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[analog_future]

Why do you ask stupid questions?

Sony is woke, insomniac is super woke, you think they let the female lead with nothing to do.

She has to do something to show how useful, smart and slay queen she is, then she is gonna scold peter because she doesn't need him, and then she get saved 3-4 times in the game, easy work for mary jawline watson.

god what a cringe response

 

[SlimySnake]

I think Cyberpunk has some of the most overrated visuals of any game.


Character models are extremely hit or miss, animations are often stiff & unconvincing, facial animations are a step below other modern AAA games, and while the lighting is incredible with path tracing, it also requires an RTX 4090 + DLSS + frame generation + ray reconstruction just to have it run at an acceptable level.


There's about a dozen games I'd take over Cyberpunk, personally.

Sometimes yes. But overall, id put cyberpunk over anything ive played this gen on PC. It does more things right than it does wrong. Same goes for Spiderman and Horizon FW on consoles.

I love Starfield, but its not as consistent as Cyberpunk. That said, i would love to see some 1:1 comparisons of Cyberpunk and Spiderman. Reflections in cyberpunk are godly, but Spiderman seems to have gotten a major upgrade in RT reflections since Miles. Night time lighting in Cyberpunk is better, but Spiderman seems to have better day time lighting, but again, at times cyberpunk looks amazing during day time too so I would like to see a side by side comparison. Character models, cinematics etc are obviously better in spiderman.

 

[GymWolf]

god what a cringe response

Were you expecting a serious answer to the question why super woke insomniac inserted stealth missions when NOBODY liked them in the first game?

What would be your answer? That they are a bunch of morons who gives 2 fucks about gamers feedback? I can use that if it make you feel better...

And it's not really cringe when that is basically what she does in the first game, no reason to believe that the same writers are gonna use her smartly instead of your average stronk woman that need no one.

 

[ChiefDada]

I think Cyberpunk has some of the most overrated visuals of any game.


Character models are extremely hit or miss, animations are often stiff & unconvincing, facial animations are a step below other modern AAA games, and while the lighting is incredible with path tracing, it also requires an RTX 4090 + DLSS + frame generation + ray reconstruction just to have it run at an acceptable level.


There's about a dozen games I'd take over Cyberpunk, personally.

I agree with a lot of this. Cyberpunk's highs are among best graphics in visuals, but I often see a relatively minimal fidelity uplift from the game's bottom basement rasterization efforts to the so-called peak rendering method with path tracing. Look at this gif. I would expect a PT implemantation to yield FAR more stunning results. Why are there still glaring oddities with all of the might of a 4090 and a game mode that was practically coded to the wire for Lovelace GPU, basically PC version of a Sony 1st party game coded for PS5.

 

[Mortisfacio]

Sometimes yes. But overall, id put cyberpunk over anything ive played this gen on PC. It does more things right than it does wrong. Same goes for Spiderman and Horizon FW on consoles.

I love Starfield, but its not as consistent as Cyberpunk. That said, i would love to see some 1:1 comparisons of Cyberpunk and Spiderman. Reflections in cyberpunk are godly, but Spiderman seems to have gotten a major upgrade in RT reflections since Miles. Night time lighting in Cyberpunk is better, but Spiderman seems to have better day time lighting, but again, at times cyberpunk looks amazing during day time too so I would like to see a side by side comparison. Character models, cinematics etc are obviously better in spiderman.

Character models in Spiderman 2

Lady in the background looks like she belongs in Gran Turismo 6.

I'll tell my kids this is a Bethesda game. Seems more fitting.

 

[SlimySnake]

Character models in Spiderman 2

Lady in the background looks like she belongs in Gran Turismo 6.

I mean i can post disingenious comparisons too.

i am talking about character models in cutscenes when they are up close and personal.

vs

If everyone in the game looked like Idris then yes, Id give it to cyberpunk. But you can compare the president in the DLC with Idris or Keanu with Idris and its a generational difference. Spiderman character models might not be as good as Naughty Dog's but they are far more consistent than Cyberpunks.

 

[Senua]

Why does MJ look like Mask?

 

[GymWolf]

I mean i can post disingenious comparisons too.

i am talking about character models in cutscenes when they are up close and personal.

vs

If everyone in the game looked like Idris then yes, Id give it to cyberpunk. But you can compare the president in the DLC with Idris or Keanu with Idris and its a generational difference. Spiderman character models might not be as good as Naughty Dog's but they are far more consistent than Cyberpunks.

No they are not, do i need to show again oscorp jr or miles mom? Those are main characters and they look meh (mom is downright an insult to character rendering)

Cyberpunk also has probably way, way more npcs that give sidequest so it has an excuse for being uneven, spiderman cast is very little, they should all look better than fucking aloy from a 2 years old crossgen game that is also the way bigger game (we can return on this but insomniac open worlds are small compared to modern titans).

Npcs around the streets also look way better than pedestrians in sp2 from the pics people posted here for the 2 games, random npcs in cp can look great but all the pedestrian in sp2 look ok at best.

 

[Mortisfacio]

vs

If everyone in the game looked like Idris then yes, Id give it to cyberpunk. But you can compare the president in the DLC with Idris or Keanu with Idris and its a generational difference. Spiderman character models might not be as good as Naughty Dog's but they are far more consistent than Cyberpunks.

Comparing core characters to core characters, still it's CyberPunk. Just looks better than MJ here. There's more detail to the clothing even, where MJs jacket looks blotchy. Spiderman cutscenes remind me of It Takes Two

It's not to say it's bad, just not cutting edge like it's being touted as.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I mean i can post disingenious comparisons too.

i am talking about character models in cutscenes when they are up close and personal.

vs

If everyone in the game looked like Idris then yes, Id give it to cyberpunk. But you can compare the president in the DLC with Idris or Keanu with Idris and its a generational difference. Spiderman character models might not be as good as Naughty Dog's but they are far more consistent than Cyberpunks.

Characters in Cyberpunk = in gameplay, you can move your camera, quite often you can move your character.

Characters in Spider-Man 2 = in cinematic, you have 0 control. I haven't played it yet but quite possible it switches to different LOD for these sequences.

Images stolen from CP thread.

Random NPCs:

Story characters:

 

[Topher]

What's the point being made here? That Spider-man 2 does not de-thrown Cyberpunk 2077 as the single most graphically impressive game there is? Not sure that should surprise anyone. But also, are we comparing Cyberpunk 2077 on PC to Spider-man 2 on PS5?

 

[SlimySnake]

Characters in Cyberpunk = in gameplay, you can move your camera, quite often you can move your character.

Actually, there are a lot of scenes in Cyberpunk that lock down the camera and dont let you move around like you could in half life 2. That is when you see the highest LOD models. Just like would in Spiderman 2 close ups.

They are just in first person but they are fully animated and locked just like third person scenes would be.

No they are not, do i need to show again oscorp jr or miles mom? Those are main characters and they look meh (mom is downright an insult to character rendering)

Cyberpunk also has probably way, way more npcs that give sidequest so it has an excuse for being uneven, spiderman cast is very little, they should all look better than fucking aloy from a 2 years old crossgen game that is also the way bigger game (we can return on this but insomniac open worlds are small compared to modern titans).

Npcs around the streets also look way better than pedestrians in sp2 from the pics people posted here for the 2 games, random npcs in cp can look great but all the pedestrian in sp2 look ok at best.

We shall see. Miles mom looks like shit I agree.

Right now i'd give cutscenes, facial animations and character models to Spiderman based on Peter, Miles, Venom, and MJ. That leaves Kraven and Oscorp Jr, but while Kraven looks plasticy like the screenshots midgen posted above, Harry is still better animated and has better facial expressions.

Insomniac's cutscenes simply look better though CD project probably didnt do themselves any favor by going with retarded first person storytelling that limited what they could do with cutscene composition, cinematography and DoF effects.

 

[GymWolf]

Actually, there are a lot of scenes in Cyberpunk that lock down the camera and dont let you move around like you could in half life 2. That is when you see the highest LOD models. Just like would in Spiderman 2 close ups.

They are just in first person but they are fully animated and locked just like third person scenes would be.


We shall see. Miles mom looks like shit I agree.

Right now i'd give cutscenes, facial animations and character models to Spiderman based on Peter, Miles, Venom, and MJ. That leaves Kraven and Oscorp Jr, but while Kraven looks plasticy like the screenshots midgen posted above, Harry is still better animated and has better facial expressions.

Insomniac's cutscenes simply look better though CD project probably didnt do themselves any favor by going with retarded first person storytelling that limited what they could do with cutscene composition, cinematography and DoF effects.

Cyberpunk doesn't have cutscenes, you should compare facial animations from ingame chitchat.

Also wow they are really hamming hard on the bad boy peter ready to get scolded by token spidey and MJawline uh?

 

[GymWolf]

What's the point being made here? That Spider-man 2 does not de-thrown Cyberpunk 2077 as the single most graphically impressive game there is? Not sure that should surprise anyone. But also, are we comparing Cyberpunk 2077 on PC to Spider-man 2 on PS5?

It doesn't even dethrone horizon 2, let's be real.

For every pics or gif you can find about sp2 i can find the same or more impressive from that one.

The point here is that a full fledged nextgen game should utterly buttfuck a crossgen game from 2 years ago in every single aspect, but alas...

The only thing getting butt fucked here is the audience forced to play stealth section with mj again...

 

[SlimySnake]

Cyberpunk doesn't have cutscenes, you should compare facial animations from ingame chitchat.

Also wow they are really hamming hard on the bad boy peter ready to get scolded by token spidey and MJawline uh?

lol when was the last time you played Cyberpunk? There are plenty of cutscenes.

There are also dialogue scenes but the game has a lot of realtime cutscenes that are from the first person POV. And you cant move the camera around in those scenes.

 

[GymWolf]

lol when was the last time you played Cyberpunk? There are plenty of cutscenes.

There are also dialogue scenes but the game has a lot of realtime cutscenes that are from the first person POV. And you cant move the camera around in those scenes.

Those don't really look cutscenes to me...like not in the classic sense.

Models don't get any improvement whatsoever and digital acting remain the exact same as normal chitchats, good but not great.

 

[Mortisfacio]

It doesn't even dethrone horizon 2, let's be real.

For every pics or gif you can find about sp2 i can find the same or more impressive from that one.

The point here is that a full fledged nextgen should utterly buttfuck a crossgen game from 2 years ago.

The only thing getting butt fucked here is the audience forced to play stealth section with mj again...

I'm more impressed how it can look next gen/cutting edge and like a last gen UE4 title simultaneously. Some of the cutscenes/scripted sequences look absolutely beautiful, then the character models and some shots like this look UE4

 

[GymWolf]

I'm more impressed how it can look next gen/cutting edge and like a last gen UE4 title simultaneously. Some of the cutscenes/scripted sequences look absolutely beautiful, then the character models and some shots like this look UE4

Nextgen start when insomniac say so indeed.

 

[SlimySnake]

Those don't really look cutscenes to me...like not in the classic sense.

Models don't get any improvement whatsoever and digital acting remain the exact same as normal chitchats, good but not great.

Yeah thats precisely what i mean, but they are definitely animated and locked.

Here. Look at the first 30 seconds in the Phantom Liberty cutscene. Its in first person but you dont have any control over the camera movements like you did in half life 2 and in other character vs character dialogue scenes in cyberpunk. They are fully mocapped and animated, just in first person.



Do you remember the cyborg chase scene in the base game? When the cyberborg jumps on the roof of your car and does a barrell roll, the camera tracks it gracefully. they take control from you to make sure you see those cool story moments instead of looking the other way.

 

[Fbh]

I don't know, characters in Spiderman 2 look ok in screenshots but in motion they have this awkward uncanny valley effect to me (like most games by Supermassive Games and Capcom)
The artstyle is like almost realistic but still slightly stylized, and the motions and facial expressions often seem exaggerated.

 

[Senua]

I'm more impressed how it can look next gen/cutting edge and like a last gen UE4 title simultaneously. Some of the cutscenes/scripted sequences look absolutely beautiful, then the character models and some shots like this look UE4

It's the buildings that ruin it for me, so much flat and bland texture work. Spiderman 1 they looked fantastic in for the time, but I'm really not seeing a "generational" improvement in that regard, at all.

 

[GymWolf]

It's the buildings that ruin it for me, so much flat and bland texture work. Spiderman 1 they looked fantastic in for the time, but I'm really not seeing a "generational" improvement in that regard, at all.

I have no idea why no other game use tesselation like demons remake to make things less flat.

It reminds me of chaos theory and riddick on xbox og vs ps2 games, flat vs bump mapping, that shit was crazy on console.

 

[Topher]

The point here is that a full fledged nextgen game should utterly buttfuck a crossgen game from 2 years ago in every single aspect, but alas...

But my point is the "cross gen" game would be the PS5 version, not the PC version. There are games from the last gen on PC that look superior to current gen games on PS5.

 

[Mortisfacio]

It's the buildings that ruin it for me, so much flat and bland texture work. Spiderman 1 they looked fantastic in for the time, but I'm really not seeing a "generational" improvement in that regard, at all.

Exactly. I'd be curious to see once this comes to PC if the mod community does a texture improvement. So much of the building textures, particularly where it's designed to look like rust or chipped paint, look like low res upscales.

 

[GymWolf]

But my point is the "cross gen" game would be the PS5 version, not the PC version. There are games from the last gen on PC that look superior to current gen games on PS5.

I never saw cyberpunk on ps5 so i can't judge.

 

[SlimySnake]

I have no idea why no other game use tesselation like demons remake to make things less flat.

It reminds me of chaos theory and riddick on xbox og vs ps2 games, flat vs bump mapping, that shit was crazy on console.

riddick was insane on xbox. generational leap over anything on the PS2 at the time. hell doom 3 on pc looked way better to me than Halo 3. Its a shame we went open world in every genre after the xbox 360 came out. we lost those high quality 3d modeled interiors for almost two generations. The Order last gen and Starfield this gen are the only ones that feel like actual 3d modeled objects and walls instead of 2d textures.

tesselation is very expensive on the GPU. i remember using it on my PC back in 2011 and it would completely crush the framerate. its no wonder most games last gen didnt even bother shipping with tesselation settings on PC. i think AC unity had nvidia sponsored tesselation but that was the last time i saw it in a major release. But you can get around that by modeling your buildings better. If you give them a 3d appearance while modeling them instead of using simple objects with textures planted on top, there is no need for tessellation.

 

[miklonus]

The Tom Holland-inspired Peter Parker face-lift being re-used from Spider-Man Remastered and Mary Jane's new face are my biggest pet peeves.

I hate everything Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man represents, so imagine how I feel knowing Tom's fave is the face going forward.

 

[Topher]

I hate everything Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man represents,

What does Tom Holland's version of Spider-man represent?

 

[miklonus]

What does Tom Holland's version of Spider-man represent?

My dissatisfaction with marvel Studios overall since 2008, and how Kevin Feige has portrayed Spider-Man since 2016 particularly. Not a fan of it.

You like Tom's version?

 

[Mortisfacio]

What does Tom Holland's version of Spider-man represent?

The Joss Whedon take on the Super Hero genre is what it represents for me. It's destroyed my love for the genre.

 

[mansoor1980]

spider-man 2 is much better at rendering draw distance and fast traversal compared to cyberpunk 2077
thanks to the streaming tech that insomniac is using

 

[GymWolf]

riddick was insane on xbox. generational leap over anything on the PS2 at the time. hell doom 3 on pc looked way better to me than Halo 3. Its a shame we went open world in every genre after the xbox 360 came out. we lost those high quality 3d modeled interiors for almost two generations. The Order last gen and Starfield this gen are the only ones that feel like actual 3d modeled objects and walls instead of 2d textures.

tesselation is very expensive on the GPU. i remember using it on my PC back in 2011 and it would completely crush the framerate. its no wonder most games last gen didnt even bother shipping with tesselation settings on PC. i think AC unity had nvidia sponsored tesselation but that was the last time i saw it in a major release. But you can get around that by modeling your buildings better. If you give them a 3d appearance while modeling them instead of using simple objects with textures planted on top, there is no need for tessellation.

The downside of that is that these 2 games have literally untouchable indoors, no destruction whatsoever, the order even had points where you shot walls and shit and you don't even have bullet marks.

They look pristine because they are basically fake movie sets.

Same for that infamous daughter room in uchy4.

I think chaos theory was even more impressive than riddick on xbox, the first level under the rain was the best thing out there graphic wise.

 

[miklonus]

The Joss Whedon take on the Super Hero genre is what it represents for me. It's destroyed my love for the genre.

I still love comic book characters, hence me partaking in this thread right now due to Spider-Man's incoming release, but I absolutely despise that lame-ass face they're using of Peter. How the fuck did they get me to like a 2018 PS4 version more preferably?

 

[Topher]

My dissatisfaction with marvel Studios overall since 2008, and how Kevin Feige has portrayed Spider-Man since 2016 particularly. Not a fan of it.

You like Tom's version?

I mean.....I haven't really put much thought into it. I think the Spider-man movies peaked with Sam Raimi's Spider-man 2. Probably one of the best super-hero movies ever made. Nothing has come close since, imo. So I guess I'm agreeing with you now that I put some thought into it. lol

Either way, I really don't care about the face used in the game.

The Joss Whedon take on the Super Hero genre is what it represents for me. It's destroyed my love for the genre.

Really? I thought Joss Whedon's first Avengers movie was fantastic. What is it that you don't like about his take on them?

 

[alloush]

 

[GymWolf]

My dissatisfaction with marvel Studios overall since 2008, and how Kevin Feige has portrayed Spider-Man since 2016 particularly. Not a fan of it.

You like Tom's version?

I think the actor is talented and he put the heart in the role, but everything else is trash of the highest order, nerd flash, fatso friend, obnoxious annoyed mary jane, shitty villains (great actors tho), robo suit etc.

I honestly prefer spidey 2018 over all the movie spidey since raimi sp3 (shit movie but we got god tier bully mcguire memes)

 

[GymWolf]

Generational difference on display here.

 

[arkhamguy123]

I think the actor is talented and he put the heart in the role, but everything else is trash of the highest order, nerd flash, fatso friend, obnoxious annoyed mary jane, shitty villains (great actors tho), robo suit etc.

I honestly prefer spidey 2018 over all the movie spidey since raimi sp3 (shit movie but we got god tier bully mcguire memes)

There is no good Spider-Man movie post 2004

(TASM1 and Homecoming come close though)

 

[moon knight]

Character models in Spiderman 2

Lady in the background looks like she belongs in Gran Turismo 6.

I'll tell my kids this is a Bethesda game. Seems more fitting.

Lighting looks very flat here.

 

[GymWolf]

There is no good Spider-Man movie post 2004

(TASM1 and Homecoming come close though)

Ugh, i hate garfield cringe ass acting as peter and homecoming gave me cancer and chlamydia.

 

[rofif]

Generational difference on display here.

It's just reflections. You dont need rt to do that.
But yeah, it looks good

 

[Mobilemofo]

Why do you ask stupid questions?

Sony is woke, insomniac is super woke, you think they let the female lead with nothing to do.

She has to do something to show how useful, smart and slay queen she is, then she is gonna scold peter because she doesn't need him, and then she get saved 3-4 times in the game, easy work for mary jawline watson.

You got beef with Marys jawline? That's some personal shit right there.

 

[GymWolf]

It's just reflections. You dont need rt to do that.
But yeah, it looks good

I was being ironic, without the puddle i could not tell which one is sp2.

You got beef with Marys jawline? That's some personal shit right there.

No, she is clearly the one with the beefy cheecks.

 

[rofif]

I was being ironic, without the puddle i could not tell which one is sp2.

No, she is clearly the one with the beefy cheecks.

Fair enough haha !

 

[ChiefDada]

I love how all of the SM2 comparisons are against PS5 only SM Remastered. Tell you all you need to know about insomniac being held to higher standards than others.

 

[SlimySnake]

There is no good Spider-Man movie post 2004

(TASM1 and Homecoming come close though)

You lot with the ridiculous TASM hate is why we never got more Andrew Garfield spiderman movies. He was great and I was surprised to see him get the loudest cheers at the theater. Was totally expected people to cheer louder for Tobey McGuire but its clear that Andrew Garfield and TASM movies were loved, but the internet outrage convinced Sony to kill the franchise and go with safe, formulaic and boring marvel version of Spiderman.

Spiderman has never looked better than it did in TASM 2. Director knew how to shoot and light the action scenes, and hans zimmer killed it with the soundtrack. I cant even remember a single track or setpiece from the generic Tom Holland movies.

 

[GymWolf]

I love how all of the SM2 comparisons are against PS5 only SM Remastered. Tell you all you need to know about insomniac being held to higher standards than others.

Do we have any other city based nextgen only open world game for similar comparisons?

Wd legion is crossgen and people posted pics of that one that looked not much worse than sp2 tbh.

 

[Turk1993]

You lot with the ridiculous TASM hate is why we never got more Andrew Garfield spiderman movies. He was great and I was surprised to see him get the loudest cheers at the theater. Was totally expected people to cheer louder for Tobey McGuire but its clear that Andrew Garfield and TASM movies were loved, but the internet outrage convinced Sony to kill the franchise and go with safe, formulaic and boring marvel version of Spiderman.

Spiderman has never looked better than it did in TASM 2. Director knew how to shoot and light the action scenes, and hans zimmer killed it with the soundtrack. I cant even remember a single track or setpiece from the generic Tom Holland movies.

Best Spiderman (as a character) and best visuals out of any Spiderman movie. This shits on any Tom Holland Spiderman visually. We watched the tech breakdown in my class with our jaws open. The way they did the VFX and CGI in those movies are cheff kiss. The little details are insane and the camera movement was just icing on the cake.

 

[GymWolf]

People who cheer for garfield spiderman should be castrated on the spot.

 

[alloush]

Generational difference on display here.

You been on a rampage against Spidey 2 man, Chief would like to have a word with you!