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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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feynoob

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Yeap they will close the deal. Eventually cma will approve but they will close the deal. It is done!
You are right. My manager called me and said that the contract with mia khalifa is approved.
It seems the CMA liked my proposal and wished me a happy weekend with mia.

Well pack it up boys. I am going on hot steemy date night with mia khalifa.

P.s. for legal reasons, I have to state that nothing series will happen between us. Otherwise, I am violating CMA contract.
 

Drell

Member
From MLex

- Microsoft executives are actively looking at ways to close the acquisition despite a UK veto on the deal, MLex has learned.

- The CMA currently has an interim order in place preventing Microsoft from acquiring "an interest in Activision or any of its subsidiaries." It is likely to make that permanent very soon.

- The surprise speed of the CAT appeal process may dampen any calls within the company for it to close the deal regardless of the UK block.

- "Our priority is pursuing the appeal process in the UK, and we remain committed to constructive dialogue and solutions to address regulatory concerns," a Microsoft spokesperson said today.

- Microsoft has hired extra lawyers and has tasked some with examining how it could close the Activision deal, MLex understands.

- One option could include Activision exiting the UK for another European country in a bid to remove itself from the CMA's jurisdiction. Its games could continue to be sold via a distributor. One rub is that any such decision must be taken by Activision to avoid breaching merger laws that stipulate that merging companies must be managed separately and independently until they actually close.

- Another option could see Microsoft extend remedies given to and accepted by the European Commission to the UK unilaterally, even though they were rejected as insufficient by the CMA.

- The company is also actively contesting the CMA's draft order that would give effect to its veto, banning Microsoft from acquiring an interest in Activision for several years, and vice versa. The ability of the UK watchdog to impose a global ban solely to address concerns relating to the UK market is at the center of that, MLex understands. Microsoft could challenge the final order in court to seek to narrow its scope, to potentially allow it to close elsewhere in the world.

- Alternatively, Microsoft could seek to close the transaction and argue that the order was illegal in its defense when sued by the CMA.

- In mid-May, a reporter for CNBC asked Microsoft chief executive Satya Nadella whether the company could close the deal and just stop selling Activision's products in the UK. The CEO responded: "Let's wait for it all to play out." Asked by MLex on May 12 whether it could close around the UK, a representative of Microsoft said it was a "complicated question," but "at some point we may need to think about it." A spokesperson from Microsoft advised against reading too much into the comments.

It sounds like MS is ready to close this no matter what :eek:

Sooo...Pachter was right?
I have no idea who this MLex is. I guess you guys trust this so source so will I.

In the end, it's very sad to see that the trillion dollars company with multiple monopolies can do whatever it wants... Money rules everything, antitrust authorities can't do anything against mega corporations...
 
I have no idea who this MLex is. I guess you guys trust this so source so will I.

In the end, it's very sad to see that the trillion dollars company with multiple monopolies can do whatever it wants... Money rules everything, antitrust authorities can't do anything against mega corporations...

The MLex sounds like a bunch of fake news threatening posturing.

If MS tried to pull any of those moves, the regulators absolutely do have the power to cast harsh punishments on companies trying to aggressively disobey securities laws
 

Topher

Gold Member
I have no idea who this MLex is. I guess you guys trust this so source so will I.

In the end, it's very sad to see that the trillion dollars company with multiple monopolies can do whatever it wants... Money rules everything, antitrust authorities can't do anything against mega corporations...

The MLex sounds like a bunch of fake news threatening posturing.

If MS tried to pull any of those moves, the regulators absolutely do have the power to cast harsh punishments on companies trying to aggressively disobey securities laws

MLex is a paid service. Idas on era has access and posts information that is provided there regarding the acquisition.

 

reinking

Gold Member
The MLex sounds like a bunch of fake news threatening posturing.

If MS tried to pull any of those moves, the regulators absolutely do have the power to cast harsh punishments on companies trying to aggressively disobey securities laws
It is crazy that some people are applauding the idea that a company as large as MS is planning to blow off a nation's regulatory agency. A regulatory agency that was specifically required as part of the agreement that MS signed. All in the name of fanboyism? Game Pass? Winning? I am becoming less of a MS/Xbox fan with each tantrum they throw.

I do wonder what the punishment would look like. It would have to be harsh enough that nobody else ever dared try it again. Even if MS somehow pulled off the Hail Mary and maneuvers out of the UK to get around it, I would have to think it would severely impact any future business with MS in the UK. Aren't they already facing an investigation in the UK for Cloud services? I am a little surprised MS is willing to die on this hill all while it is Activision actually holds the power to kill this deal. Then what? Team green turns on Activision?
 

HoofHearted

Member
Blinking Chocolate Milk GIF by Chelsea Handler
Duh…

Everyone knows that only the pink cows make Strawberry milk…
 

LordCBH

Member
It is crazy that some people are applauding the idea that a company as large as MS is planning to blow off a nation's regulatory agency. A regulatory agency that was specifically required as part of the agreement that MS signed. All in the name of fanboyism? Game Pass? Winning? I am becoming less of a MS/Xbox fan with each tantrum they throw.

I do wonder what the punishment would look like. It would have to be harsh enough that nobody else ever dared try it again. Even if MS somehow pulled off the Hail Mary and maneuvers out of the UK to get around it, I would have to think it would severely impact any future business with MS in the UK. Aren't they already facing an investigation in the UK for Cloud services? I am a little surprised MS is willing to die on this hill all while it is Activision actually holds the power to kill this deal. Then what? Team green turns on Activision?

They aren’t going to die on that hill. But they’re hoping the powers that be over in the UK believe they’ll go through with those empty threats. It’s all about tryin to apply pressure, which won’t work.
 
That's a good post. Microsoft's money doesn't give them a magic wand.
That's just because they haven't spent enough yet. I'm sure if a mysterious transfer of US$1 billion went directly to the Exchequer, then it would be trivial to get CMA to reverse their decision! See, MS just hasn't really tried everything yet! But don't worry, I'm sure they are getting there soon enough...
 
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ZehDon

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That's a good post. Microsoft's money doesn't give them a magic wand.
Not to disagree with the quoted post there, but something to watch will be Microsoft challenging, or ignoring, the CMA's prohibition order. The CMA is trying to impose a global restriction on ABK and MS as a result of its UK market review, and I don't believe the CMA has that authority. If Microsoft move to challenge the order, or makes moves to ignore the order - indicating they're at least prepared to challenge it, then I'd wager that - unlikely as it is - they're trying to find a way around the CMA's block. If that happens, I'd say all bets are off.
 
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Three

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Eh, trust me. If for some reason cloud gaming start taking off. You can bet google would come back and amazon would invest more. It just, it gonna take 10-20 more years before I think cloud gaming start competing with native gaming. It got a ways to go. If it ever does.
And 10 years from now the deals have all expired and google will have the exact same problem of not being able to secure content again.
 

Three

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You think a new entrant would be able to compete with a service that has Halo, Forza, Gears of War, Fable, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Call of Duty, Diablo, StarCraft, Starfield, Doom, Wolfenstein, and then all the third party stuff?
They’d have to pay billions upon billions to enter that market and compete on an even footing. Throw in GamePass and it becomes even harder to compete.
You forgot their other large purchase, Minecraft, as well as WoW, Overwatch, etc. If you account for inflation MS have the top three (maybe more) most expensive gaming acquisitions amounting to near $90B. They also have something like 10 of the top 20 selling and MAU IPs of all time through these acquisitions. To expect a new entrant to just pop up and compete well for content is just optimism that's bordering on wishful thinking.
 
You forgot their other large purchase, Minecraft, as well as WoW, Overwatch, etc. If you account for inflation MS have the top three (maybe more) most expensive gaming acquisitions amounting to near $90B. They also have something like 10 of the top 20 selling and MAU IPs of all time through these acquisitions. To expect a new entrant to just pop up and compete well for content is just optimism that's bordering on wishful thinking.
Indeed. People really are not looking at the bigger picture.

Microsoft are buying a shed load of IP for a reason because they know great games is what drives adoption. They are desperately trying to cut Amazon, Apple and Google off at the pass before they can get a foothold. In doing so they’ll dominate the market because it is inevitable that Cloud will be a big part of the industry moving forward. It isn’t now, but that isn’t what the CMA is arguing - they are looking at the future landscape of the sector and have concluded (rightfully) that Microsoft possess too many advantages for there to be true competition.

The ‘competitors’ Microsoft have offered 10 year deals to have no leverage at all. After those 10 years Microsoft could pull their games, decimate any ‘competition’ that exists at the time and have almost all marketshare in that sector. Nvidia and others do not have exclusive IP of their own to draw customers to their service.
 
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demigod

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It is crazy that some people are applauding the idea that a company as large as MS is planning to blow off a nation's regulatory agency. A regulatory agency that was specifically required as part of the agreement that MS signed. All in the name of fanboyism? Game Pass? Winning? I am becoming less of a MS/Xbox fan with each tantrum they throw.

I do wonder what the punishment would look like. It would have to be harsh enough that nobody else ever dared try it again. Even if MS somehow pulled off the Hail Mary and maneuvers out of the UK to get around it, I would have to think it would severely impact any future business with MS in the UK. Aren't they already facing an investigation in the UK for Cloud services? I am a little surprised MS is willing to die on this hill all while it is Activision actually holds the power to kill this deal. Then what? Team green turns on Activision?
America will invade UK on behalf of ms.
 

PaintTinJr

Member
This has been said a 1000 times but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The merger agreement can easily be altered it is no major roadblock to anything and the US has not blocked the deal, had the CMA approved Microsoft would have closed the deal regardless of the FTC lawsuit, in order to block it the FTC needs to file a preliminary injunction which needs to be granted by an independent court said courts pretty much never side with the FTC these days but please do go on about the "facts" that you know so much about, I hope to God you aren't American considering how ignorant you are of US law.
Read the words I actually used which are factual -not some strawman to argue against.

and the US - where both companies are from - are in their process of opposing the deal with the delaying and legislation tools they have, and have informed the world they are blocking an "illegal" merger.

Your post I quoted, was dishonest, you knew when you posted it.
 

ActusReusJB

Neo Member
Pixis agrees it's almost impossible (and that resetera thread is full of morons, if you read between the lines)

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I think one thing people forget is that if the deal doesn’t go through Microsoft is on the hook for quite a bit of money, I think it has hit the $3B mark now. All potential workarounds need to be analyzed through the lens of costing less than that. Pretty sure these issues could be resolved for less, so it might actually be well worth it for MS to take these kind of steps.
 

Bernardougf

Gold Member
I will say again the rotation of new posters in defense of this deal is like clockwork and the script they all use is something quite unique about this thread.... you have to give credit where credit is due... MS cant manage their studios for shit but they sure can coordinate their astroturfers and pr militia
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
I will say again the rotation of new posters in defense of this deal is like clockwork and the script they all use is something quite unique about this thread.... you have to give credit where credit is due... MS cant manage their studios for shit but they sure can coordinate their astroturfers and pr militia
Shame they can’t manage or coordinate a better script, as it’s blatantly obvious who is real and who is a bot.
 

Dick Jones

Gold Member
Account in 2018, 2020 or 2021 with around 250 posts with the vast majority of the account activity in those thread in the past week.

I wouldn't mind a pro acquisition debate if it included logical points. Entertaining that ABK will leave the UK to be bought and MS will pay around 20bn in fees each year is someone living in a house with a gas leak.

The worst part is I respect the "fuck the world, I want ABK games on Gamepass" (ignoring the obvious inevitable increase in price) comments more than Microsoft will leave the UK to make it happen and cloud gaming is so small that its okay that MS dominates it, also its not a different market, please ignore the MS statements this past decade where it claimed that its competitors were Amazon and Google and not PS and Nintendo (wonder why).

Oh and the classic, we will be buying ABK to save the staff from Bobby. Also Bobby would have been pushed out had this bid not happened.
 

feynoob

Banned
I am gonna wait for the huge amount of lawsuits that MS will incur if they leave UK. Especially from consumers point of view.
 

dotnotbot

Member
I think one thing people forget is that if the deal doesn’t go through Microsoft is on the hook for quite a bit of money, I think it has hit the $3B mark now. All potential workarounds need to be analyzed through the lens of costing less than that. Pretty sure these issues could be resolved for less, so it might actually be well worth it for MS to take these kind of steps.

Kotick can just get his 3 billions and then make a deal with Comcast or someone else. Not much reason to insist on problematic Microsoft if they have more potential buyers.
 
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feynoob

Banned
Account in 2018, 2020 or 2021 with around 250 posts with the vast majority of the account activity in those thread in the past week.

I wouldn't mind a pro acquisition debate if it included logical points. Entertaining that ABK will leave the UK to be bought and MS will pay around 20bn in fees each year is someone living in a house with a gas leak.

The worst part is I respect the "fuck the world, I want ABK games on Gamepass" (ignoring the obvious inevitable increase in price) comments more than Microsoft will leave the UK to make it happen and cloud gaming is so small that its okay that MS dominates it, also its not a different market, please ignore the MS statements this past decade where it claimed that its competitors were Amazon and Google and not PS and Nintendo (wonder why).

Oh and the classic, we will be buying ABK to save the staff from Bobby. Also Bobby would have been pushed out had this bid not happened.
This is what they feel like, when they make these claims.
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Godot25

Banned
The MLex sounds like a bunch of fake news threatening posturing.

If MS tried to pull any of those moves, the regulators absolutely do have the power to cast harsh punishments on companies trying to aggressively disobey securities laws
Ehh. That's probably why they hired bunch of lawyers? So they can tell them if it can be legally done? Probably?

Nobody is saying that Microsoft will break a laws by doing that. Bending a laws? Maybe.
 

Godot25

Banned
I sure didn’t. You said Bethesda games are SP games. That is factually wrong since Redfall is a GaaS. You can’t explain why ms took that game away from PlayStation.
Redfall is not GaaS mate. Redfall is co-op game without microtransactions that has plans for two additional playable characters. That hardly counts towards "GaaS"

If you are looking at a GaaS game from Bethesda, you will probably get one from ZOS (makes of The Elder Scrolls Online). I guess that game has high chance to be multiplatform.
 

feynoob

Banned
I sure didn’t. You said Bethesda games are SP games. That is factually wrong since Redfall is a GaaS. You can’t explain why ms took that game away from PlayStation.
Redfall isn't a gaas like fallout 76. That is the difference.
Putting a few mtx currency's doesn't make a game a gaas.

Gaas needs a huge amount of people for support.
 

gothmog

Gold Member
Not to disagree with the quoted post there, but something to watch will be Microsoft challenging, or ignoring, the CMA's prohibition order. The CMA is trying to impose a global restriction on ABK and MS as a result of its UK market review, and I don't believe the CMA has that authority. If Microsoft move to challenge the order, or makes moves to ignore the order - indicating they're at least prepared to challenge it, then I'd wager that - unlikely as it is - they're trying to find a way around the CMA's block. If that happens, I'd say all bets are off.
How is the CMA imposing a global restriction?
 
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