The PlayStation secrets part is talking about Sony sharing preproduction console development with ABK not about providing dev kits. It’s amazing how successfully this narrative has spread. Insomniac is a developer not a publisher so what is the comparison there?I think its funny how the ftc put the Activision will give MS Playstation secrets into the appeal.....they do realize MLB the show is made by Sony for the XBox right? No worry about secrets there I guess. Oh and how many games has insomniac made for xbox since sony purchased them? MS wants to bring gamepass to everyone no matter what console/phone/etc you own. How is it any different than EA or Ubisofts services? Not to mention they want to challenge apple and google stores so I dont think there will be very many exclusives period. Goes against what they are really trying to do in the long run.
The PlayStation secrets part is talking about Sony sharing preproduction console development with ABK not about providing dev kits. It’s amazing how successfully this narrative has spread. Insomniac is a developer not a publisher so what is the comparison there?
Sober assessment. I saw a tweet by Gene Park pointing out something similar. Basically, a whole bunch of fanboys have been tricked into rooting for the consolidation of the industry by a 2.5 trillion-dollar giant that doesn't even pay taxes. It's really insane when you think about it; I can't imagine that Jeff Bezos had this sort of cult following. Then again the days of people eyeing Microsoft in the 90s are gone and they've basically gotten away with everything - just how Amazon is today. Especially in the US, the courts are not working for the public, but for huge companies like these.Why do you fall for the political narrative so badly?
Actually rooting for companies that don’t pay their fair share of taxes, run by people that avoid taxes and instead use their money to lobby politicians to fuck up the system so that it doesn’t work. You realize that EC and EU are actually applying remedies, and even though U.S is MS’s home turf where Xbox is actually a thing, FTC won’t even manage to demand remedies because the system is that broken.
Who are you rooting for? If the FTC can’t even get a break with a videogame case, what do you think is going to happen when it’s about something that involves a whole lot more lobbying power?
Please help us Monday.I seem to recall the FT being wrong, rather wrong, about things before. Am I just imagining that? I feel like they don't actually know.
Please help us Monday.
US Tax payer pay the operating expenses of the FTC including the money they waste on these hope and prayer cases they've been launching recently.
Blimey pal,that's quite the cutting diatribe. Do you want to "hear the lamentation of their women" too?If MS actually try subvert the CMA's decision and close the acquisition against it I genuinely hope the subsequent fines, asset seizures, financial sanctions, and other assorted responses deployed by the UK government are so severe that MS execs are forced to shutter the Xbox divsion and beg on their collective knees for a reprieve before their shareholders have them executed.
It’s easy clicks to write an article with a lot of “can”, could”, “may”, “might”, “anticipates” qualifiers.I seem to recall the FT being wrong, rather wrong, about things before. Am I just imagining that? I feel like they don't actually know.
I think I get what you mean. The idea being that, at some point, the value and draw of certain games on the service could very well lead to other developers finding their games being drowned out. Who is actually spending much time playing Exoprimal if Call of Duty is on that service? That about what you're aiming at?
Are you dumb? The point was Playstation worked with Activision to ensure CoD utilised all the PS5 features, as such they shared Console/Controller feature. They were saying that post-acquisition they wont be sharing specs with Acti since as part of MS thats giving your competition confidential info and as a result CoD will therefore not make full use of future hardware which in turns means Xbox Two X or whatever the fuck next gen will be will be more feature complete and thus more attractive for players.I think its funny how the ftc put the Activision will give MS Playstation secrets into the appeal.....they do realize MLB the show is made by Sony for the XBox right? No worry about secrets there I guess. Oh and how many games has insomniac made for xbox since sony purchased them? MS wants to bring gamepass to everyone no matter what console/phone/etc you own. How is it any different than EA or Ubisofts services? Not to mention they want to challenge apple and google stores so I dont think there will be very many exclusives period. Goes against what they are really trying to do in the long run.
Especially when MS is literally paying Senators/House members lol... well paying them through campaign donations and what notSober assessment. I saw a tweet by Gene Park pointing out something similar. Basically, a whole bunch of fanboys have been tricked into rooting for the consolidation of the industry by a 2.5 trillion-dollar giant that doesn't even pay taxes. It's really insane when you think about it; I can't imagine that Jeff Bezos had this sort of cult following. Then again the days of people eyeing Microsoft in the 90s are gone and they've basically gotten away with everything - just how Amazon is today. Especially in the US, the courts are not working for the public, but for huge companies like these.
And the funniest shit is that Sony could have marketing rights for COD with "no Game Pass" provision for longer but dumb Jimbo refused.
The mirage we refer to as democracy.
Especially when MS is literally paying Senators/House members lol... well paying them through campaign donations and what not
The mirage we refer to as democracy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdoutI don't think Microsoft has, or will offer the CMA anything that would satisfy what they outlined in the divestment document, so I still think this deal is dead.
This @arvfab account behaviour seems familiar… Ezekiel is that you?
This argument makes no sense or whatever, considering MS owns Bethesda.Are you dumb? The point was Playstation worked with Activision to ensure CoD utilised all the PS5 features, as such they shared Console/Controller feature. They were saying that post-acquisition they wont be sharing specs with Acti since as part of MS thats giving your competition confidential info and as a result CoD will therefore not make full use of future hardware which in turns means Xbox Two X or whatever the fuck next gen will be will be more feature complete and thus more attractive for players.
The difference here is EA/Ubisoft aren’t OWNED by the competition so they would be breaching NDA’s etc by telling MS of Playstation proprietary tech…
And Insomniac havent made any game for Xbox since acquisition by Sony, they made Fuse for EA and Sunset Overdrive while they were still independent so thats completely irrelevant.
Money is a magical tool.CMA hold us down baby!
I'm emailing my senator about how weak the FTC is in comparison. It's seems completely outclassed by the businesses it's s supposed to be regulating. And these budget cuts they're receiving surly aren't helping (with a hunch that's the intention).
I don't think Microsoft has, or will offer the CMA anything that would satisfy what they outlined in the divestment document, so I still think this deal is dead.
If MS actually try subvert the CMA's decision and close the acquisition against it I genuinely hope the subsequent fines, asset seizures, financial sanctions, and other assorted responses deployed by the UK government are so severe that MS execs are forced to shutter the Xbox divsion and beg on their collective knees for a reprieve before their shareholders have them executed.
Legalized bribery in the form of "campaign" contributions. It will be the United State's undoing.
Bethesda has PS5 devs kits, they won’t get preproduction information on the PS6.This argument makes no sense or whatever, considering MS owns Bethesda.
What if Bethesda want to make a game for PS6?
Would Sony ignore that too?
No, I gladly admit I want MS to use this to the their advantage. Make Sony think twice about permanent Final Fantasy and Street Fighter exclusives. Hit Sony hard for using their lead position to try and keep games off Gamepass and Xbox.You’ve shown yourself to be a hypocrite so don’t come at me with that not worth your time nonsense just because you aren’t capable of having an honest conversation. Hurts when your own argument is used against you huh?
Welcome to GAF?
Sony and FTC made big mistakes.I keep coming back to this, and it's something that was discussed months ago by myself and others--and no, don't worry, this isn't some ego-boosting "LOOK AT ME I WAS RIGHT AND I AM SMART!" posts.
But we all knew MS was desperate...they wanted to wrap this thing up, and I really feel that both Sony and the FTC could have pushed hard for more deals that would have benefitted them/consumers. And got them.
That's the art of business and/or compromise.
But let's be clear: it's really the FTC and their whiz kid leader that really needed a win here; Jim Ryan and crew might look a bit silly for leaving empty-handed, but on closer inspection they:
...so mission semi-accomplished.
- Played the FTC like a piano
- Made MS sweat bullets
Anyone else feeling a bit concerned about the state of our regulatory agencies?
This too, sadly.
CMA hold us down baby!
I'm emailing my senator about how weak the FTC is in comparison. It's seems completely outclassed by the businesses it's s supposed to be regulating. And these budget cuts they're receiving surly aren't helping (with a hunch that's the intention).
I don't think Microsoft has, or will offer the CMA anything that would satisfy what they outlined in the divestment document, so I still think this deal is dead.
I call that sus.Bethesda has PS5 devs kits, they won’t get preproduction information on the PS6.
2. FTC had over a year and a half to get their act together. MS announced the deal in January 2022. If they cant prove the deal is bad in 18 months that's their incompetency. Even the CMA got MS to amp up their counter offer and are now in negotiations to finalize the deal with more MS concessions. It looks like the FTC got zero
Sony and FTC made big mistakes.
1. MS even offered Sony a big COD deal like Nintendo and Sony balked. I doubt that deal is still on the table
2. FTC had over a year and a half to get their act together. MS announced the deal in January 2022. If they cant prove the deal is bad in 18 months that's their incompetency. Even the CMA got MS to amp up their counter offer and are now in negotiations to finalize the deal with more MS concessions. It looks like the FTC got zero
Our Congress are good people. Don't bad mouth them.The fact that Congress votes for its own raises will never cease to blow my mind. That no system has been set as a check and balance to that is probably the biggest robbery of tax payer money. When no matter how poorly they do collectively, they get theirs. Unless someone knows something about that which I don't.
CMA be like:CMA hold us down baby!
I'm emailing my senator about how weak the FTC is in comparison. It's seems completely outclassed by the businesses it's s supposed to be regulating. And these budget cuts they're receiving surly aren't helping (with a hunch that's the intention).
I don't think Microsoft has, or will offer the CMA anything that would satisfy what they outlined in the divestment document, so I still think this deal is dead.
If you think MS owning Call of Duty means that Playstation will fight LESS for exclusivity, you've lost your mind.No, I gladly admit I want MS to use this to the their advantage. Make Sony think twice about permanent Final Fantasy and Street Fighter exclusives. Hit Sony hard for using their lead position to try and keep games off Gamepass and Xbox.
If Sony wants more great exclusives, I’d recommend reviving Socom, Wipeout, Jumping Flash, Jet Moto, Motor Storm, and Twisted Metal.
I have no love for Sony these days. They shit on BC, disregard Socom, and can’t even keep up with Nintendo on bringing back emulated games. They also are quick to shut down servers. The loss of Evolution Studios and Team ICO really solidified that I’m done with them, at least for the foreseeable future. I don’t even know if PS4 games will be a hassle to run on the PS6, since they haven’t committed to forwards compatibility like MS has.
Xbox and Switch for me for the foreseeable future.
Anyway, I just want to see MS do what Sony would’ve done. Sony used their market leadership position as leverage and now MS has leverage. Don’t care about anyone’s view of fairness.
I call that sus.
Sony makes MLB the show for Xbox. Nothing stops them from getting the new Xbox console info.
I think this is just theatrical performance, nothing more than that.
Our Congress are good people. Don't bad mouth them.
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In negotiations it's never about all or nothing unless one side is so confident in a landslide victory they can hold firm.Khan and her staff are more interested in being right than they are in being effective.
And what Microsoft has to do with this?I keep coming back to this, and it's something that was discussed months ago by myself and others--and no, don't worry, this isn't some ego-boosting "LOOK AT ME I WAS RIGHT AND I AM SMART!" posts.
But we all knew MS was desperate...they wanted to wrap this thing up, and I really feel that both Sony and the FTC could have pushed hard for more deals that would have benefitted them/consumers. And got them.
That's the art of business and/or compromise.
But let's be clear: it's really the FTC and their whiz kid leader that really needed a win here; Jim Ryan and crew might look a bit silly for leaving empty-handed, but on closer inspection they:
...so mission semi-accomplished.
- Played the FTC like a piano
- Made MS sweat bullets
Anyone else feeling a bit concerned about the state of our regulatory agencies?
This too, sadly.
Nothing sus, Sony has Xbox dev kits and MS has PS5 dev kits. What they don’t do is give each other preproduction information of what their next system will have.I call that sus.
Sony makes MLB the show for Xbox. Nothing stops them from getting the new Xbox console info.
I think this is just theatrical performance, nothing more than that.
Legalized bribery in the form of "campaign" contributions. It will be the United State's undoing.
and a good morning to you too.
And what Microsoft has to do with this?
Because I'm not talking about contracts that Microsoft offered to Sony but about deal Bobby Kotick offered Jim Ryan - extension of marketing agreement for Call of Duty which would make it impossible for Microsoft to put COD day one into Game Pass several years after merger.
Jim refused because he wanted to kill the deal.
She's not going to fuck you.
I, on the other hand, am lonely enough...