ChorizoPicozo
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Naughty Dog Announces Development Delay on TLoU MP (MP Dev Team 'Significantly Scaled Down,' Bloomberg Reports)
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Who was the other Co-director?
Maybe this is the issue with ND. They have about 10 dick heads seemingly in charge
Yoboman
Member
I dunno what you're on about
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Which is worse?
A) Scrap a project you have sunk millions of dollars into and years of peoples lives
B) Push it out the door and recover some of whats lost
Both tactics get destroyed by us
near
Gold Member
I don't think any should be shitting on Sony for this. They should be shitting on Naughty Dog's awful output and terrible management. The same way Square Enix gets with all the projects they've had that went through development hell. Except all I'm reading in here is how proficient they've been and how this isn't actually a sign of development hell.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Good. ND has never been great at MP.
Let them focus on SP instead
Hope Bungie cleans up and cancels a bunch of these GaaS titles that are likely to fail
Let them focus on SP instead
Hope Bungie cleans up and cancels a bunch of these GaaS titles that are likely to fail
ChorizoPicozo
Member
David Jaffe should know
feynoob
Banned
That is not what I mean.
The game will face strong competition once it get released, due to the amount of live service games.
Unlike SP games, live service games depends on userbase. So you need to fight for userbase and retain those userbase, otherwise you wont be able to sustain your game in the long term.
To do that, you need to have the content that can attract them and make your game stand out against the rest.
Revolutionary
Member
Naughty Dog must have really optimized their development pipeline, because Naughty Dog usually fucks up their multiplayer a few months after release, not before...
Represent.
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sendit
Member
Yet.....Bungie is making Marathon. An Extraction Shooter Looter.
Jaybe
Member
It’s a shame multiplayer has become synonymous with GaaS. Developers used to be able to put out a fun multiplayer mode alongside their singleplayer game. Then maybe drop some new maps or weapons or modes over time, or not. Players that likes it found it fun, it kept people from trading in the games and they stayed subscribed to Live/Plus.
sainraja
Member
Could be that or now that Sony has Bungie, they decided to leverage Bungie's expertise with what they were attempting to do with The Last of Us.
coffinbirth
Member
Bleeding talent like a stuck pig certainly hasn't helped them. That is a known issue. The junior/senior ratio and extensive contract work the last few years makes all of this quite obvious that those listed efficiencies are a thing of the past.
GHG
Member
Like I said already in other threads, Sony are morons.
Why are you making teams who have pretty much perfected a certain style of game and putting them on GAAS crap?
Also making good and successful GAAS games is not easy or cheap. 99% fail, you need to get lucky to be successful. Fornite becoming what it has is pure luck combined with right time right place. The game wasn't even intended to be what it's become.
Jim Ryan and Hulst are wasting everyones time, this will be Playstation's Halo Infinite.
Why are you making teams who have pretty much perfected a certain style of game and putting them on GAAS crap?
Also making good and successful GAAS games is not easy or cheap. 99% fail, you need to get lucky to be successful. Fornite becoming what it has is pure luck combined with right time right place. The game wasn't even intended to be what it's become.
Jim Ryan and Hulst are wasting everyones time, this will be Playstation's Halo Infinite.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Facing strong competition is obvious. A big reason why many live service games fail is because the game is not that good. At the very least, you want veterans of the industry to look over the project to make sure you're headed int he right direction.
Fabieter
Member
Yea every gaas is for longtime success, how can they extract as much money as possible instead of just giving a good multiplayer experience. I definitely don't care for this game anymore. What a waste.
coffinbirth
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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So they're increasing their investments in GaaS products..
They have this GaaS product in development for a long time, in one of the most popular IP they own..
So they scale down the dev team?
They have this GaaS product in development for a long time, in one of the most popular IP they own..
So they scale down the dev team?
hyperbertha
Member
I hope they inadvertently cancel all the gaas that will succeed and greenlight the ones that will fail. Bunkrupt all gaas studios.
Tripolygon
Banned
You don't need all hands-on deck to reassess a game. You only need a small team to figure out what is working and what isn't and then you bring the entire team together to implement the changes.So they're increasing their investments in GaaS products..
They have this GaaS product in development for a long time, in one of the most popular IP they own..
So they scale down the dev team?
GHG
Member
Crispy Gamer
Member
It's more like:
A) delayed the game
B) just pushing it out the door to recoup
C) do both
VN1X
Banned
You'd have a point if we weren't spoilt for choice with games already.
I don't know where some of you find the time lol.
GHG
Member
BRUH
Nice Money and time waste Jimbo and Hermen, was worth to close Japan studio for this Crap... or not
Let it get cancelled.
The only team that should be allowed to have any GAAS projects is Bungie, just leave them be and let them do what they do best.
Everyone else? All hands on deck on singleplayer experiences, stick to what you're good at.
A big part of it is that this project shouldn't even exist in the first place.
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daclynk
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who cares Sony is selling PS5 units and making money and its going to make more money from those Live Service games. I here for it. but i hope those GAAS game are games of the Generations as they BELIEVED IN GENERATIONS as JIMBO SAID. Im still waiting for those Generation Defining games. Its almost 3yrs and a pro is also coming. Where are the Games?
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
always felt that this was vaporware , dont care about multiplayer stuff so no loss for me
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feynoob
Banned
Naughty dog wasted time making this game, instead of making new game or the last of us 3.
Either of those would have been better option, as it saves time for devs.
Games these days take time and you need to have the time. Working other projects delays your other projects even further. Especially, when games are taking 4-5 years.
Crimson_Fate
Member
I am never playing any live service games, what a waste of talent . Just release a better factions and stop this nonsense.
semiconscious
Member
well, i'd say it's just as likely that they 'didn't know how to'? that seemed to be bungie's take:
Fake
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
How long do you think that shit is going to go on if Sony continually shit the bed out of greed?
The answer is not as long as you’d think.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
that could be it
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
It's time for Sony to completely re-evaluate their live-service/GaaS approach. Something has clearly gone wrong.
They should've started small and then grew into it; instead they went too big too quickly. They made the same mistakes that Microsoft made when they jumped head-first into Day 1 on PC for all 1P games, and all games in Game Pass Day 1. Too big, too quickly.
The good news is that maybe this gets Naughty Dog and the other marquee non-GaaS teams off of GaaS projects. Sony would be better off having Bungie, Haven and Firewalk handle those games, and hiring outside 3P devs to do others, but NOT all at once. The marquee studios clearly have styles and approaches that suit non-GaaS titles, why bog them down making GaaS games?
Yeah you can have them pitch in on those titles with a few members, provide some expertise and resources, but that should be the extent of it.
They should've started small and then grew into it; instead they went too big too quickly. They made the same mistakes that Microsoft made when they jumped head-first into Day 1 on PC for all 1P games, and all games in Game Pass Day 1. Too big, too quickly.
The good news is that maybe this gets Naughty Dog and the other marquee non-GaaS teams off of GaaS projects. Sony would be better off having Bungie, Haven and Firewalk handle those games, and hiring outside 3P devs to do others, but NOT all at once. The marquee studios clearly have styles and approaches that suit non-GaaS titles, why bog them down making GaaS games?
Yeah you can have them pitch in on those titles with a few members, provide some expertise and resources, but that should be the extent of it.
Yoboman
Member
Jaffe isn't a reliable source on Naughty Dogs employment situations lol, and even if Neil's employment is through sub contracting what does that have to do with him leaving? For most people sub contracting just means they can manage their tax affairs and gain a bunch of employment benefits through their.own LLC. He was promoted to co-President after TLOU2 came out, he just started a new project.Game Devs Getting MAD!+What's Bugging Sessler?+2023 CHANGES For Gaming!
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around the 22 minutes mark
waiting for your apology laughing man.
Puscifer
Member
Just going to add originally that the tweet saying "it grew beyond our original scope" should've rang alarm bells. It was screaming feature creep and it literally said so, they should've just cut the shit out and just improved on what they had. Or 2, a Fortnite style map that plays host to whatever you want to do with it. This sounds like it's a brand new game at this point and I think it's not worth waiting for, cancel it and let's move on.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Well I hope in this case that means if there were aggressive monetization schemes being implemented, they are being stripped out. Even if that requires a delay to do so, it's better than putting a game out there that just comes off as insanely greedy and gating the vast majority of good content behind additional paywalls.
Although it would still be emblematic IMO that Sony have jumped into GaaS too fast too quickly, it'd at least signify they are making efforts to correct the mistakes before they take root among the gaming public.
near
Gold Member
Scale it down how? Just 11 months ago Druckmann:
'This game is big as big as any of our single player games'
Jibran#one
Member
Tlou part 2 was a good game but honestly I don't want part 3
Make a new IP ffs
Make a new IP ffs
chromatic9
Member
Get back to Game as a game instead of Game as a shit.