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New controllers with good D-Pads
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Soltype
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Tried it years ago , not fan of certain movements on it. Not currently using stick because of wrist.
Celcius
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Unfortunately I feel that the DualSense (while a fantastic all-around controller) is a step back from the DualShock controllers when it comes to the dpad.
Even though you're on xbox, just fyi. Feels like the dpad wasn't the focus this generation. That goes for Sony, MS, and Nintendo. In fact the Switch joy-cons don't even have a dpad lol, just buttons.
Even though you're on xbox, just fyi. Feels like the dpad wasn't the focus this generation. That goes for Sony, MS, and Nintendo. In fact the Switch joy-cons don't even have a dpad lol, just buttons.
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Puscifer
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Hoddi
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8bitdo controllers have the best Dpads and it's not even a competition. I only just discovered those two years ago and I've already bought 5 of their controllers for my PCs and consoles.
The Xbox Series controller is only okay at best but it really isn't that great overall. I spent 12-13 years with a 360 controller on my PC but the latest 8bitdo Ultimate controller completely obliterates it in every single area.
The Xbox Series controller is only okay at best but it really isn't that great overall. I spent 12-13 years with a 360 controller on my PC but the latest 8bitdo Ultimate controller completely obliterates it in every single area.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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The dualsense d pad is a big step back from the ps4 controller. Ps4 was a lot easier to perform motions on because it was snappier. It sucks so much that they couldn't recreate that for ps5.
Series X controller has enough snap to it but feels bad and the sound that the hard plastic makes is so loud it makes me not want to play fg's there
I'd like to know what the best 3rd party controllers for fg's are as well.
Series X controller has enough snap to it but feels bad and the sound that the hard plastic makes is so loud it makes me not want to play fg's there
I'd like to know what the best 3rd party controllers for fg's are as well.
Solidus_T
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I use an arcade stick for fighting games, but whenever I do use pad on newer consoles or PC, I think the best solution is to just use a DualShock 4 with a converter or just use it on PC. The new D Pad on the Dual Sense and the Xbox Series, though a step up from the Xbox One, just aren't good enough for fighting games.
GenericUser
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Unironically, the xbox d-pad is the best d-pad you can get. It uses mechanical switches instead of this plastic membrane you'll find in most other controllers. It's noisy because the clicking sound is pretty loud, but in terms of precision and durability, you can't get a better d-pad. I would recommend that you try to get used to it. If you manage to do so, you'll have a controller buddy for life (your street fighter life, at least). I'm playing tekken on the dualsense and - oh boy - you don't want to do that.
Soltype
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Can't find an Xbox version
Are all their D-Pads the same, they have a lot of skus.
It's not bad but it being so low on the controller gives me problems.
GenericUser
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Yeah, I had the same issue but I got used to it. I'm way more consistent with the mechanical dpad on the xbox then I'm with the dualsense. There are other controllers with mechanical d-pads on the market, like the Razor Raion. But so far, I have not found one that is natively compatible with the current gen consoles.
There is also a mod kit available for the dualsense that adds the mechanical switches to the controller: https://extremerate.com/products/fa...er-mouse-click-kit-for-ps5-controller-pfmd006
I would have bought that, but unfortunately the mod kit is not compatible with my version of the dualsense.
EDIT:
If the position of the d-pad is the biggest problem, you can try out the HORI Fighting Commander OCTA. It does not a have a mechanical d-pad, but it is in the "right" position.
https://stores.horiusa.com/fighting-commander-octa-designed-for-xbox-series-x-s-xbox-one/
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Hori fighting commander for the ps4 is pretty lit
6 facebuttons
You need to break it in for about 6 hours or so, abuse the dpad a little. And zangiefs specials are piss easy
6 facebuttons
Amazon.com: HORI Fighting Commander for PlayStation 4 & 3 Officially Licensed by Sony - PlayStation 4 : Video Games
Amazon.com: HORI Fighting Commander for PlayStation 4 & 3 Officially Licensed by Sony - PlayStation 4 : Video Games
www.amazon.com
You need to break it in for about 6 hours or so, abuse the dpad a little. And zangiefs specials are piss easy
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March Climber
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I would love for someone to build on this concept for dual joystick games. Not sure how it would be possible but I bet it’s doable.
Soltype
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Try looking for old stock.. if you are lucky someone used it a lot making the dpad betterPeople say it's mushy
Out of stock, don't even see the Xbox sku.
MidGenRefresh
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As a mainly mouse and keyboard type of user I can’t recommend enough the new 8BitDo Ultimate. It’s excellent, far better than regular Xbox Series or PS5 controller.
www.8bitdo.com
8BitDo Ultimate Controller with Charging Dock（Bluetooth） | 8BitDo
Bluetooth®. Compatible for Switch
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JohnSpartanLee
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Since you're on XBox you have to find one of these used:
It's also available for PS4 but sadly not PS5. You'd have to play the PS4-version of SF6 on PS5 to use it there.
On PC you can just use genuine Saturn pads (or the 8bitDo M30).
It's also available for PS4 but sadly not PS5. You'd have to play the PS4-version of SF6 on PS5 to use it there.
On PC you can just use genuine Saturn pads (or the 8bitDo M30).
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Lucifers Beard
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Interesting thread. I’ve been using the Dualsense for SF6 and if I’m honest, it’s pretty bad. The dpad is just not suitable for it and I find myself using the analogue stick which is better but I’m missing inputs and end up button mashing.
I’m going to give my Xbox Elite pad a go and see if it’s any better, but does anyone have recommendations for a reasonably priced fight stick for PC? I like the look of the new HORI one but it’s £175!
I’m going to give my Xbox Elite pad a go and see if it’s any better, but does anyone have recommendations for a reasonably priced fight stick for PC? I like the look of the new HORI one but it’s £175!
The Pleasure
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The switches in the xbox pad are garbage. The Neo Geo Cd and ps3 versions of that controller? Godlike. Also they cost almost ad much as the series x if you can find em.
GenericUser
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What exactly is "garbage" about them? I can pull of electrics in tekken much more easily and consistent then on the dualsense.
GenericUser
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If you want to get a stick to be more precise/more competitive I'd recommend a hitbox controller. Many pro players (at least in the tekken scene) will tell you that they only use a stick because they used it for ages and would need to relearn the hitbox. I personally am a pad guy. I think a good pad can give you great results.
Lucifers Beard
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Thanks for this. Do you have any recommendations for a pad? I’ve looked up a few and they all have good and bad points. Having no real luck with my Dualsense or Xbox Elite!
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Go for the official saturn pc controller. There is also a wireless version w 2.4 dongle
GenericUser
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Not really, I myself am looking for a really good pad. If you are on playstation and have a compatible dualsense controller, I would try the "clicky face button" mod kit from xtremerate (https://extremerate.com/products/fa...er-mouse-click-kit-for-ps5-controller-pfmd006 ). It changes the "mushy" plastic membrane underneath the dualsense dpad/buttons to mechanical switches. I haven't tried that myself though, because my controller version is not compatible with it. But I will definitely get this once they make one that I can use.
On xbox (if you can tolerate the awkward dpad placement) I'm honestly more then happy with the dpad of my series x controller. As I said, I can pull of frame perfect electrics in tekken pretty consistently with that controller.
It also depends on what fighting games you play and which characters to be honest. I guess there is no "one size fits all" recommendation.
Mushy as hell if you ask me. Not my cup of tea.
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Naked Lunch
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On Xbox, these are pretty much your only option for Street Fighter. I fail to see how anyone can play SF without 6 face buttons.
I only have the old version for now (the white controller) and its good - but the Dpad still isnt quite, Sega Saturn, perfect. Its held up for me since SF4's xbox heyday - and I used it to play the xbox version of Radiant Silvergun 100s of times thru the years.
I ordered the new xbox fighting commander version for backup and to try it out. Curious about the D pad change there. It doesnt 'look' that great. I would imagine the analog would make moving your character around the hub in SF6 much easier than the D pad - they didnt think that one thru for pad only players - even implementing being able to use 2 controllers at once to walk around the 3d environment for pad players.
I only have the old version for now (the white controller) and its good - but the Dpad still isnt quite, Sega Saturn, perfect. Its held up for me since SF4's xbox heyday - and I used it to play the xbox version of Radiant Silvergun 100s of times thru the years.
I ordered the new xbox fighting commander version for backup and to try it out. Curious about the D pad change there. It doesnt 'look' that great. I would imagine the analog would make moving your character around the hub in SF6 much easier than the D pad - they didnt think that one thru for pad only players - even implementing being able to use 2 controllers at once to walk around the 3d environment for pad players.
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The Pleasure
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Those are great of you use a grappler. You need em to churn the butter.
01011001
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the Razer Wolverine v2 Black is pretty damn good imo.
not sure how the one on the V2 Chroma is, but that one looks different. I think it's just a different shape tho, and the switches below are the same
the dpad on that controller is smooth and has clicky tactile feedback that feels less harsh than on the first party controller, they made it almost feel like the clicks of a fight stick gate
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Kumomeme
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As a mainly mouse and keyboard type of user I can’t recommend enough the new 8BitDo Ultimate. It’s excellent, far better than regular Xbox Series or PS5 controller.
8BitDo Ultimate Controller with Charging Dock（Bluetooth） | 8BitDo
Bluetooth®. Compatible for Switch
8Bitdo Controller is really good. i encourage people to check their controllers. there is various version and variation available too depend on what kind of controllers you looking for.
it also come with awesome Ultimate Software that allow you not just customize the button mapping but also set up other stuff like macro.
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Tarin02543
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8bitdo Ultimate Controller.
Excellent traditional SNES style D PAD and 2.4 ghz wireless connectivity AND Hall effect sticks that allow zero deadzone for instant response.
there is also a non BT version without the hall effect sticks.
Excellent traditional SNES style D PAD and 2.4 ghz wireless connectivity AND Hall effect sticks that allow zero deadzone for instant response.
there is also a non BT version without the hall effect sticks.
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PeterBazooka
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Every iteration of the Hori Fighting commander has been has been good.
The original Sega Saturn SLS is godly. Expensive as fuck and not sure if it even works with modern windows versions. Mine is broken
Stay away from the 8bitdo M30 if you use grapplers with SPDs. Does not register 360 inputs unfortunately.
The original Sega Saturn SLS is godly. Expensive as fuck and not sure if it even works with modern windows versions. Mine is broken
Stay away from the 8bitdo M30 if you use grapplers with SPDs. Does not register 360 inputs unfortunately.
Lucifers Beard
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Dualsense dpad is horrible for SF6. At least with the Xbox Series controller you can use it sufficiently to pull off good combos with little effort. That being said it’s not an ideal controller for fighters either.
01011001
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rofif
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I just took the 360 pad out of storage and you are right... dualsense dpad is MUCH spongier
the dualsense Dpad is the spongiest thing ever
Soltype
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Did some research and I found this product, hope it works this way I can use pretty much any controller I want.
BlackTron
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I know it's loud, but the Series D-pad is very fast precise and accurate. So I have embraced it as my new go-to PC controller supplanting the 360.
Sometimes it is not really necessary and you would prefer a "normal" D-pad such as SNES style, but above the crappy stock Nintendo pro controller or dualsense D-pads. I haven't had a chance to try it but the best d-pad option that otherwise actually works as a fully functional modern controller is probably the 8BitDo Ultimate. Between the myriad of specific-use controllers and Series I haven't found it that necessary but it does look nice.
My fav version of Sonic 2 is on Switch and my favorite controller for it is this wired Power-A pad I got for fifteen bucks. The d-pad blows away the pro controller and makes for a genesis-like experience. But for a different game like The Messenger or fighting games then Series controller would be better...and yet a different game might call for pure SNES style. I don't think there is a catch-all.
Sometimes it is not really necessary and you would prefer a "normal" D-pad such as SNES style, but above the crappy stock Nintendo pro controller or dualsense D-pads. I haven't had a chance to try it but the best d-pad option that otherwise actually works as a fully functional modern controller is probably the 8BitDo Ultimate. Between the myriad of specific-use controllers and Series I haven't found it that necessary but it does look nice.
My fav version of Sonic 2 is on Switch and my favorite controller for it is this wired Power-A pad I got for fifteen bucks. The d-pad blows away the pro controller and makes for a genesis-like experience. But for a different game like The Messenger or fighting games then Series controller would be better...and yet a different game might call for pure SNES style. I don't think there is a catch-all.
01011001
Banned
these usually do introduce lag tho, so be aware of that.
Captain Toad
Banned
The DualSense
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
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MAYFLASH Magic-S PRO 2 Wireless Bluetooth USB Adapter for PS4, Switch, macOS, Windows, Raspberry Pi, Compatible with Xbox Series X & S Controller, Xbox One Bluetooth, PS5 Controller and More: Amazon.de: Games
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dude this shit is way cheaper!
i got two of em so i can keep using my 2 madcatz SF TE1's
still the best looking fight stick imo
Smol flex
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01011001
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MAYFLASH Magic-S PRO 2 Wireless Bluetooth USB Adapter for PS4, Switch, macOS, Windows, Raspberry Pi, Compatible with Xbox Series X & S Controller, Xbox One Bluetooth, PS5 Controller and More: Amazon.de: Games
MAYFLASH Magic-S PRO 2 Wireless Bluetooth USB Adapter for PS4, Switch, macOS, Windows, Raspberry Pi, Compatible with Xbox Series X & S Controller, Xbox One Bluetooth, PS5 Controller and More: Amazon.de: Gameswww.amazon.de
dude this shit is way cheaper!
i got two of em so i can keep using my 2 madcatz SF TE1's
still the best looking fight stick imo
Smol flex
disclaimer for using anything USB related, be it a bluetooth dongle or direct USB data connection (basically anything that sends controller inputs through USB instead of the console's bluetooth) on a PS4 or Switch:
the PS4 and Switch both reduce the controller polling rate when in wired connection mode, this introduces input lag and reduced precision.
not an issue on Xbox One/Series or PS5 tho thankfully.
Edit: also i think that mayflash adapter does not work on an Xbox, it supports Xbox controllers on other systems but not the other way around
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Soltype
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first thing i checked, seems their products are reasonably low latency, they were featured in a PC based fg tourney hosted by MSI.
Mayflash unfortunately doesn't support xboxMAYFLASH Magic-S PRO 2 Wireless Bluetooth USB Adapter for PS4, Switch, macOS, Windows, Raspberry Pi, Compatible with Xbox Series X & S Controller, Xbox One Bluetooth, PS5 Controller and More: Amazon.de: Games
MAYFLASH Magic-S PRO 2 Wireless Bluetooth USB Adapter for PS4, Switch, macOS, Windows, Raspberry Pi, Compatible with Xbox Series X & S Controller, Xbox One Bluetooth, PS5 Controller and More: Amazon.de: Gameswww.amazon.de
dude this shit is way cheaper!
i got two of em so i can keep using my 2 madcatz SF TE1's
still the best looking fight stick imo
Smol flex
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
i think you have several versions.
i myself made my own usb adapter so i can use my neogeo cd controller with the microswitches.
all you need is a usb joystick encoder from ALI.
The neogeo CD/AES uses a DB-15 connector. You will need one. And hook it up to the usb joystick encoder, just beware that neogeo changed +5V pin so you need to swap it.. no soldering acquired just screw in the wires.
https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/index.php?threads/neo-geo-sticks-and-5v.229064/
once you try this controller with the clicky clacky (also modded a gameboy DMG with the NGP clacky stick)
you don't want any other portable fightpad
01011001
Banned
i think you have several versions.
i myself made my own usb adapter so i can use my neogeo cd controller with the microswitches.
all you need is a usb joystick encoder from ALI.
The neogeo CD/AES uses a DB-15 connector. You will need one. And hook it up to the usb joystick encoder, just beware that neogeo changed +5V pin so you need to swap it.. no soldering acquired just screw in the wires.
https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/index.php?threads/neo-geo-sticks-and-5v.229064/
once you try this controller with the clicky clacky (also modded a gameboy DMG with the NGP clacky stick)
you don't want any other portable fightpad
actually you might wanna try the Razer Wolverine V2 I was talking about earlier in this thread. that Dpad is the closest thing you'll get to a NeoGeo pad, and it has all the buttons necessary for modern games.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
weird they never released one again with a microswitches joystick.. (totally useless for 3d games)
01011001
Banned
honestly, a stick is just not as good as a dpad. objectively speaking.
dpads allow for faster motions with less travel.
the mini fight stick concept for NeoGeo controllers and the NeoGeo Pocket were basically just so that the feel of a stick is emulated since that's what their fanbase was used to.
I think a really good microswitch dpad like the one in the Razer are far superior. I get why people would maybe prefer a stick, or are still using fight sticks, but there's no real reason for it outside of muscle memory or subjective preference.
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Naked Lunch
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Soltype
For what its worth - my Xbox Hori Fighting Commander Octa arrived and I tested it all week on SF6. This is the best 6 face button pad youre going to get on the Xbox at the moment. I think I may even prefer it to the out of print white Fighting Commander from the 360 days.While ive read mixed opinions online - I, personally, have had no issues with the Dpad from using shotos - to 360 piledriver grapplers - to the precise timings of Dhalsim.
I play as Sim, Lilly, Dee Jay, Guile, Honda - for my character variety for reference.
The best thing about it is the micro switch buttons. These feel good and seem like they will last - a nice click when pressed. For SF6 in particular I put Drive Impact and Drive Parry on 2 of the bumpers.
I like that the Dpad is a bit smaller - less travel needed - charge characters in particular benefit. The Dpad does NOT click like a base Series controller.
The analog is an added benefit for SF6 in particular to move around the 3d hubs and lobbies - much better than using the dpad for that. I would never use the analog to actually play street fighter though.
Minor nitpicks:
The bumpers are a bit strange because they are so large and I sometimes hit one when I dont want to - its more of getting used to the controller I think.
I dont love the placement of the RB and RT buttons because they are on the curve of the outside edge - I wish they were on the flat surface like A B Y X - nothing too major though.
The controller is super light because it doesnt have any rumble nonsense - some people like the light weight others, not.
For a 6 face button pad - this is pretty much your only option on Xbox Series - and it actually is quite good. Its a keeper imo and I wish I got one years ago.
EDIT: I have not tested it on Radiant Silvergun or any shumps yet but it does seem ideal for those.
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