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[aliadiere25]

LMAO. Just woke up to this. All the shit about organic, quality games, etc... and Sony lives and dies on CoD alone. Fucking hilarious. We've come full circle with what Jim wanted and now this shit is almost over. FINALLY.

Nope. It appears that Microsoft is the one who wanted this deal.... as they've given Sony a 10-year deal.

Sony can go on about their day without the COD deal and still do very well. Microsoft couldn't resist missing out on the billions from Sony.

 

[LostDonkey]

Dangerous precedent.

MS can now demand any future publisher/developer purchase by Sony has to release games on their system.

 

[octiny]

So, it appears that Microsoft is the one who buckled. They know they need Sony more than they need them.

It's the 10 year deal they had offered Sony since the beginning of the 10 year deals, to which Jim Ryan flat out said no.

Jimbo finally bent the knee to almighty Phil.

This pretty much sums up what happened..

 

[OverHeat]

Sony Bungie on Microsoft platform Microsoft Activision on PlayStation what a time to be alive!!!

 

[Fabieter]

MS has a ton of money and theoretically could afford to do this, but it would be insanely stupid. MS didn't get to be a $2.5T by being insanely stupid. They'd lose billions in lost PS sales and fines.

Ms is fine with indiana jones and Starfield not selling 10m each on Playstation 5 which is close to 1b in revenue while still offering the games in gamepass and they passed.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

COD won't last 10 years

I used to think the same thing and I’ve went from someone who played the game religiously to someone who now barely plays them because the MP is doodoo and the SP is not worth a $60-70 investment.

But it appears it’s not slowing down, even with numerous big competitors like Apex and Fortnite.

 

[TrueGrime]

Nope. It appears that Microsoft is the one who wanted this deal.... as they've given Sony a 10-year deal.

Sony can go on about their day without the COD deal and still do very well. Microsoft couldn't resist missing out on the billions from Sony.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Nope. It appears that Microsoft is the one who wanted this deal.... as they've given Sony a 10-year deal.

Sony can go on about their day without the COD deal and still do very well. Microsoft couldn't resist missing out on the billions from Sony.

Didn't Sony literally reveal in court that they bring in nearly $1 billion in revenue every year from COD sales alone and that they require 3rd party profits to fund their ever increasing cost of first party development? Yeah... They don't need COD at all.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Even if Xbox goes away Microsoft would make bank publishing games on PC and Playstation.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Even if Xbox goes away Microsoft would make bank publishing games on PC and Playstation.

You can’t forget about the money the mobile division brings in from the studios under the Activision umbrella.

 

[Fabieter]

Didn't Sony literally reveal in court that they bring in nearly $1 billion in revenue every year from COD sales alone and that they require 3rd party profits to fund their ever increasing cost of first party development? Yeah... They don't need COD at all.

It's obvious that both wanted this deal. You don't buy a company for 69b, make every game available on a 10 buck sub and dont rely on these other platforms. Shareholders would massacre phil for doing so.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Activision is not going to negotiate a deal as an independent entity after already selling themselves to Microsoft

The only casual talks with Bobby occurred assuming the deal were to fail

No, they would be legally required to do so; corporations aren't allowed to negotiate deals pre-acquisition as if they are already actually acquired. And again, after the CMA block, the deal looked genuinely dead, like 95/5 Against. Now it's like 95/5 In Favor, in just three months time.

The value of the PlayStation market and such people are saying Sony maybe leveraged for this late deal, they would have actually been able to do so with ABK independently back in March, April, or even early May. With the FTC's failure and CMA apparently open to "different" remedies shortly after FTC's loss, Sony lost their two biggest bargaining chips in the span of a couple of weeks.

They deal with MS now may be 10-years, but guess what else was in the other 10-year deals? MS retaining 100% of MTX and IAP sales. What's to say that has changed whatsoever with the Sony deal? I'm willing to believe it hasn't.

Ms is fine with indiana jones and Starfield not selling 10m each on Playstation 5 which is close to 1b in revenue while still offering the games in gamepass and they passed.

It's okay; some folks are just conveniently acting like Microsoft suddenly "really cares" about their gaming revenue now, and won't undergo strategies that leave money on the table short-term to push direct competitors out of the market altogether long-term. We have leaked documents showing this intent in plain text, but apparently they're just thought experiments :/

Nope. It appears that Microsoft is the one who wanted this deal.... as they've given Sony a 10-year deal.

Sony can go on about their day without the COD deal and still do very well. Microsoft couldn't resist missing out on the billions from Sony.

This deal is not the power play by Sony some of you want to think it was.

And I'm saying that as someone who has ended up vehemently against the deal over time, after being moderately okay with back at announcement time. Due in large part to the absolutely horrible toxicity Microsoft have enabled online against Sony/PlayStation, their half-truths, bullying and antagonizing of regulatory bodies, and very obvious intentions to push Sony and PlayStation completely out of the market by simply buying their way to dominance with money not earned through the Xbox division's own merits.

 

[TrueGrime]

Didn't Sony literally reveal in court that they bring in nearly $1 billion in revenue every year from COD sales alone and that they require 3rd party profits to fund their ever increasing cost of first party development? Yeah... They don't need COD at all.

I find it hard to believe that some people have been under a rock during this entire argument regarding Sony, CoD, and their need for it.

 

[ManaByte]

It's the 10 year deal they had offered Sony since the beginning of the 10 year deals, to which Jim Ryan flat out said no.

Jimbo finally bent the knee to almighty Phil.

This pretty much sums up what happened..

Phil: “Yo Jimbo, we’re closing tomorrow. You want COD or not?”

Jimbo: “CMA is gonna block your ass!”

Phil: “Fine, it’s your funeral. I’m sure Herman will enjoy being CEO after Japan cans your ass for not ensuring COD stays on PlayStation.”

Jimbo: “Damn you. Give me a pen. “

 

[Bungie]

I mean they have Bungie who have the ultimate FPS pedigree, albeit in sci-fi/space shooters. I'd love to see what they could do with a standard, military shooter.

Bungie isn't the same Bungie anymore. Half the people who made them a top tier FPS studio is long gone sadly.

 

[aliadiere25]

It's obvious that both wanted this deal. You don't buy a company for 69b, make every game available on a 10 buck sub and dont rely on these other platforms. Shareholders would massacre phil for doing so.

Oh, I know. Sony makes a good profit from COD, but they could easily survive without them. But to me, it appears that Microsoft needed this deal to happen more than Sony did. But obviously, Sony is not going to say no to COD.

 

[checkcola]

Now maybe Sony will quit with 1st and 3rd party exclusivity so gamers can "look forward to a future where players globally have more choice to play their favorite games."

It would be nice to be able to buy the latest Final Fantasy on my Xbox Series X if I so choose to.

 

[Hendrick's]

Played brilliantly. They were never going to take CoD off PlayStation anyway. Xbox team are laughing as they walk home carrying a giant bag of loot. A bag of loot they don't have to share because everyone forgot about all the other games involved in this deal.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

It would be nice to be able to buy the latest Final Fantasy on my Xbox Series X if I so choose to.

You're not entitled to Final Fantasy just because you bought a Series X and Square-Enix aren't being "anti-consumer" in not providing it to you on that platform, either. Get a PS5, get a PC, or just skip out on those games.

If someone wanted to play The Medium at launch, and didn't have a PC, they needed to buy a Series S or X. That's how 3P exclusivity deals work. Tired of the entitlement some folks have about 3P exclusive games, as if they're owed them regardless the platform they're on simply because they exist as a (potential) customer.

 

[BennyBlanco]

 

[OverHeat]

But who in there right mind would buy COD for 89.99$ CAD for PS when you can have it on game pass that’s the question.

 

[checkcola]

You're not entitled to Final Fantasy just because you bought a Series X and Square-Enix aren't being "anti-consumer" in not providing it to you on that platform, either. Get a PS5, get a PC, or just skip out on those games.

If someone wanted to play The Medium at launch, and didn't have a PC, they needed to buy a Series S or X. That's how 3P exclusivity deals work. Tired of the entitlement some folks have about 3P exclusive games, as if they're owed them regardless the platform they're on simply because they exist as a (potential) customer.

I didn't say I was entitled to it or said anything about Square Enix or those usual talking points. Heck, I've probably played a full 20 mins of Call of Duty in my entire life (rarely care about FPSers, if I have that itch, I just turn on an old Doom game and mess around for an hour or so, lol). All I said was it'd be nice. That's it. I'm not even sure if that FF is for me anyway. More options are better, I understand money talks, so those people aren't going to care about my opinion. LOL

 

[pasterpl]

It is simple Sony needs that $1.2bn-$1.4bn from COD to support their in house studios and 1st party game development. MS need that $2bn-$3bn from Playstation sales to fund more games and buy more content for gamepass. That deal is a win-win for both companies. Just wondering if it unlock access to early dev kits of the next sony console.

 

[Larvana]

Oh, I know. Sony makes a good profit from COD, but they could easily survive without them. But to me, it appears that Microsoft needed this deal to happen more than Sony did. But obviously, Sony is not going to say no to COD.

Hm, no. Both needed this deal to happen. Sony literally had NO choice after FTC were defeated twice and realized the deal had a 95% chance being approved. They don't want to lose a game that helps fund their first play games.

 

[Corndog]

The optics of Microsoft making a legally binding agreement that went backwards from previous agreements and statements would be awful at this stage with everything fresh on the mind

In fact, I doubt Sony would have signed it if the contract was worse than what was already offered

Instead of speculating why not just wait for more information.

 

[KungFucius]

Dangerous precedent.

MS can now demand any future publisher/developer purchase by Sony has to release games on their system.

Where do you people come up with this shit? Seriously this takes the lame slippery slope argument to the extremely insane. MS signed a 10 year deal to do what no sane company wouldn't do, keep selling 10s of millions of copies of CoD on PlayStation.

 

[SEGA_2012]

Jim Ryan is pathetic. It makes me so sad to see Playstation on his hands.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

But who in there right mind would buy COD for 89.99$ CAD for PS when you can have it on game pass that’s the question.

People who only own a PS and really doesn't want to be on team green

 

[CatLady]

The best thing that's going to happen after this acquisition is over is that we will slowly see the shill numbers dwindle as they are no longer needed to push the acquisition narrative for MS.

Does that include you?

 

[Corndog]

Watch MS create a "new" ip called Duty Calls and make it exclusive to Xbox/PC...

Toilet simulator?

 

[lastmessiah]

Nope. It appears that Microsoft is the one who wanted this deal.... as they've given Sony a 10-year deal.

Sony can go on about their day without the COD deal and still do very well. Microsoft couldn't resist missing out on the billions from Sony.

Yeah Sony doesn't need the COD deal, they'd be fine without it. That's why they just spent years desperately trying to fight this acquisition and explicitly said they depend on CoD. It's all starting to make sense now.

 

[TrebleShot]

It’s a matter of when not IF Microsoft game pass comes to PlayStation consoles.

They offered it once before so it’s just a case of the Sony side caving which of course they will.

 

[Corndog]

MS is so large that it becomes harder to grow

They could see their stock go nowhere for the next decade plus like it did in 2000-2012, and if that happens there will be less appetite for wasteful non essential spending

That was all balmers fault. As soon as he was gone the company started to grow.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Jim Ryan is pathetic. It makes me so sad to see Playstation on his hands.

What else would you have him do?

They are releasing consistent GOTY contender single player games
They’ve got a PC initiative up and running and bought the best PC port house in the business.
Their network revenue is phenomenal.
They’ve bought more studios.
They’ve doubled the size of most studios
They’ve invested in deals for 3rd party games
They’ve decided to add extra R&D spend to develop in areas they don’t traditionally move in.
They bought one of the most successful GAAS companies out there.

He’s been making all the right moves. There wasn’t much he could do about ABK.

His next step will be the most interesting.

There’ll be a response.

They’ve also got something big brewing with cloud. That Netflix thing hasn’t reared it’s head yet.

 

[OverHeat]

People who only own a PS and really doesn't want to be on team green

They don’t have to be on team green to play on game pass

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They don’t have to be on team green to play on game pass

True but if they had a capable PC why would you play it on a console in the first place?

 

[FoxMcChief]

Jim Ryan is pathetic. It makes me so sad to see Playstation on his hands.

It seems like he’s been coasting on past Sony PlayStation successes.

 

[RyanEvans21]

But who in there right mind would buy COD for 89.99$ CAD for PS when you can have it on game pass that’s the question.

Prefer Platform? Plus you have to pay both if you want to play online games.

For example: I'm buying it for PS5, Because my PS+ Expire 2025 (Plus PS+ get discount every Black Friday).

 

[Corndog]

No, you will be looking at more acquisitions and foreclosures on both sides of the aisle like MS has done for almost all of its properties thus far

As has Sony.

 

[Robb]

People who only own a PS and really doesn't want to be on team green

Sony fans who only play CoD once it hits GamePass:

 

[YCoCg]

Begun the buyout wars have

 

[Gudji]

 

[Zok310]

It is simple Sony needs that $1.2bn-$1.4bn from COD to support their in house studios and 1st party game development. MS need that $2bn-$3bn from Playstation sales to fund more games and buy more content for gamepass. That deal is a win-win for both companies. Just wondering if it unlock access to early dev kits of the next sony console.

Yup, the 2 companies best interest now is to allow each other to be as successful as possible when it comes to cod. One hurting the other would also hurt them both.
Its the stupidest way to compete but hey, judges and regulators all over the world felt this was best for us all.

 

[RyanEvans21]

Jim Ryan is pathetic. It makes me so sad to see Playstation on his hands.

Comparing Billion VS Trillion company? Of course microsoft gonna outspend sony

 

[hussar16]

dont think Sony doesnt have something in store for Microsoft, they got a good plan to get back at them , most likely buy out their own games where they do the same

 

[twilo99]

Keep it afloat?

what are you smoking, they are doing great

There are conflicting reports on the matter.

 

[Represent.]

Sony is going to have to either invest very heavily in Apex and Battlefield or create their own COD competitor.

OR

Fuck all that and just double down on what you excel at.

AAA SP IP

Market your console as the place to play premiere single player experiences

 

[Corndog]

No, they would be legally required to do so; corporations aren't allowed to negotiate deals pre-acquisition as if they are already actually acquired. And again, after the CMA block, the deal looked genuinely dead, like 95/5 Against. Now it's like 95/5 In Favor, in just three months time.

The value of the PlayStation market and such people are saying Sony maybe leveraged for this late deal, they would have actually been able to do so with ABK independently back in March, April, or even early May. With the FTC's failure and CMA apparently open to "different" remedies shortly after FTC's loss, Sony lost their two biggest bargaining chips in the span of a couple of weeks.

They deal with MS now may be 10-years, but guess what else was in the other 10-year deals? MS retaining 100% of MTX and IAP sales. What's to say that has changed whatsoever with the Sony deal? I'm willing to believe it hasn't.



It's okay; some folks are just conveniently acting like Microsoft suddenly "really cares" about their gaming revenue now, and won't undergo strategies that leave money on the table short-term to push direct competitors out of the market altogether long-term. We have leaked documents showing this intent in plain text, but apparently they're just thought experiments :/



This deal is not the power play by Sony some of you want to think it was.

And I'm saying that as someone who has ended up vehemently against the deal over time, after being moderately okay with back at announcement time. Due in large part to the absolutely horrible toxicity Microsoft have enabled online against Sony/PlayStation, their half-truths, bullying and antagonizing of regulatory bodies, and very obvious intentions to push Sony and PlayStation completely out of the market by simply buying their way to dominance with money not earned through the Xbox division's own merits.

So why isn’t Spider-Man on Xbox? Sony leaving money on the table.

 

[Bungie]

People who only own a PS and really doesn't want to be on team green

They can get on their browser on PS & cloud stream it from Xbox.com/Play to be on team yellow

 

[aliadiere25]

Yeah Sony doesn't need the COD deal, they'd be fine without it. That's why they just spent years desperately trying to fight this acquisition and explicitly said they depend on CoD. It's all starting to make sense now.

It wasn't just about COD or Activision. It's about what could potentially happen in the future. This deal essentially opens the door to future monopolies and more games going exclusive. The judge made it clear that she thinks it's good for gaming... when it truly isn't. The judge was clearly biased and only saw the deal through Microsoft because they can't compete through hard work.