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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen

I just watched the 4K trailer and now im even more disappointed. I think i just expected too much from Insomniac after there solid cross gen SM:MM and R&C. I mean just look at this, i hope this shit is still unfinished because it looks average for a PS5 only Sony exclusive
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There should be no question that Spidey 2 looks way better than Miles Morales yet I can find screenshots from MM that look better than those screens
 
I just watched the 4K trailer and now im even more disappointed. I think i just expected too much from Insomniac after there solid cross gen SM:MM and R&C. I mean just look at this, i hope this shit is still unfinished because it looks average for a PS5 only Sony exclusive
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I'm sure my memory is playing tricks on me but I swear to god this looks worse than Miles Morales.
 
I just watched the 4K trailer and now im even more disappointed. I think i just expected too much from Insomniac after there solid cross gen SM:MM and R&C. I mean just look at this, i hope this shit is still unfinished because it looks average for a PS5 only Sony exclusive


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Look at the texture resolution on the roadside pavement slab...yikes!

The second shot however, the water + lighting actually look really gorgeous.

As i said before, I don't think my mind will be blown but I do expect this game to be much more polished and better looking by launch.
 

SABRE220

Member
As far as "next gen"? Yeah, I WAS right. These consoles don't have the juice to pull it off.

Dragons Dogma was chugging. Spiderman 2 was running at 30 fps and as I predicted, doesn't look much better than Miles Morales let alone Ratchet (which might even be more impressive-i need to rewatch Spiderman 2 at 4k still). Alan Wake 2 seems like it'll be a looker but not in a "this is next gen" way.

We do need a PS5 pro. Where was Death Stranding 2? Any update from Naughty Dog? I was really hoping for a ps5 update to Last of Us 2.

That Ninja game looked OK but is anyone else getting a little bit sick of the same old Japanese/Chinese action games?

Spiderman 2- is it better in 4k?
Its not about hardware juice...these consoles are a bigger jump than xbox360 to xbox one. Xbox 360 was around 350gflops compared to xbox ones 1.2 tflops a 4x jump....the cpus were pathetic and it was bandwidth limited. The series x is a 10x gpu upgrade with a vastly superior cpu and good bandwidth with amazing ssds...you could give these devs double the horsepower and they would squander it. I dont know what went wrong this gen but the devs clearly have become less ambitious and have dropped standards. They have no incentive to push tech anymore sadly .
 
Its not about hardware juice...these consoles are a bigger jump than xbox360 to xbox one. Xbox 360 was around 350gflops compared to xbox ones 1.2 tflops a 4x jump....the cpus were pathetic and it was bandwidth limited. The series x is a 10x gpu upgrade with a vastly superior cpu and good bandwidth with amazing ssds...you could give these devs double the horsepower and they would squander it. I dont know what went wrong this gen but the devs clearly have become less ambitious and have dropped standards. They have no incentive to push tech anymore sadly .

Probably because gamers standards have dropped, the games still sell gangbusters, and every game has had an army of fanboy defenders no matter if it's visuals were underwhelming
 

SABRE220

Member


Looks pretty decent, not as good as I thought upon first watch. God Im disappointed.

Yeah looks quite good like a slightly upgraded quantum break with good resolution and mixed with tlou2 artsyle. Considering quantum break was hell of a looker thats a compliment but as a next gen exclusive showcase, yeah better to keep expectations in check this gen. I remember devs hyping us befor this gens launch saying we would get games close to assassins creed 2 cgi trailers lol.
 
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01011001

Banned
You and forspoken man! :] Seriously though at least Forspoken didnt set up our expectations...excuse me let me watch videos of ps3 and ps4 showcases. Gow3 ,killzone2, shadowfall,rdr2 and so many more....what happened.

we hit the limits of rasterised graphics... I've been preaching this for years, I've been saying since forever that crossgen isn't holding back graphics in a meaningful way.
in fact it's the other way around! because games can be scaled back so easily the cross gen period is as long as it is.

that whole "oh they have to release on last gen because install base" was nonsense that I called out early on.
these consoles sold faster than their predecessors, and those had dozens of exclusive games withing a month.

cross gen existed for as long as it did because the only meaningful new hardware features these consoles have over last gen is RT acceleration and primitive shaders.
both of which aren't crucial features for any game currently in development.

Mortal Kombat 1, a brand new fighting game 3 years into the generation, will release on Switch.
the small amount of new gpu features and the state of extremely diminishing returns make this possible.

Spiderman 2, Alan Wake 2, MGS3... they all could be ported to last gen if the publishers deemed it worth to spend money on porting them.
 
This conference put the nail in the coffin for this generation. Also is very upsetting that Sony only showed ONE single player story driven PS5 only game!

What the actual fuck.

So now we Microsoft basically saying their only focus is GamePass and Sony saying their focus is GaaS.

I know that business changes and companies have to adapt, but the direction gaming has gone in this gen and what looks to be the next 10-20 years is a bummer if you're like me who cares primarily about single player games!
Nintendo.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sadly youre right, any one who dared to question the ambition of remakes and cross gen games was hounded out on social media...
Probably because gamers standards have dropped, the games still sell gangbusters, and every game has had an army of fanboy defenders no matter if it's visuals were underwhelming
I’ve been called every name under the Sun for simply asking for next Gen visuals these last few years. These are guys i was friendly with but they turned on me as soon as i demanded more from my favorite studios.

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Some guy just said this to me and has apparently said this to me before. I just laughed but this has been a constant thing on gaf and era. At least on gaf I’m allowed to continue voicing my disapproval whereas on era they banned me despite 20k posts stanning for PlayStation studios.

This happens for Xbox studios, Nintendo studios and any big third party dev with a following. Criticism isn’t allowed. People are bullied into shutting up which is why three years after launch we can’t produce a game that looks as good as the first ue5 demo.

On Twitter, the devs hide behind their army of fanboys who shut down any criticism from people who ask for more. Nd devs cried because we called them out on not including dodge and prone. Then found sympathy from fanboys and went into their bubble instead of checking themselves and improving.

If they can’t even see criticism how will they improve let alone innovate? Forget graphics, there were no next Gen physics, destruction or simulations. Zelda is more impressive than anything shown at the conference today. Just think about that.
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
The stupid 60fps race did that.
Devs are afraid to push tech because even if their game is beautiful, it will get destroyed like plague tale.
People are so stubborn with this and that all played 30fps while last gen fine.

And everyone disregards 40fps. Imo this is the good middle ground
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
In motion the Spider Man 2 water sequence looked pretty good. Had to do multiple double takes watching the rest.

Yes the traversal was excellent and current gen worthy, but not nearly enough current gen moments from a top PS studio and considering how little they've shared with us. It was an L presentation based on surrounding context.


Only thing I can think of is they are still polishing. Still doesn't excuse what they presented us. Do I think it will remain looking like this? No, but it's on Insomniac to have the goods ready by the first showcase in nearly 2 years. Only one premier studio was showed up and this is what they gave us.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Alright this game is looking pretty damn good. Her jacket material specifically looks next gen.

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Looks on par with TLOU2. Doesnt matter. Nothing at the show featured any kind of next gen gameplay we were expecting.
No I won't. I think the PS Showcase was utter trash for those of us who wanted to see first party games. Sony gets an F- today. Unquestionably their worst showcase to date.

As it relates to Spiderman 2. Yep, 95% of it was very underwhelming and as TheRedRiders TheRedRiders said it looks to be unpolished. The only next gen I really noticed was the traversal - I thought the water chase with the speed looked reallu good. But yeah, overall this was a huge disappointment.

Pic of my dinner that I thought I was preparing for some of y'all.
Good man. No need to serve yourself crow. This isnt on you. You just had faith in these lazy devs who are too busy jerking each other off on twitter instead of actually doing their job.
 

mrqs

Member
Clearly, the "next-gen jump" will take even longer.

I'm really disappointed in Spider-Man 2, because it doesn't stand out that much. I was expecting to see a glimpse of a full-blown PS5 exclusive with some time to cook, but it seems that we will have to wait one more year.

This is by far the most boring new generation ever. Tears of the Kingdom feels more next-gen to me than most games released. The physics there are unmatched.

I think the jump will be undeniable, but we'll have to wait until 2025 for it to be fully delivered.
 

GooseMan69

Member
Fuck it. Next Gen is never coming.

Most disappointing console generation ever. That dumpster fire of a showcase just solidified that for me.

Friendly reminder that we had motherfucking Metal Gear Solid 4 at this point in the PS3s life cycle, with Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 on the horizon.
 
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ChiefDada

Gold Member
I'm looking at this trailer over and over again and I simply don't understand what the hell they were thinking. There are multiple instances where the environments and characters actually looks worse than Miles Morales. I'm not kidding. Clearly the game isn't ready but why put this out there? I think back to the first gameplay trailer from Miles Morales which was over a year before PS launch and it looked amazing. Here with SM2 we have at most 6 months from supposed launch. This is the best vertical slice they have to offer 6months until release? This is so confusing.

Edit: correction miles morales gameplay was 2 months prior to release but still what they have available to show should be orders of magnitude better.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
What the hell is this shit, it looks worse than the original PS4.
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How???
This part actually looked good. The rest looked pretty meh.

I just think that they dont get it. They basically tried to do what they did in 2017 with a setpiece heavy demo. What worked 6 years ago wont work today and it shows. everyone snoozed through that QTE fest. no one cares about setpieces that play themselves. we wanted to see next gen physics and simulations. give me organic sandbox dynamic gameplay. zelda takes a big shit on this demo and it looks like shit.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
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Where my mind immediately went when I saw this:

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nah, its not that bad. At least the enemies cast shadows in Spiderman.

but this, this just might be their craig moment.

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Good reflections on buildings though. Nice boost to traversal speeds but the pop-in is there which i really hope they fix by launch otherwise whats the point of all that cerny IO?

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Well fellas, in 24hrs we will be seeing things that will really change the tone of this thread forever. Convert nonbelievers that will finally see the light, or disappoint those like myself who believe that the current gen consoles are capable of CG like visuals. It's been a long time coming and an absolute pleasure discussing and debating with everyone. Now that we're on the eve of the PS showcase, I feel a bit sad to say goodbye to the mystery of what the current gen will bring us. It made for great conversation! Anyways, I hope you all loaded up on your favorite snacks and drinks. See you guys on the other side!

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nah, its not that bad. At least the enemies cast shadows in Spiderman.

but this, this just might be their craig moment.

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Good reflections on buildings though. Nice boost to traversal speeds but the pop-in is there which i really hope they fix by launch otherwise whats the point of all that cerny IO?

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Remember when we were all wondering if it would look like that Spiderman 2 reveal/teaser? It doesn't. I just watched this in 4k and honestly, I can't tell the difference between this and Miles Morales
 
I'm looking at this trailer over and over again and I simply don't understand what the hell they were thinking. There are multiple instances where the environments and characters actually looks worse than Miles Morales. I'm not kidding. Clearly the game isn't ready but why put this out there? I think back to the first gameplay trailer from Miles Morales which was over a year before PS launch and it looked amazing. Here with SM2 we have at most 6 months from supposed launch. This is the best vertical slice they have to offer 6months until release? This is so confusing.

Edit: correction miles morales gameplay was 2 months prior to release but still what they have available to show should be orders of magnitude better.

I REALLY REALLY hope this gets delayed to 2024 now. This ain't what we should be getting from a PS5 Spiderman sequel!

I'm also kinda hoping this is cross gen though I'll be furious with Sony if it is.

Can we finally admit tho that this gen is a complete failure in terms of graphics?
 

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I'm looking at this trailer over and over again and I simply don't understand what the hell they were thinking. There are multiple instances where the environments and characters actually looks worse than Miles Morales. I'm not kidding. Clearly the game isn't ready but why put this out there?
Its because the general public doesn't care about graphics anymore. Look at this forum.

You have members actively clowning people for caring about graphics.
Look at Twitter. You have 90% of the audience just satisfied with 60FPS PS4 looking games.

Look at the reaction to the Matrix demo. Instead of people saying "wow, this looks incredible, and a real advancement in fidelity." they instead shamed it for not being 60fps.

So Developers, and publishers have taken that feedback (because they DO listen), and said, "ok, we will just continue to make PS4 looking games, not bother with fidelity, and just make every game 40 hours long, so you feel like you're getting value.... But you'll have a performance mode!"

Look at the reaction to literally every one of my threads. I show some emotion for the state of PlayStation leadership when it comes to AAA First Party. First response is some fucking clown calling me Retarded. As if the show was amazing or something. Next thing you know the thread is deleted. You aren't allowed any criticism. And its not just here. Its Era. Its Twitter. Its Reddit.

People have gotten so fucking worried to be labeled a "console warrior" that it kills their ability to deliver any form of criticism. Everything is fine. PS4 looking games at 60fps is fine

Make a thread about your thoughts on the industry and its "touch grass".

Look at the reaction to my thread where I said, "devs should try their hand at shorter AAA games". Everyone was up in arms. They must have their 30 hour AAA experiences, or it isn't "valuable" to them. God forbid a developer try a new approach, right? Are you not all grossly tired of these derivative, bloated ass 50 hour open world games? Would you not welcome some quality 6 hour experiences at 1/4 the price?

Gamers are a whiney bunch, but they don't complain about anything other than framerate and "value". Its 60fps, $70 dollar games and micro-transactions. Thats it. Those are the only thing that seems to bother anyone.

You NEVER see articles calling out the lack of destruction.
You NEVER see articles about how AI has been stagnant for 20+ years,
You NEVER see articles on the lack of graphical progression,
You NEVER see articles over the lack of new ideas.
You NEVER see articles calling out indie/AA games for making identical games with identical art styles.

Seriously, can you show me one article?

But yet, the instant RedFall was shown to be just 30fps, the entire industry, and gamers everywhere... Gave them hell.

Where the fuck is that same energy for literally anything else?

Drives me insane.

You have top journalists literally out here telling devs pushing graphical fidelity is a waste of money.



Folks, we have to make more noise.
 
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