trikster40
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He's just playing the "Woe is me" card to try to influence whatever hope the ABK acquisition still has. "Look, we really need this, or we can't compete."
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Phil Spencer admits defeat in console space, and doesn't think great games would help Xbox's market share.
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SegaSnatcher
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It's like what they say in Professional wrestling, if your goal isn't to be the World Champion then you shouldn't be in the business.
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Bernardougf
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I think is becoming obvious that their strategy always was the gamepass service push and that they were not invested in creating great games as the ultimate goal, instead buy studios that could pump as much games as it could to feed the gamepass machine, the ABK aquisition must have always being the plan as COD would be the ultimate gamepass killerapp and CMA shut down that hard... now that they have to create great games to compete they just dont know how and/or simply dosent care because its not what they were planning for...
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DenchDeckard
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Would never happen...ever!
I have a load of them in my offices, and they would NEVER go android no matter what.
There are several things xbox can do to help the situation.
1) adjust your games back to 60 dollars. Enough of the 70 dollar games. Too expensive.
2) Gamerscore needs to mean something. They need to institute a reward system where your gamer score can earn you swag... either real life or virtual
3) release an honest timeline. They need to focus on games that are here are will be here this year. Enough of showing games that will not be ready for another 2-3 years.
4) Simplify your naming system and stick with it. Enough of the S, X, one X, Series X... What in the actual fuck?
5) they need ambassadors to come out and show off the console... bring it to the masses to let them play with it and test it out. You can never do too many product demos.
6) they need a pack in game or free game with every console. I would throw the newest Halo in ... as the engine is good enough to bring in players as a reintroduction.
focus on fun. MS is always trying to be serious and overly complex... just make it fun.
And finally... please redo the User Interface. It is overly complicated.
1) adjust your games back to 60 dollars. Enough of the 70 dollar games. Too expensive.
2) Gamerscore needs to mean something. They need to institute a reward system where your gamer score can earn you swag... either real life or virtual
3) release an honest timeline. They need to focus on games that are here are will be here this year. Enough of showing games that will not be ready for another 2-3 years.
4) Simplify your naming system and stick with it. Enough of the S, X, one X, Series X... What in the actual fuck?
5) they need ambassadors to come out and show off the console... bring it to the masses to let them play with it and test it out. You can never do too many product demos.
6) they need a pack in game or free game with every console. I would throw the newest Halo in ... as the engine is good enough to bring in players as a reintroduction.
focus on fun. MS is always trying to be serious and overly complex... just make it fun.
And finally... please redo the User Interface. It is overly complicated.
ChorizoPicozo
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is much more simple than that:
Just release AAA GOTY contenders in a constant basis. (it doesn't matter if they are Single or Multiplayer) they need to capture the zeitgeist of the gaming culture.
Bernardougf
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But have you heard of gamepass ??? ...People thinking creating great games won't change anything are fucking morons.
Imagine an alternate reality where instead of Take Two being the creators of the GTA and RDR, it was a Xbox IP and was developed by their own internal studios, so every GTA and RDR ever made was a first party Xbox exclusive.
Do you think the market split wouldn't be a bit different?
Step into fucking reality.
Halo 1/2 alone propelled the original Xbox and made the 360 even possible and that console gained marketshare.
Why? Because great exclusives games matter.
Nintendo literally to this day lives off of Mario, Zelda and a few other IP.
Why? Because great exclusives games matter.
This is kind of scary, it seems some of you guys have literally been fucking brainwashed by this campaign Xbox has been on for a while now.
Wake the fuck up.
Great games or the absence of them is really the only thing that matters in this industry.
Topher
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HeisenbergFX4
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DeepEnigma
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I did in 2015, but I will be going back to Apple this year (for phones). Mainly work related.Yes
Jerm411
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DeepEnigma
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Oh god, he reproduced.
ChorizoPicozo
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is not his.
Sinfulgore
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You don't need to be on top to be very successful. Look at Apple, Windows and Andriod dominate the market but Apple is still very successful.
Microsoft's problem is bad management. They make really bad decisions, remember Fable Legends and Project Spark? They let Halo, their biggest franchise, release the way it did. I don't even understand how something like that happens. Microsoft needs to take control of their studios like Sony does. It's been 5 years since Sea of Thieves released and we still have very little info on Rare's next game, in the same time frame Insomniac released 2 games, has a third game coming out soon, and their next game has already been announced. Microsoft needs devs like this.
DJ12
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His little one. Just said that so people don't critic his art.
MasterCornholio
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SenkiDala
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That's not surprising at all. Since he's in charge he's focused on one thing : making money, not great or even good games. It explains ALL his actions. And yes I know big companies are here to make money, Sony, Nintendo, all of them, but MS is the only one going "all in" in the micro transactions, GAAS, and those kind of shit, and nothing in producing awesome games like they were doing on OG Xbox and 360.This is honestly embarrassing
That interview was insane. The guy who runs Xbox doesn't even have confidence in Xbox or the staff he has producing games.
That's the direction of Xbox since 2013 and the arrival of Spencer in 2014 changed nothing except that nobody wanted to see the face of Mattrick anymore, so here comes Spencer. The strategy was "hey every time I appear in public I'll wear a gaming T-shirt, those "gamers" are dumb, they'll bite". And he was right.
And I mean how it is possible to be surprised by how gamers and reviewers received Redfall... I played the game 2 hours and if he (or someone of his team) did the same (which should be the minimum) would also see that the game was unfinished, with blank gameplay, full of bugs (day one Assassin's Creed and Elder Scrolls can't beat this) and graphically pathetic. I am disappointed since I was supporting the game since its first announcement... I believed it would be one of those hidden gem, but no... Well we can always hope for patches but first impression is very important...
I can say I'm a fan of Xbox, I support them since day one, I bought all of them on day one (even the OG Xbox that I could get the day before !), I've hundreds of fond memories of OG Xbox and 360, I even enjoyed the day one of Xbox One with Killer Instinct and Dead Rising 3, but wtf they're doing since... All those speeches (from Spencer the fraud himself) about "multiplayer is all that matters, nobody cares solo games" and after few months "we're committed to solo games" saying everything and its opposite depending and who's talking to him... Fuck this guy, renew the team, hire people actually caring gaming like Allard or Fries were.
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GHG
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Topher
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I'm still on iPhone, but switched from Mac back to PC.
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Train wreck of a game.
kyussman
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His kid is around 18 by the way..........like father like son.
kyussman
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His kid is around 18 by the way......like father like son.
MasterCornholio
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Latest Delayed Input episode discussing Phil's recent interview on Kinda Funny podcast
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BlackTron
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Lay off the copium. The battle lines have changed in gaming overnight many times.
Sony/Nintendo have these development strengths because of their internal management strategies; it's not a "free" bonus, they have it because of intentioned choices. If MS's management style fails to foster talent, creativity and quality in the same way, the impact to the brand came from a real problem in it, not some free excuse like Covid. There is no guarantee that they will ever be as good as the competition no matter how much time they have to prepare, because it starts with how they go about it. On the other hand brilliance can happen overnight in the right circumstances.
It would be nice to find some indication that their bungled management was on a tighter trajectory instead of saying "great games won't matter anyway" which sounds dangerously like doubling down on Netflix-of-gaming strategy (including their spamming of mediocre content).
GermanZepp
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Oh it's alright, we don't have to agreee. Words can be readead in lots of ways.
I understad what he said but just comes out as lame, and I wonder if he would said the same if GTAVI were exclusive to Xbox. lol
You keep waiting on those Microsoft GOTY games. Hopefully Starfied is gonna be very good.
Gudji
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Plague Doctor
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Look, Xbox doesn't have to make great games. What's all the fuss over great games? Look. I just like a box branded with that specific logo and playing a backlog of old games and indies and mid tier games. You guys really, really, really are obsessed with getting new great games. Personally, I think what Xbox is doing is smart. They are lowering expectation so when they have just mid games, they appear to be classics by comparison.
Don't @ me console fanboys!
Don't @ me console fanboys!
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DeepEnigma
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GOTY Contenders™ even.
That being said, he's very good to derive the subject and makes it about what he said or even himself. It's the usual Spencer show and i don't think his words here have much weight.
It would be very naive to think that all of this is because of him and his strategy. It's about how Microsoft works and i don't think he will change any of this because truth be told he is weak in the grand scheme of things.
It would be very naive to think that all of this is because of him and his strategy. It's about how Microsoft works and i don't think he will change any of this because truth be told he is weak in the grand scheme of things.
wOs
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Kinda hard for him to prove his point of great games win console wars since at most Xbox has a hit a year and those have become sequel after sequel.
Sounds more like someone justifying not getting the job done.
It was always going to be an uphill battle and I say this as someone who's owned each generation of Xbox consoles.
Sounds more like someone justifying not getting the job done.
It was always going to be an uphill battle and I say this as someone who's owned each generation of Xbox consoles.
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RJMacready73
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Don't know why everyone is raggin on the dude for telling it like it is and setting expectations, MS have lost the console race and no amount of ganepass or buying up exclusives is gonna change that, they made a massive fuckup last gen and pretty much handed it to Sony on a plate who just ran away with it, there's no catching up to be had, everyone is invested in their platforms be it through massive digital librarys or some sports type brand loyalty and the Sony boat has sailed.
Hell they even came out with a superior on paper console with more teraflimflams and whatnots and still fucked up cause I ain't seeing no runaway successes like the PS4/Xbox1 days where the differences where obvious to everyone, not to mention all their games are on gamepass and PC day one why even bother buying an Xbox when you can throw a few more quid at it and get a PC.
Sony exclusives are what made me buy a playstation, if they released those exclusives same time as PC I'll probably go PC next gen
Hell they even came out with a superior on paper console with more teraflimflams and whatnots and still fucked up cause I ain't seeing no runaway successes like the PS4/Xbox1 days where the differences where obvious to everyone, not to mention all their games are on gamepass and PC day one why even bother buying an Xbox when you can throw a few more quid at it and get a PC.
Sony exclusives are what made me buy a playstation, if they released those exclusives same time as PC I'll probably go PC next gen
Pelta88
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I've heard about this but never actually seen it. Forcing your kid to draw pics of an exec, they clearly know nothing about, is abuse.
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Bragr
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Watch the interview, and don't read the skewed nonsense in the OP.
8BiTw0LF
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I did. Bought my first Macbook in 2005 and the first iPhone in 2008 - switched (back) to PC in 2012 and bought my first Android phone in 2013. I will never go back to Apple products.
In 2002 I bought the first Xbox and mained the brand until PS4 released. I will only "main" Xbox again if PlayStation stops producing consoles - and it will be strictly on PC, like I do now with Xbox games.
I've built a massive digital library on PS and it means a lot more than GamePass could ever offer. GamePass is great for renting games, but I will always be in favor of owning games - although it comes in at a higher pricepoint.
Heisenberg007
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This is from the Xcast interview.
Does this mean that Starfield was behind Redfall in terms of production milestones? But it's releasing only 4 months after Redfall.
Am I reading this correctly, as in this is a big slip/deal and can indicate that Starfield is also likely coming hot? Or am I totally misreading it and this bears no importance?
Does this mean that Starfield was behind Redfall in terms of production milestones? But it's releasing only 4 months after Redfall.
Am I reading this correctly, as in this is a big slip/deal and can indicate that Starfield is also likely coming hot? Or am I totally misreading it and this bears no importance?
I also wonder how much of this was Sony or even Nintendo forcing MS's hand? Maybe pushing out the console too fast to beat the PS to the market. It really felt/ feels like a rushed product and it would make sense if they are trying to beat Sony to peoples homes. They are still trying to catch up.
justiceiro
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I thought the thread title was hyperbolic, but holy moly, content it's somehow worse.
Why buy so many studios then? To close them?
Why buy so many studios then? To close them?
James Sawyer Ford
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killatopak
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Yeah i found that really disturbing. I hope he was saying some nonsense to reassure us about Starfield without even understanding the implications of what he was saying.This is from the Xcast interview.
Does this mean that Starfield was behind Redfall in terms of production milestones? But it's releasing only 4 months after Redfall.
Am I reading this correctly, as in this is a big slip/deal and can indicate that Starfield is also likely coming hot? Or am I totally misreading it and this bears no importance?
MasterCornholio
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I struggle to see how this interview is positive for Spencer. Seems like he's going through a lot of stress and there's some issues with Xbox. I don't really see this as being positive.
Luigi Mario
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He's been having a complete meltdown on Twitter for the last few days, people are even wondering if his account was compromised.
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Eiknarf
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And they need Hellblade Senua’s Saga to be great.
Heisenberg007
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So I'm not crazy (yet).
That's how I read it, and it's not good. I'm surprised nobody talked about it. Did everyone just miss it? (a big reason why I thought I was reading it incorrectly is because no one else talked about it).
If Starfield was behind Redfall in production and Redfall launched broken -- and required an additional 12-18 months of production at least -- how come Starfield is releasing in the next 4 months polished?!
Insane Metal
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What a fucking clown.
Nydius
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You just unlocked an old memory I forgot I had...
In the early years of Xbox Live, they actually did something like this. They had a card you could get -- and it was a nice ass card too, credit card quality with embossed stamping -- that had your Gamertag on it. It gave you discounts at participating retailers. I remember buying books at Borders and the card got me like 10-15% off.
I wish I could find it, it's even been memory holed on the internet. But it was a white plastic card with an orange center and it was available around the start of the X360 generation. It didn't last long because a lot of retailers had no clue WTF it was and wouldn't honor it.
Edit: Holy shit, I found a picture of one buried on Reddit!
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