, and dismissed every time he posted anything about AMD being a better buy. Well, time has proved him right.

I still like DLSS a lot but I am not sure if my next card is going to be nvidia's. I cant sanction this buffoonery. Maybe if the 5070 is $600 and offers 4090 levels of performance with 24 GB of VRAM. Maybe.

I mean, they’re right in this case. But I still wouldn’t say they don’t have any AMD slant. Which is okay since we all have our preferences but they’ve still let some issues slide.

AMD’s cards are still fine though. There were some valid reasons to avoid them in the last gen but they aren’t really relevant now. If I were buying today then I’d definitely be more interested in those 7900 cards than the 4070.

Series S might also go a long way towards saving those 8GB cards.

 

[ChoosableOne]

3060 beats 3060ti at 1440p max+dlss. What a joke.

Oh, here is another one:

 

[Kataploom]

That’s why I love consoles. You just slide in the disc and play. It costs a lot of money and a lot of time (time is more valuable than everything else) to play a game.

The thing is: If people were to play games at console settings and framerates, lots of complainers wouldn't be complaining about lack of VRAM or unoptimized ports, to be fair the most PC gaming complainers were those trying to enable RT knowing they should with no issues as they play other games

 

[Crayon]

I mean, they’re right in this case. But I still wouldn’t say they don’t have any AMD slant. Which is okay since we all have our preferences but they’ve still let some issues slide.

AMD’s cards are still fine though. There were some valid reasons to avoid them in the last gen but they aren’t really relevant now. If I were buying today then I’d definitely be more interested in those 7900 cards than the 4070.

Series S might also go a long way towards saving those 8GB cards.

I've only really heard accusations from people here because I don't really hang out in any other communities, but the amd bias complaints seem to come from hub not being too impressed with rt in general. Idk if there's more than that but I thought that was a pretty suspect reasoning for saying they are an amd channel. Every comparison ive seen, they do the obligatory "if you want raytracing get the nvidia no contest" so I can only assume they aren't saying it passionatley enough to escape the wrath.

 

[Hoddi]

I've only really heard accusations from people here because I don't really hang out in any other communities, but the amd bias complaints seem to come from hub not being too impressed with rt in general. Idk if there's more than that but I thought that was a pretty suspect reasoning for saying they are an amd channel. Every comparison ive seen, they do the obligatory "if you want raytracing get the nvidia no contest" so I can only assume they aren't saying it passionatley enough to escape the wrath.

I don’t disagree and I wasn’t really talking about RT. But Radeon cards had sometimes severe driver overhead issues on DX11 and OpenGL that were often glossed over. Neither of those are relevant now that everything has transitioned to DX12/Vulkan but they were real issues at the time.

 

[yamaci17]

The thing is: If people were to play games at console settings and framerates, lots of complainers wouldn't be complaining about lack of VRAM or unoptimized ports, to be fair the most PC gaming complainers were those trying to enable RT knowing they should with no issues as they play other games

Core problem is many suggested 3060ti/3070 over 6700xt due to ray tracing capabilities (not me; do not be confused. I never personally suggested 8 GB cards to anyone). And now, ray tracing became POS on these cards going forward (of course, most ignore the 3-3.5 years worth of ray tracing experiences these cards were highly capable of running) There may still be games here and there that compily with low VRAM budgets but generally that ship has sailed away for 8 GB cards. it will be best to focus on good quality textures+raster settings going forward with ray tracing on a 8 GB budget. this is why 4060ti/4060 makes no sense.

these cards still have dlss advantage to them (and yes, while not huge, dlss still reduces some vram pressure. it is nothing to scoff at, 4K native last of us asks for 9.3 GB, 4K dlss performance brings that down to 7.9 GB while retaining crisp image quality.

for me, going forward ray tracing will be useless regardless



how many 3070 users will be okay with playing at 35-40 FPS? not many I'd bet. even if the card had more VRAM and gave you the ability to push ultra textures (not ultra settings. card's pure raster power cannot even handle high settings at high framerates); you would still run into a performance wall. going forward; ray tracing will be heavy to a point most people below 3080 will have to turn off ray tracing anyways.

this is why you don't see much of a crowd of 2060super-2070-2080 8 gb users complaining about not being able to run ray tracing due to VRAM. most of them stopped using ray tracing for quite a bit time ago. niche users like me who enjoy games at 30/40/45 FPS would definitely be sad due to this; but NVIDIA/devs bank on the idea that most wouldn't and most would push lower settings that gets the GPU to run above 60 FPS. that is how this stuff works.. certain games in 2019-2020 had acceptable ray tracing performance for their performance levels, but nowadays they're very rare. for 3060ti/3070, they're somewhat capable of it still for most recent games.

and then, people simply think if you're not going to run ray tracing, you might as well have/have gotten the 12 gb 6700xt 16 gb 6800 as an alternative and enjoy purely highest graphics with maxed out textures. they have a greatly valid point.

 

[Spyxos]

I've only really heard accusations from people here because I don't really hang out in any other communities, but the amd bias complaints seem to come from hub not being too impressed with rt in general. Idk if there's more than that but I thought that was a pretty suspect reasoning for saying they are an amd channel. Every comparison ive seen, they do the obligatory "if you want raytracing get the nvidia no contest" so I can only assume they aren't saying it passionatley enough to escape the wrath.

I think that started when the rx 5700xt had massive driver problems. Hub did not notice this in their test. Only through a poll it came to light that a lot of people were affected.

 

[Crayon]

I think that started when the rx 5700xt had massive driver problems. Hub did not notice this in their test. Only through a poll it came to light that a lot of people were affected.

Well, that's pretty tame. On the other hand it's not like I've heard droves of people having a problem with the channel. Just a few here.

 

[Spyxos]

Well, that's pretty tame. On the other hand it's not like I've heard droves of people having a problem with the channel. Just a few here.

I've been watching them for years, I've never noticed anything. If there was criticism, it was justified. No matter if Amd or Nvidia.

 

[Kappa]

This isn't a console, just tweak the settings and you are golden. Like no shit your 3 year old gpu isn't gonna run the newest games on maxed out ultra with rt when games aren't being optimized for the low end consoles anymore.

 

[Kataploom]

Core problem is many suggested 3060ti/3070 over 6700xt due to ray tracing capabilities (not me; do not be confused. I never personally suggested 8 GB cards to anyone). And now, ray tracing became POS on these cards going forward (of course, most ignore the 3-3.5 years worth of ray tracing experiences these cards were highly capable of running) There may still be games here and there that compily with low VRAM budgets but generally that ship has sailed away for 8 GB cards. it will be best to focus on good quality textures+raster settings going forward with ray tracing on a 8 GB budget. this is why 4060ti/4060 makes no sense.

these cards still have dlss advantage to them (and yes, while not huge, dlss still reduces some vram pressure. it is nothing to scoff at, 4K native last of us asks for 9.3 GB, 4K dlss performance brings that down to 7.9 GB while retaining crisp image quality.

for me, going forward ray tracing will be useless regardless



how many 3070 users will be okay with playing at 35-40 FPS? not many I'd bet. even if the card had more VRAM and gave you the ability to push ultra textures (not ultra settings. card's pure raster power cannot even handle high settings at high framerates); you would still run into a performance wall. going forward; ray tracing will be heavy to a point most people below 3080 will have to turn off ray tracing anyways.

this is why you don't see much of a crowd of 2060super-2070-2080 8 gb users complaining about not being able to run ray tracing due to VRAM. most of them stopped using ray tracing for quite a bit time ago. niche users like me who enjoy games at 30/40/45 FPS would definitely be sad due to this; but NVIDIA/devs bank on the idea that most wouldn't and most would push lower settings that gets the GPU to run above 60 FPS. that is how this stuff works.. certain games in 2019-2020 had acceptable ray tracing performance for their performance levels, but nowadays they're very rare. for 3060ti/3070, they're somewhat capable of it still for most recent games.

and then, people simply think if you're not going to run ray tracing, you might as well have/have gotten the 12 gb 6700xt 16 gb 6800 as an alternative and enjoy purely highest graphics with maxed out textures. they have a greatly valid point.

TBF, even on RT I think I'd get 6700xt over a 3070, I've seen games running at similar or better performance on a 6700xt lately due to VRAM limitation, whenever VRAM hits, even RT won't be an advantage over AMD anymore going forward.

 

[onQ123]

Maybe because better IO system comes into play on the console and that's compensated for by increased memory requirements on PC.

Another case of me trying to explain things & NeoGAF Neogaffing

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/peop...the-ssd-is-going-to-be-its-life-line.1536804/

 

[Silver Wattle]

This isn't a console, just tweak the settings and you are golden. Like no shit your 3 year old gpu isn't gonna run the newest games on maxed out ultra with rt when games aren't being optimized for the low end consoles anymore.

Someone didn't watch the video.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

So a RTX 3080's 10GB Vram won't be enough for nex gen games?

What other cards out there are worth getting for next gen games without selling a kidney on the black market?

 

[Crayon]

So a RTX 3080's 10GB Vram won't be enough for nex gen games?

What other cards out there are worth getting for next gen games without selling a kidney on the black market?

Best deal on vram is probly 6800 non-xt.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Best deal on vram is prtobly 6800 non-xt.

Oh true that does look an amazing deal.
Going forward might just switch to AMD. I didn't win the lottery to get any of the RTX 4000 series cards.

Thanks again

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I thought I had enough ram in my laptop to run Diablo 2 resurrected. But it appears Windows 11 had eaten the Ram I need. So now i need to upgrade unless i can wrestle 2 RAM from window OS..

 

[manfestival]

So a RTX 3080's 10GB Vram won't be enough for nex gen games?

What other cards out there are worth getting for next gen games without selling a kidney on the black market?

3080 is probably fine as long as you avoid texture packs like the plague. I think the first game that the 3080 fell to was far cry 6 but only with the HD texture packs. Seems like we have finally arrived at this point and I can see 10gb really not being sufficient for the high end(HD texture pack) graphics kinda titles. Will be a while before mid range gets affected like this though

 

[Hawking Radiation]

3080 is probably fine as long as you avoid texture packs like the plague. I think the first game that the 3080 fell to was far cry 6 but only with the HD texture packs. Seems like we have finally arrived at this point and I can see 10gb really not being sufficient for the high end(HD texture pack) graphics kinda titles. Will be a while before mid range gets affected like this though

I remember booting up that very game and the textures not loading properly. I think there's a way to get it to work but can't remember now since its been a while since I played it but yeah you're right only AMD cards could play that game with HD textures enabled with 0 issues.

Going to upgrade to an AMD card in future though. In terms of value for money they're a great buy.

 

[Guilty_AI]

With this, RTX 3060 shall be crowned the king of mid-range gpus. The last good affordable Nvidia card.

 

[64bitmodels]

With this, RTX 3060 shall be crowned the king of mid-range gpus. The last good affordable Nvidia card.

fucking hate it too because the RTX 3060 in comparison to the 3070 and 3060ti is mediocre.... but since Nvidia stocked it with a bunch of VRAM (and refused to do so for the rest of the stack) we have to use that for the time being

 

[GHG]

So a RTX 3080's 10GB Vram won't be enough for nex gen games?

What other cards out there are worth getting for next gen games without selling a kidney on the black market?

If you're not willing to get a used 3090 or step up to a 4080 then AMD is your best bet. Good deals can be found on the 6800 xt and 6900 xt.

 

[64bitmodels]

Going forward might just switch to AMD. I didn't win the lottery to get any of the RTX 4000 series cards.

the thing is that i'd actually get a 4090 since i can save up... but the issue is that the card is so outrageously big, power hungry, and difficult to properly run that i'd have to spend another 1600 dollars on a modern day PC with all the latest specced equipment just to put it in & get great performance.

every other GPU series, including the RX 7000 series, can easily go in any PC of the last 5 years with 0 issues (maybe you'd need to buy a new CPU) but the 4090 is such a different beast that you need to optimize your computer around IT rather than simply getting one and being done with it.

it'd be a $3200 upgrade when i could just get a 6800xt, plop it in my 5600x build and not have to worry about vram for the next couple of years

 

[Sleepwalker]

It's ok Nvidia won't care as long as the business is good on the AI front. Gamers are an afterthought for jacketman

 

[Hawking Radiation]

the thing is that i'd actually get a 4090 since i can save up... but the issue is that the card is so outrageously big, power hungry, and difficult to properly run that i'd have to spend another 1600 dollars on a modern day PC with all the latest specced equipment just to put it in & get great performance.

every other GPU series, including the RX 7000 series, can easily go in any PC of the last 5 years with 0 issues (maybe you'd need to buy a new CPU) but the 4090 is such a different beast that you need to optimize your computer around IT rather than simply getting one and being done with it.

it'd be a $3200 upgrade when i could just get a 6800xt, plop it in my 5600x build and not have to worry about vram for the next couple of years

True. My other components won't be anywhere near the 4090 if i could afford one. AMD seems to be the best bet going forward or unless Nvidia decides to drop their prices a bit. Or I can just go Fuck It and get a console and be done with this ridiculousness of nvidia GPU prices.

I was counting on the 4080 to come in at a reasonable price but even that is expensive as fuck where I am. Put it this way. I can get a whole new set of 18 or 19 inch wheels (with tires) for the price of an RTX 4080.
Its been a good ride Nvidia but I'm hopping off the train.

 

[Guilty_AI]

the thing is that i'd actually get a 4090 since i can save up... but the issue is that the card is so outrageously big, power hungry, and difficult to properly run that i'd have to spend another 1600 dollars on a modern day PC with all the latest specced equipment just to put it in & get great performance.

every other GPU series, including the RX 7000 series, can easily go in any PC of the last 5 years with 0 issues (maybe you'd need to buy a new CPU) but the 4090 is such a different beast that you need to optimize your computer around IT rather than simply getting one and being done with it.

it'd be a $3200 upgrade when i could just get a 6800xt, plop it in my 5600x build and not have to worry about vram for the next couple of years

Just stay mid-range and be a happy man. High end PC gaming isn't worth it most of the time.

 

[64bitmodels]

Just stay mid-range (with high VRAM) and be a happy man. High end PC gaming isn't worth it most of the time.

FIFY. 6700xt-6800xt is the way to go these days

 

[Rentahamster]

 

[buenoblue]

no matter how i look at this, it seems like real bad business practice to release a game which 80% of your target audience cant play
good luck with unrealistic ram requirements, the majority of pc gamers just going to play other things

Yeah exactly. Devs know that there's a lot of 8GB cards out there so it would make sense to target and optimize for those cards

 

[jufonuk]

Nintendo Switch

And yea there are 1080 games in switch.

Wish they actually brought back 1080 snowboarding game was tight as balls

 

[BootsLoader]

If only

Oh they do. Take the Last of us Part 2 for example. It runs on PS4. Run that on a Jaguar based PC.
Good luck.