Wait till launch and DF vids, then we can judge finished product, atm it does look good but ofc not gamebreaking good, its work in progress still.
You're only proving my point. Sm2 is ps5. There is no excuse for looking worse than unity. Raytracing is supposed to make games look better. If it's eating into resources too much at the expense of visuals they should have axed it.
Congratulations you have explained that water doesnt always produce a clean specular reflection and is often diffuse to the point of being practicly invisible....and yet I would love to see you explain why that would happen down near the water at an almost parrellel angle and that that there doesnt seem to be much reflections at all?How Manhattan bay looks at a normal day
*Really disappointed at God for not using RT reflections at the water, lazy developer i guess.
How it look likes in a rainy day
*Again no RT on water, real life is a downgrade from SM1
How ppl think it looks every day
PS5 rt capabilities are relatively low, and yup, even bit of rt makes substantial decrease in power avaiable for anything else, RT is still very new and expensive shit, u can expect really good RT on ps6, till then it will have very strong effect on power avaiable for rest of the graphics.
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and some others have theorised that FF16 looks like it began life as a cross gen game because of how unimpressive character models and lighting looks, we finally have this confirmed by the game's producer (PS4 version was cut at some point). Yet just like this time many people here were defending FF16 and saying that graphics were impressive. Spiderman 2 looks like another one that could have began life as a cross gen game and then became exclusive to PS5, literally everything points to it. Remember, when development for Spiderman 2 began Sony was still very focused on cross gen as their strategy with their big games.
I remember in the wake of Craig memes and the terrible first showing of Halo Infinite there was a group of Xbox guys who were in denial and defended the game's graphics, it's exactly what this is feels like from some hardcore Sony guys. The only thing is though, defending Halo made more sense (however wrong it was) because it was a cross gen game, but defending a next gen only like Spiderman 2 is just inexcusable. After
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was 100% right. look at that gif of spider man 1 vs 2, the explosions and pretty much everything are identical. Its pretty damn bad tbh and Sony does deserve heat over this. We've had years of hype and waiting on what the PS5 can do when it loses the shackles of last gen. We are 3 years in and this is what we get, a pure downgrade from the initial trailer.
No. You need to build with 4k assets even if you upscale. These consoles are much better than pc are handling high res assets with good io and one vram pool
That's really disappointing some come here and attack me and I am a big sony fan , but this showcase and Spiderman 2 gameplay really disappointed me as hellI remember in the wake of Craig memes and the terrible first showing of Halo Infinite there was a group of Xbox guys who were in denial and defended the game's graphics, it's exactly what this is feels like from some hardcore Sony guys. The only thing is though, defending Halo made more sense (however wrong it was) because it was a cross gen game, but defending a next gen only like Spiderman 2 is just inexcusable. After
I really hope that I will ending wrong, and the game will look good at launch
There's absolutely no way they can put out a massive sequel like this only 3 years after MM unless it was an asset flip of previous games built on the same tech. Not even Rockstar with its thousands of devs can put out a game built from ground up for new consoles within 3 years.
Ah yes, the super risky IP that is Spiderman, pushing fidelity in this unknown niche ip would clearly be too much of a risk. With a large amount of the assets being reused, barely any significant engine improvements, and a plethora of visual bugs and inconsistencies unlike past games clearly this is something that must be encouraged and accepted. Noone would be crying if this game got moved to 2024 if it allowed for actual significant upgrades.
Firstly let's judge the final build before we conclude there are a plethora of bugs and inconsistencies. Secondly despite all that asset reuse, it's still taken 5 years from Spiderman PS4 in 2018 to Spiderman 2 on PS5. Is a 6, 7 or 8 year dev cycle worth it just to get the same game you'll be getting in a few months where every pointless texture and asset is upgraded?
Are u fing kidding me? You think sm2 is better than unity on visuals?
Thats performance after the patch, can get well over 4k60 maxed, including RT now, if ur pc is top of the line(aka 400$+ cpu and 1600$+ gpu).
Horizon Forbidden west also doesn’t use widespread RT like Spider-man 2. If I recall correctly. The game uses RT but at a much smaller scale.Horizon Forbidden West is an exception to be honest. No game or studio has been able to match that. And in Spider-Man 2's defense, HFW does not have as fast of a traversal system as can be seen in Spider-Man 2. SM 2's is magnitude faster.
As for your 1st point, I wholeheartedly disagree. The game is a significant improvement over even the PS5 Remastered version of Spider-Man, let alone the PS4 version.
The draw distance, lighting, details, foliage, density: everything is up even when compared to Spider-Man PS5.
Bonus shot that I loved:
it don't use rt reflection but it uses way better global illumination and very high quality models and in burning shores it uses high end geometry technology , even we don't know exactly if hfw uses some sort RT in some elements or not , i remember digital foundry said that gow ragnarok don't using rt in ps5 which ends up wrong in last gdc when sony santa confirmed that they using some sort of hardware rt reflections in ps5 version
Now THIS kind of argument I can behind. But then the question arises, why did horizon look way better than sm2? Also if they couldn't get dynamic to look good, why didn't they choose other options that will let them prebake lighting? Because achieving current standards in graphics is more important than a dynamic Tod imo.People need to understand that the reason AC: Unity still looks great is its pre-baked lighting. Without RTGI/RTAO, games with a dynamic time of day will NOT look as impressive as it did. All the problems of previous-gen games (that used dynamic/real-time time of day) will still be present in current-gen games. That's the biggest issue of the rasterized real-time time of day. Pre-baked lighting is still king. This is why The Last of Us (both Part I and II) still look great. It's also why Dead Island 2 looks like a next-gen game (compared to other games that release on current-gen only platforms). Unless games start taking advantage of RTGI (or Lumen in UE5), we'll be getting inconsistent visuals. Seriously, look how stunning Dead Island 2 can actually look.
that's exactly what i said in in my first post, sony first party studios act with ray tracing global illumination like something they don't know about i understand that game like hfw not using it because of it being cross gen title however, guriella use very advanced pre baked lighting and global illumination for hfw ps5 version which really very close to rt global illumination on the other hand spider man 2 gameplay don't use any RTGI or advanced GI like hfw which really disappointed alongside other things like models qualityPeople need to understand that the reason AC: Unity still looks great is its pre-baked lighting. Without RTGI/RTAO, games with a dynamic time of day will NOT look as impressive as it did. All the problems of previous-gen games (that used dynamic/real-time time of day) will still be present in current-gen games. That's the biggest issue of the rasterized real-time time of day. Pre-baked lighting is still king. This is why The Last of Us (both Part I and II) still look great. It's also why Dead Island 2 looks like a next-gen game (compared to other games that release on current-gen only platforms). Unless games start taking advantage of RTGI (or Lumen in UE5), we'll be getting inconsistent visuals. Seriously, look how stunning Dead Island 2 can actually look.
maybe 4k , but ray tracing is actually good if used correctly , remember ray tracing effects only can make game from ps2 era looks like ps5 game,
I am five with using pre baked lighting. Offline rendered shadow maps and rtgi still looks better than what we can achieve in real timePeople need to understand that the reason AC: Unity still looks great is its pre-baked lighting. Without RTGI/RTAO, games with a dynamic time of day will NOT look as impressive as it did. All the problems of previous-gen games (that used dynamic/real-time time of day) will still be present in current-gen games. That's the biggest issue of the rasterized real-time time of day. Pre-baked lighting is still king. This is why The Last of Us (both Part I and II) still look great. It's also why Dead Island 2 looks like a next-gen game (compared to other games that release on current-gen only platforms). Unless games start taking advantage of RTGI (or Lumen in UE5), we'll be getting inconsistent visuals. Seriously, look how stunning Dead Island 2 can actually look.
Wolverine will be an interesting project for Insomniac. Best case scenario, it elevates the studio and forces the Spider-Man creative team to up their game.
I think they turned into ubisoft, and Spiderman is their asscreed. Reusing assets, no engine differences, and if I'm right, wolverine will share engine and gameplay similarities with Spiderman.
they were good with quick development cycles in the past also i don't know where the narrative that spider man 2 have short development cycle come from , insomniac have 2 teams and the one behind Spiderman not working on any thing other than spider man 2 since September 2018 which mean spider man 2 is under development since at least 4 and half years which is not by any mean short development cycle
They were releasing DLCs up until December 2018.
Nah, that's just Linneman being Linneman unironically missing the joke.The people complaining about Spider-Man 2 visuals:
No 4 years are pretty match enough to make good game with current standards even also spiderman 2 when it releases it would take about 5 years
The minute you pulled out the performance card is you admitting that you already lost. It doesn't matter if Unity was 1fps. Performance has nothing to do with Graphics period.
And somes come here defend themReal:
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Shameless bullshots. I thought BS were done with this gen. No need for them.
I highly doubt we will get RT gi on consoles this gen, the only rt that makes a difference. Instead consoles will waste most resources on pointless rt reflections and shadows.
RT reflections are really good in Spiderman games and beneficial, they do elevate the graphics. Its the perfect game to use them because of the tall flat buidlings with lots of reflective materials and surfaces.
RT reflections are really good in Spiderman games and beneficial, they do elevate the graphics. Its the perfect game to use them because of the tall flat buidlings with lots of reflective materials and surfaces.
After CP2077 i want them both, but yeah RTGI in dynamic games has more dramatic impact. But i just wanted to point out that the RT reflections are actually really good in Spiderman and they make the game look really nice.
