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[SEGAvangelist]

To be fair I know a few fellow Xbox fans who call things out, good people who are passionate but don’t have the followings or YouTube content to be heard

Most Xbox fans are already calling for a delay. I don't think we'll see much defense of this decision.

 

[Three]

What happened to the monster that eats monsters for breakfast?

What they meant by that is companies.

 

[Riky]

You just said "if it's not Series S, what is it ?" That's not an explanation.

MS is not partial to releasing games with different FPS targets. Infinite added 120hz support for Series S months after launch.

Exactly, games on every format have released then patched in different modes after launch, this is hardly new.
They seem to have prioritized the wrong mode for launch is a valid criticism, especially for a FPS.
You would have thought after an almost 12 months delay they would be able to get both modes at launch.
If the 60fps patch arrives quickly then it will be forgotten fast.

 

[Killer8]

Good thing Arkane knows where their priorities are:

"we live in a world where a tiny percentage of people are living greater than kings of old"

A majority of people are living greater than kings of old. Your average person today has access to better food, transport, healthcare, communication, knowledge, living standards... etc etc... than at any other point in history.

If he's going to make a political statement at least he shouldn't be a fucking retarded about it lmao.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Hes talking about the performance of the game not about the 'fun' and this thread is about the performance of the game.

Also forspoken has a 60fps mode at launch, or did it not?

He’s a cringey fanboy posting about Xbox on twitter all day. His opinion is meaningless since he hasnt played the game. These console war youtubers and twitter addicts are the lowest form of social media user, but I guess they found their target audience (you).

 

[adamsapple]

When the S was unveiled we all had some predictions about it. Some were good and some were bad. With a few years behind us we can say that the most optimistic ones didn't happen. And the most pessimistic ones have yet to happen, but are getting closer than ever.
The Series S is not the PS5 killer that some people claimed. Yet it is not ultra detrimetal to gaming like other people have said.

But here we have a game that should be by your own admission a 60 fps one, but isn't. If the Series S didn't exist, would it be easier for that 60 fps mode to happen or not?

I believe that the answer is yes. And that Microsoft is to blame for it, be it by rushing the game or mandating that the Series S must have a 1440p mode when it probably was not the plan when the game was being made a few years ago.

If it were a Series S specific issue and Arkane was forced to release it at 30 FPS on both consoles, that's an issue.

But like I said in my later reply, MS themselves as first party are not shy of releasing games on Series S with different frame rate options than Series X, so that seems unlikely to me at least.

 

[Riky]

When the S was unveiled we all had some predictions about it. Some were good and some were bad. With a few years behind us we can say that the most optimistic ones didn't happen. And the most pessimistic ones have yet to happen, but are getting closer than ever.
The Series S is not the PS5 killer that some people claimed. Yet it is not ultra detrimetal to gaming like other people have said.

But here we have a game that should be by your own admission a 60 fps one, but isn't. If the Series S didn't exist, would it be easier for that 60 fps mode to happen or not?

I believe that the answer is yes. And that Microsoft is to blame for it, be it by rushing the game or mandating that the Series S must have a 1440p mode when it probably was not the plan when the game was being made a few years ago.

There is no mandate, easily proven by already released games like Halo Infinite and by the forthcoming Forza Motorsport which is 1080p on Series S.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Not that I care, but does your money gets patched at some future point to the full amount?

What money? My GP sub is earned through MS reward points.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Putting the pass in gamepass

How long have you been sitting on this one? lmao

 

[DeepEnigma]

"we live in a world where a tiny percentage of people are living greater than kings of old"

A majority of people are living greater than kings of old. Your average person today has access to better food, transport, healthcare, communication, knowledge, living standards... etc etc... than at any other point in history.

If he's going to make a political statement at least he shouldn't be a fucking retarded about it lmao.

Facts.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Most Xbox fans are already calling for a delay. I don't think we'll see much defense of this decision.

Maybe that was the idea, so another actual delay wouldn’t get as big a backlash.

“Well it’s needs another delay. And the fans are now calling for it. Sweet”

Or perhaps I’ve got my ridiculously cynical mindset on again ha ha .

 

[fart town usa]

Something something Chad Warden Xbox ain't got games.

 

[Topher]

All huge studios make "fight the power" kind of games, singling it out to one company is a bit disingenuous.

Ah....bullshit man. All studios do not make a point to equate the villains to be killed in the game with a specific group of real life people. That goes a hell of a lot further than "fight the power" and you should know that.

 

[fart town usa]

"we live in a world where a tiny percentage of people are living greater than kings of old"

A majority of people are living greater than kings of old. Your average person today has access to better food, transport, healthcare, communication, knowledge, living standards... etc etc... than at any other point in history.

If he's going to make a political statement at least he shouldn't be a fucking retarded about it lmao.

Lol, someone from Arkane a really said that? (Twitter doesn't show on duckduckgo). If true, what a complete idiot! Lmao.

I live better than frigging Rockefeller.

 

[Gaiff]

"we live in a world where a tiny percentage of people are living greater than kings of old"

A majority of people are living greater than kings of old. Your average person today has access to better food, transport, healthcare, communication, knowledge, living standards... etc etc... than at any other point in history.

If he's going to make a political statement at least he shouldn't be a fucking retarded about it lmao.

I know what you're going for and don't disagree but that's only true for developed countries. Not sure if someone living in a slum in Bogota lives better than Louis XIV, and that person is probably more representative of the living conditions of the average human than your regular American or British person.

That said, the overall point you're trying to drive is still correct.

 

[Tg89]

The game looks like a dog turd anyway.

 

[Ansphn]

You just said "if it's not Series S, what is it ?" That's not an explanation.

MS is not partial to releasing games with different FPS targets. Infinite added 120hz support for Series S months after launch.




All huge studios make "fight the power" kind of games, singling it out to one company is a bit disingenuous.

Yes 5 months later. Think logically, if Series S was skipped do you think Series X would have a problem running these games at 120FPS?

And look at the sacrifices they made for that to happen :

Halo Infinite on Xbox Series S rarely hits 120fps in reality. In fact, the game hovers around 90 in a lot of outdoor scenes across the game's campaign, and the big team modes in multiplayer. Resolutions drop as low as 540p to hit those numbers as well.

Halo Infinite's New Performance Mode Features Some Serious Cutbacks On Xbox Series S

Finite frames

www.purexbox.com

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ah....bullshit man. All studios do not make a point to equate the villains to be killed in the game with a specific group of real life people. That goes a hell of a lot further than "fight the power" and you should know that.

They see you Phil Spencer and the rest of the execs, they see you.

 

[Bernoulli]

why don't they put 60 fps only on series X? or they have to be both?

 

[Klayzer]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ARCANE........

Lol. That's Lando GIF was exactly what I was thinking.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

It’s all part of the plan people and the corporate sell outs are more than willing to play ball . Get that mindset brewing for the inevitable delay. announcement.



(I’m sort of joking by the way....I think)

 

[Sleepwalker]

They see you Phil Spencer and the rest of the execs, they see you.

Hopefully there's a hidden bill gates boss and he throws explosive vaccines at you

 

[Ansphn]

Did you read what i posted?. If Series S was holding back the game, there would be more chance of XSX running it at 60fps, hell 120fps. Thats common sense. The game also wouldnt be 1440p on Series S either.

Honestly i'm losing hope with a lot of you, and this forum. Its just fanboy drivel in every freaking Xbox thread, and its just allowed to happen.

Every little problem in regards to Xbox is either Gamepass fault, or Series S. Its god damn tiresome at this point.

Absurd comment if you know how many times i got banned for shitting on Xbox and explaining why i dislike the leadership and console.

 

[BrutalTruth_]

This game just keeps digging it's own grave.

Thanks to GamePass so I don't need to spend 100 Canadian to try it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Hopefully there's a hidden bill gates boss and he throws explosive vaccines at you

Mecha-Gates

 

[GHG]

I'm assuming people will now cancel their pre-orders? This is disappointing but I'll take a rock solid 30 fps over a jumpy 60 any day. I hope they get out the performance patch quickly.

Has our friend Riky not told you about the revolutionary treasured technology that is VRR?

 

[adamsapple]

Ah....bullshit man. All studios do not make a point to equate the villains to be killed in the game with a specific group of real life people. That goes a hell of a lot further than "fight the power" and you should know that.

The game was already in development with the same narrative before becoming the subsidiary of a two trillion dollar company, still kinda disingenuous if you ask me

They see you Phil Spencer and the rest of the execs, they see you.

 

[Kvally]

FH5, Psychonauts 2 etc.

Both MS and Sony have released finished and unfinished games.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The game was already in development with the same narrative before becoming the subsidiary of a two trillion dollar company, still kinda disingenuous if you ask me

I heard they even had a PS5 version that Phil and MS cancelled because they totally don't want to hurt Sony, but are after Amazon and Google for competition.

 

[Teh Chosen Juan]

the most powerful system on the planet!

 

[BrutalTruth_]

Am I wrong or were the gameplay clips all PC then? It was all 60 fps

 

[DeepEnigma]

Am I wrong or were the gameplay clips all PC then? It was all 60 fps

It's safe to assume, if it doesn't say "captured or running on Series X" or the like in the fine print, you will be seeing the PC version with all the bells and whistles. Been this way for some time.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

If it were a Series S specific issue and Arkane was forced to release it at 30 FPS on both consoles, that's an issue.

But like I said in my later reply, MS themselves as first party are not shy of releasing games on Series S with different frame rate options than Series X, so that seems unlikely to me at least.

There is no mandate, easily proven by already released games like Halo Infinite and by the forthcoming Forza Motorsport which is 1080p on Series S.

Understood. I may be wrong. But it is still my opinion in this case. Not a develloper so i can misunderstand things but if the choice was between performance and quality then Arkane should choose performance right? They didn't. So either they can't or they have been told not to.
If they can't then it is Microsoft fault to not have made them change priorities when they got control of them. If they have been told te prioritise quality then it is Microsoft fault again.

I do not say that Series S has to be the problem, just that it didn't help at all. And honestly we will probably forget about it fast is the patch is just a few days after the release date. We will have to wait and see.

 

[dem]

Am I wrong or were the gameplay clips all PC then? It was all 60 fps

Everyone was hoodwinked

 

[DAHGAMING]

Whats Redfall and that new Nicolas Cage film Renfield got in common ? There both a load of of old dog shit.

 

[adamsapple]

I heard they even had a PS5 version that Phil and MS cancelled because they totally don't want to hurt Sony, but are after Amazon and Google for competition.

This thread certainly wouldn't have blown up this much had this been a multi-plat game, that is for sure We've reached the same page count as the Gotham Knights 30 FPS thread in a fraction of the time.

Also a courtesy laugh for my amazing MS Paint skills would be appreciated

Am I wrong or were the gameplay clips all PC then? It was all 60 fps

Yes, the pre-release media and preview cycle was on PCs at 60 FPS.

 

[kyoji]

Am I wrong or were the gameplay clips all PC then? It was all 60 fps

PC smoke and mirrors apparently. and they flew out the likes of colteastwood to schill, he lied to his follower base and is now back tracking asking for a delay because the truth came out about the games performance across the series consoles.

 

[Kvally]

the most powerful system on the planet!

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

a RGB keyboard?

 

[DeepEnigma]

This thread certainly wouldn't have blown up this much had this been a multi-plat game, that is for sure We've reached the same page count as the Gotham Knights thread in a fraction of the time.

Marketing and track record the past 3 years of overpromising and underdelivering would have a thing to do with that. Especially when you want to Daddy Warbucks the industry. Ask them to do better instead of making excuses.

 

[GHG]

It’s all part of the plan people and the corporate sell outs are more than willing to play ball . Get that mindset brewing for the inevitable delay. announcement.



(I’m sort of joking by the way....I think)

It's 100% part of the plan. Both him and Jez are asking exactly the same thing, I don't believe in coincidences, this is coordinated.

I'd be more surprised at this stage if it wasn't delayed again. Have we had a "it's gone gold announcement" yet? If not, another delay is very much on the cards.

 

[sendit]

This backlash is actually good for the gaming industry. Console gamer's are finally speaking up. After decades upon decades of 30 FPS of vomit inducing experiences, 60 FPS should be the minimum going forward.

 

[Riky]

Understood. I may be wrong. But it is still my opinion in this case. Not a develloper so i can misunderstand things but if the choice was between performance and quality then Arkane should choose performance right? They didn't. So either they can't or they have been told not to.
If they can't then it is Microsoft fault to not have made them change priorities when they got control of them. If they have been told te prioritise quality then it is Microsoft fault again.

I do not say that Series S has to be the problem, just that it didn't help at all. And honestly we will probably forget about it fast is the patch is just a few days after the release date. We will have to wait and see.

From what has been said MS have been pretty hands off with Bethesda. Prey was 30fps and was still a great game, maybe image quality is an internal goal, only Arkane know.
Native 4k is pretty demanding so it's no surprise that mode is 30fps, I agree they should have got the 60fps mode out first or at least both at launch but it's probably a developer choice. As the game is open world I'm pretty surprised the Series S version is 1440p, hopefully we'll get an 1800p 60fps mode on Series X and 1080p 60fps on Series S.
Hopefully the patch will be quick.

 

[diffusionx]

Kind of weird to see Xbox shills like Colt Eastwood spurn the Redfall thimble of water in the desert that is first party Xbox game releases because of no 60fps. We don't know when that 60fps patch will land and in what state that 60fps mode would be. I assume they're not close if they're not even launching it with a shitty 60fps like many games (recently: Witcher 3 patch on XSX) do. Changing the resolution is like, an .ini thing, it shouldn't be that big of a deal if it was as simple as lowering resolution.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Starfield is going to be 30 FPS isnt it?

Sure, in the performance mode.

 

[banjobot]

Edit: Go ahead and laugh it up, dipshit. I’m tired of seen your Xbox can do no wrong drivel and your revisionist history bullshit, pretending like problems never happened. People have been banned for console warring for less yet you keep polluting this place. Welcome to my ignore list like every other braindead green rat.

 

[Barakov]

I guess the standard output changed.

 

[fermcr]

So many people bitching about nothing.

Here's an idea...
Don't delay the game. Who wants to play the game on 30FPS, play it on release. Who wants to play the game on 60FPS, wait for the patch. Problem solved!

That was tough problem to solve, but I solved it.

 

[GHG]

Fredrik

Here's your answer:




Sounds like a CPU bottleneck.

 

[Teh Chosen Juan]

lol true that. PCs are just such a pain in the ass. with the constant patches and updates and having to dig around the internet for drivers. consoles are so much simpler. i don't have the time or patience anymore to play the troubleshoot game. i just want shit to work.