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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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We agree..No disagreement from me just talking about character assets for npcs only.
That shot looks good but most shots doesnt look anywhere near that good in CP. The npcs look outdated in fidelity overall. Without PT to distact away from it they dont meet what I would call the standard for a modern npc asset quality. They have the number of details and a silhouette complexity of years past. It is what it is.
People saying that.... havent played PS2 in awhile.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I know they patched 60 but this game deserves a native ps5 update more than any other Sony game not named Bloodborne. LoU2 is Sony's magnum opus of technology. Dualsense support and a higher resolution (even if only 1660p) would elevate this game.
I said that and I stand by what I said. I did mention it is an exaggeration and I was just being hyperbolic for the fun of it. People need to chin up a bit
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It’s shocking that the show came and went and they still didn’t announce a ps5 native version.
They must be hard at work on their new projects and can’t be bothered.
I like how the guy's arms just go through the hair like it isn't even there. Is he a ghost?
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H . R . 2
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on a side note and as a fun fact, don't mean to sidetrack the discussion:
GTA 6 Development Budget Revealed
$1-2 billion
As first reported by Dexerto, Grand Theft Auto 6 apparently has a development budget of $1-2 billion.
This makes it the most expensive video game of all time, and by quite a distance
fingers crossed it will be a technical marvel the way RDR2 was when it was released
and while we are at it, how did Destiny cost $140mil ??
what exactly did that game bring to the table that could justify the inordinate amount of development cost?
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Horizon: Forbidden West : $110 million
GTA 6 Development Budget Revealed
$1-2 billion
As first reported by Dexerto, Grand Theft Auto 6 apparently has a development budget of $1-2 billion.
This makes it the most expensive video game of all time, and by quite a distance
fingers crossed it will be a technical marvel the way RDR2 was when it was released
and while we are at it, how did Destiny cost $140mil ??
what exactly did that game bring to the table that could justify the inordinate amount of development cost?
VS.
Horizon: Forbidden West : $110 million
focus on the hug, mateI like how the guy's arms just go through the hair like it isn't even there. Is he a ghost?
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vivftp
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There have been rumors from Tom Henderson in early 2022 that he heard about a TLOU 2 remaster/remake/director's cut being in the works. He more recently said he hasn't heard about that project in a while. It makes far more sense that Naughty Dog would time the release of the TLOU 2 PS5 version to release closer to season 2 of the HBO series, since season 2 and 3 are based off of TLOU 2. Plus of course TLOU 2 will be getting a PC version at some point, and that will naturally be based off the PS5 version rather than the PS4 version.
Sony seems to be very big on having gaming content to release within proximity to their transmedia efforts. The Uncharted movie had the Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection. TLOU HBO had the PS5 and PC release of TLOU Part 1. The Gran Turismo movie had the VR update for GT7, and quite possibly will have the PC release of the game as well. The Twisted Metal series has the Twisted Metal game currently in development at Firesprite. No doubt the Horizon Netflix series will have the Horizon Zero Dawn remaster/remake that was leaked. Not sure what the God of War Amazon series might have, maybe an updated version of GoW 2018, or maybe some DLC, who knows.
Anyways, point is that we should still fully expect an updated PS5/PC version of TLOU Part 2 to drop some time in the future. Next up though will be the TLOU Multiplayer game which we should see at the upcoming Showcase.
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ChiefDada
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Hmmm, don't you think a statement like this demands some additional context, especially in a thread titled "Graphical Fidelity I Expect this Gen"? I'm not saying your statement is wrong or right, but throw us a bone.
Lethal01
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If other companies were making games that were as good as this people would also be enjoying them for their art and gameplay instead of how many graphical checkboxes it ticks.
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Perhaps yes. But not in this thread lol.
If other companies were making games that were as good as this people would also be enjoying them for their art and gameplay instead of how many graphical checkboxes it ticks.
This thread is for graphic whores, we absolutely love those graphical checkboxes. And it’s what this thread is all about
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Yep. Fantastic stuff.
I know I mentioned the animations but I really meant the fidelity. I want a game with the fidelity of the video I posted lol. With insane hit reactions and weight to the combat.
Yeah but that's relative to the hardware they're running on, otherwise nothing outside of the highest-end PC games could be considered impressive.
Polygonal_Sprite
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No worries. It’s also a phenomenal game. Just finished it up before Zelda. A 9.5/10 for me. The best Star Wars game ever made and up there with some of the very best games of the past ten years imo.
The first one always felt a bit AA to me in terms of budget but a good game none the less. This is a proper AAA version of that which expands every facet of the original along with adding more optional content.
Polygonal_Sprite
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One thing I will say about Zelda is Nintendo deserve credit for focusing on expanding on an already amazing physics system for Tears of the Kingdom on 3 ARM cores at 1GHz lol. The lack of complex physics systems in PS4/XBO was never about CPU power it was that they wanted to focus on pushing visuals with every millisecond of render time possible.
I dream of current Horizon with the full on open World of Zelda with proper climbing.
I also dream of current Zelda with state of the art visuals and better core combat.
Maybe you can’t do both due to time. Who knows.
I dream of current Horizon with the full on open World of Zelda with proper climbing.
I also dream of current Zelda with state of the art visuals and better core combat.
Maybe you can’t do both due to time. Who knows.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I ended up buying it after reading your comment and I was very pleasantly surprised by how smooth and responsive it is in 30 fps. You were spot on!
No, at least the geometry requires nanite equivalent, and based on the leaks last September it's evolution of the current rockstar engine.
SlimySnake
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Have you seen the leaks? They were still using the GTAv character models, open world graphics and lighting in 2019. The game was being developed on ps4 dev kits.
It might end up looking on par with rdr2, maybe a little better but it will look a gen behind the matrix.
HighPoly
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What about Spider Man 2 ?? near to Matrix UE5 ??
ChiefDada
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Spider-Man 2 will look better than the Matrix demo.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Who knows. Probably not since the first trailer was native 4k. Matrix was 1080p at its lowest. That means all ten tflops went into increasing graphics fidelity. If insomniac targets native 4k then only 2.5 tflops would’ve gone into the actual graphics makeup of the game while the rest would’ve simply been used up on rendering 4x more pixels.
Basically something on par with demon souls and ratchet.
Of course things can change and maybe they are targeting 1440p 30 fps in their quality mode now.
Polygonal_Sprite
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Insomniac don’t do native 4k it’s temporal reprojection or some fancy term for checkerboard upscaling
It produces very good iq results though.I don’t think Spider-Man PS5 looks a million miles away from The Matrix when you consider you’re swinging through the city most of the time and I’m betting they’ve sped the traversal speed up for the sequel because of the SSD which means I think they’ll get pretty close with SM2. Obviously on close inspection it’s not going to hold up to Nanite’s insane geometric detail but in a game about fast traversal it matters little imo.
GTAVI will pleasantly surprise people visually I think. Not talking path tracing obviously but as always they will have a really great balance between art and tech while having what feels like a real, living, breathing World. Something 99% of open World games fail at. I think they’ll push physics systems further too as that’s what gets the games on the likes of tiktok etc.
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H . R . 2
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So... I just started RE4MAKE and finished the first chapter. the wonderful sense of nostalgia and the solid gameplay aside,
did you guys say you were impressed by the game's visuals?
because besides lighting which is impressive at times, the game does not look vastly superior to Village or RE2 for that matter.
the later chapters might be more visually pleasing, with all the rain and lighting tricks, as some have said on here,
but I guess it proves that the game is not at all visually consistent.
I will keep playing and enjoying the game for its robust gameplay but I was under the impression that this was the first "next-gen" demonstration of RE engine.
before the game was released, I criticised RE4make's lackluster use of RE engine in comparison with DMC V and RE2 and I was crucified for it.
but now I see that I was right all along and the game is not much more advanced than RE2
[at least on the surface] and is nowhere as "next-gen" as some said here
did you guys say you were impressed by the game's visuals?
because besides lighting which is impressive at times, the game does not look vastly superior to Village or RE2 for that matter.
the later chapters might be more visually pleasing, with all the rain and lighting tricks, as some have said on here,
but I guess it proves that the game is not at all visually consistent.
I will keep playing and enjoying the game for its robust gameplay but I was under the impression that this was the first "next-gen" demonstration of RE engine.
before the game was released, I criticised RE4make's lackluster use of RE engine in comparison with DMC V and RE2 and I was crucified for it.
but now I see that I was right all along and the game is not much more advanced than RE2
[at least on the surface] and is nowhere as "next-gen" as some said here
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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Dmcv is not exactly more advanced than this game even tho I agree re4 is def not next gen. Maybe PC version is just that much better than PS5. Btw they seem to have cleaned up the ps5 versions iq to where it looks the same as the SX demo.
H . R . 2
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I am actually playing on PC with everything maxed out, except maybe for the textures which are at High [3 gig]
still not the next-gen looker I was told it would be
p.s. some of the textures and character models in DMCV are just insanely detailed but even Leon in RE4MAKE lacks enough facial detail
something I could never complain about with DMCV
here's Leon in a cutscene
here's Dante in a cutscene
I know it comes down to the devs and talent but still ...
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ratchet and miles’ Fidelity modes were native 4k.Insomniac don’t do native 4k it’s temporal reprojection or some fancy term for checkerboard upscaling
I don’t think Spider-Man PS5 looks a million miles away from The Matrix when you consider you’re swinging through the city most of the time and I’m betting they’ve sped the traversal speed up for the sequel because of the SSD which means I think they’ll get pretty close with SM2. Obviously on close inspection it’s not going to hold up to Nanite’s insane geometric detail but in a game about fast traversal it matters little imo.
GTAVI will pleasantly surprise people visually I think. Not talking path tracing obviously but as always they will have a really great balance between art and tech while having what feels like a real, living, breathing World. Something 99% of open World games fail at. I think they’ll push physics systems further too as that’s what gets the games on the likes of tiktok etc.
Their performance modes use the temporal injection tech that they used in the pro versions of the ratchet remake and the first Spider-Man.
I would love to see them use the ps5 ssd tech but after seeing nd, ssm, gg and polyphony digital phone in their games last year, I’m not going to hope for the best. GG and ND had the opportunity to release next Gen only games and couldn’t do much with it. At some point unless you completely overhaul your engine with next Gen paradigms, you are going to end up bottlenecking yourself with last Gen engines like the forspoken devs and GG did with the burning shores dlc i.e, pop in galore, slow flying speeds etc.
I’m sure gta6 will be the most detailed game ever. I still get YouTube videos of details in rdr2 Recommended to me. Stuff like farmers nailing fences, people eating food and their plates updating in real-time, trees being cut and their textures being animated as they are slowly chopped. But those require manpower and i don’t find stuff like that impressive anymore. You need 3000 devs to do stuff like that and while rockstar has them, id rather see simulations that i can manipulate and play around with. Some dude meticulously animating nails going into fences with every hammer hit isn’t something i can actually play around with.
GymWolf
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What video?
GymWolf
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No, one is a tech demo, the other is probably gonna be the most realistic open world ever with thousands of microdetails and simulation.
I expect some things to look better like the random car damage system and maybe the npcs in the street.
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Just destroying everything in its path. Nothing is competing with this.
The link isnt loading what is it horizon?
M1987
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Yeah
What's impressive about it?
Pollux
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And this is running on a PS5 - jesus, I need to pick one of those up.Even the "foam of the waves" is in 3D, not just a texture
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Without sounding hyperbolic... Quite literally everything.
From the water, the foam on the water, the clouds, the rock textures, the lighting, the way the water splashes create mist as it hits the rocks.
Are we seeing the same gif here?
I am FOAMING at this foam.
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HighPoly
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yep, the most important thing is physics and A.I
I mean, i'm totally tired of dumb NPCs and arcade physics, and I wish this game have at least the same Red Dead 2 graphics, Am I exagerating ??