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You called me jesus something early in the day

Italian Jesus, GymWolf, Dove of Peace.

Ignore graphics because obviously this looks like a PS4 Pro game but this is the attention to detail that I can get behind:



Also, that fast travel time.. DAMN every single time!

 

[GymWolf]

Atomic heart is super uneven (except some sections like the intro), but the high are impressive for an AA made by a russian team at their first big game.

My brain automatically adjust to AA expectations when i play, so this is why you see me praise way more AA games than AAA games, i'm easily impressed by small devs punching above their weightclass but i'm super critical with devs like insomniac.

 

[SlimySnake]

Thanks for response ...do you think devs will bother going back and patching games once the Pro comes out? This is a big concern I have. When PS5 came out devs were extremely slow to update games for it and many games never got updated. We won't be able to play games like Avatar, Jedi Survivor, Cyberpunk, and Alan Wake 2 at 60 fps/quality without a patch ..

good question. trying to think of some 2015 games that got a pro patch.

Witcher 3 was released in May 2015 and got a pro patch but only after x1x came out. I think Rise of tomb raider was also patched on the Pro. But most 2015 sony games like Bloodborne, The order, and Until Dawn never got patched. Batman AK also came out in 2015 and didnt get patched, but after the flurry of DLCs, it might get patched after 8 years lmao.

If it makes you feel any better division also came out in march 2016 and was patched a month after the pro came out in december 2016. They also patched Division 2 for the PS5 and XSX to put in a 60 fps mode.

I dont think AC syndicate got a pro patch either, but I think devs have realized just how easy it is to unlock framerates in existing games and if they ship with an unlocked vrr toggle or DRS, it will probably run at 60 fps without a patch. pretty sure the Spiderman 2 vrr 40+ fps mode that runs at 1440p at all times, but has DRS built in to hit native 4k. It never even remotely gets there so i was wondering why even add it. I guess they know the pro is coming and shipping the game with an unlocked vrr mode with DRS today saves them from releasing a patch next year.

 

[SlimySnake]

Italian Jesus, GymWolf, Dove of Peace.

Ignore graphics because obviously this looks like a PS4 Pro game but this is the attention to detail that I can get behind:



Also, that fast travel time.. DAMN every single time!

Dude thats nothing. My feed is full of some amazing NPC conversations and easter eggs. He joins a bunch of hippies doing yoga, gives an improptu interview to a journalist, and my favorite was stopping at a random arrest of a bunch of criminals with one criminal and a lady going back and forth about his innocence. Oh and this one guy was shaken up after a car accident and the paramedic took him through concussion tests on the streets while everyone honked behind them.

Every time i go on the ground, i hear conversations all around me. Its not just people calling out to me like they do in RDR2, its random strangers talking to each other. And no, not the precanned ones like the nanny conversation that went viral, just people talking to each other. it feels so real. they clearly put in a lot of effort into the open world.

 

[rofif]

I launched tlou part 1 again just to see how it fares after aw2 on ps5…,
Jesus Christ. Have we been smoking grape juice?! It looks so much better than aw2.
Amazing detail, gi from flashlight and it even illuminates spores.
Amazing water, hdr, clean 4k at around 40 lfc unlocked fps. No grain or break up in sight. Clear ssr with perfect sharp cube maps fallback. Honestly looks better than rt.
Frankly I can’t believe how good it looks and runs. So much sharper, cleaner and faster than aw2. On console? No contest.
And dear god the dualsense use. I gotta play more than the tutorial.

Only one gripe. Joel’s face looks like ass in any shadow. Everything else and other people look good but Joel can look like a muppet. But I think it has more to do with his face than tech. Aw2 doesn’t allow you to see the face at all.

I need to try tlou2 too again since I remember it looking better than part 1 but it can’t be right.
Unless part 1 drops after the tutorial chapter, it is good looking… or rather up up there

 

[ckstine]

I launched tlou part 1 again just to see how it fares after aw2 on ps5…,
Jesus Christ. Have we been smoking grape juice?! It looks so much better than aw2.
Amazing detail, gi from flashlight and it even illuminates spores.
Amazing water, hdr, clean 4k at around 40 lfc unlocked fps. No grain or break up in sight. Clear ssr with perfect sharp cube maps fallback. Honestly looks better than rt.
Frankly I can’t believe how good it looks and runs. So much sharper, cleaner and faster than aw2. On console? No contest.
And dear god the dualsense use. I gotta play more than the tutorial.

Only one gripe. Joel’s face looks like ass in any shadow. Everything else and other people look good but Joel can look like a muppet. But I think it has more to do with his face than tech. Aw2 doesn’t allow you to see the face at all.

I need to try tlou2 too again since I remember it looking better than part 1 but it can’t be right.
Unless part 1 drops after the tutorial chapter, it is good looking

This is an april fools, right? RIGHT? I'm sorry, but this is probably one of the most boneheaded posts I've ever read. SSR looks better than rt? Really? Fucking really, dude? I mean... yikes.

 

[analog_future]

I launched tlou part 1 again just to see how it fares after aw2 on ps5…,
Jesus Christ. Have we been smoking grape juice?! It looks so much better than aw2.
Amazing detail, gi from flashlight and it even illuminates spores.
Amazing water, hdr, clean 4k at around 40 lfc unlocked fps. No grain or break up in sight. Clear ssr with perfect sharp cube maps fallback. Honestly looks better than rt.
Frankly I can’t believe how good it looks and runs. So much sharper, cleaner and faster than aw2. On console? No contest.
And dear god the dualsense use. I gotta play more than the tutorial.

Only one gripe. Joel’s face looks like ass in any shadow. Everything else and other people look good but Joel can look like a muppet. But I think it has more to do with his face than tech. Aw2 doesn’t allow you to see the face at all.

I need to try tlou2 too again since I remember it looking better than part 1 but it can’t be right.
Unless part 1 drops after the tutorial chapter, it is good looking

I played TLOU Part I: Left Behind maxed out on my PC like a month ago and outside of cinematics it's literally a generation behind AW2.

 

[Schmendrick]

I launched tlou part 1 again just to see how it fares after aw2 on ps5…,
Jesus Christ. Have we been smoking grape juice?! It looks so much better than aw2.

I expect nothing less from someone who thinks Forspoken is a graphical showcase.

Ouch.....

 

[ckstine]

I expect nothing less from someone who thinks Forspoken is a graphical showcase.

Ouch.....

Wait does rofif actually think forspoken is good looking? I always thought that was a bit

 

[rofif]

This is an april fools, right? RIGHT? I'm sorry, but this is probably one of the most boneheaded posts I've ever read. SSR looks better than rt? Really? Fucking really, dude? I mean... yikes.

Compare clean ssr and correct cube maps fallback to gray grainy voids in aw2 on console. And rt it’s usually blurry. But I am mainly training console here.

I played TLOU Part I: Left Behind maxed out on my PC like a month ago and outside of cinematics it's literally a generation behind AW2.

You are delusional. Part1 looks way better than aw2 on ps5. Aw2 got shit iq, mid animations, terrible grain, 0 reflections and 1200p fsr break up. They didn’t put any effort in aw2 on ps5

I expect nothing less from someone who thinks Forspoken is a graphical showcase.

Ouch.....

i always said it looks good compared to people saying its a terrible looking game. I never said it’s a showcase. But it can look good with hdr.

Wait does rofif actually think forspoken is good looking? I always thought that was a bit

wtf. Play the game. It’s not part1 or aw2 but it’s pretty good looking.

 

[analog_future]

Compare clean ssr and correct cube maps fallback to gray grainy voids in aw2 on console. And rt it’s usually blurry. But I am mainly training console here.

You are delusional. Part1 looks way better than aw2 on ps5. Aw2 got shit iq, mid animations, terrible grain, 0 reflections and 1200p fsr break up. They didn’t put any effort in aw2 on ps5

i always said it looks good compared to people saying its a terrible looking game. I never said it’s a showcase. But it can look good with hdr.

wtf. Play the game. It’s not part1 or aw2 but it’s pretty good looking.

Yeah I'm playing AW2 maxed out on PC as well so I can't comment on the PS5 version.


I'm going to reiterate that I think PC vs consoles is going to be a whole different ballgame for the rest of this gen. Consoles just aren't going to be able to keep up with the RT/PT/DLSS/Ray Reconstruction/Frame Gen that high-end PC gaming offers.


Oh and can you cool it with the attacks? We can disagree without resorting to being assholes to eachother.

 

[rofif]

Yeah I'm playing AW2 maxed out on PC as well so I can't comment on the PS5 version.


I'm going to reiterate that I think PC vs consoles is going to be a whole different ballgame for the rest of this gen. Consoles just aren't going to be able to keep up with RT/PT/DLSS/Ray Reconstruction/Frame Gen that high-end PC gaming offers.


Oh and can you cool it with the attacks? We can disagree without resorting to being assholes to eachother.

I feel as I was attacked by multiple people with forspoken shit again. It’s so cheap and triggering.
I am talking about ps5 here.
Don’t care if aw2 on a 4090 looks better. Of course it does. But it’s not that huge gap between part 1 still.

 

[analog_future]

I feel as I was attacked by multiple people.
I am talking about ps5.
Don’t care if aw2 on a 4090 looks better. Of course it does. But it’s not that huge gap between part 1 still.

Yes it is. I've played both on a 4090. Have you?

 

[rofif]

Yes it is. I've played both on a 4090. Have you?

Why would I.
I finished the terrible ps5 version and part1 looks better than it.
Obviously pc looks better but at what cost.
I saw videos. I don’t need to buy it again on pc. I know 3.5 and pt makes a difference but part 1 still holds its own

 

[SKYF@ll]

RoboCop indoors Vs. rofif, a battle for the ages:

Indoor images of Spider-Man 2.(Fidelity 40fps/VRR/smooth)
The first two images are in photo mode and the remaining three are in-game images.

 

[SlimySnake]

I just remembered this was a thing at the start of last gen when these pics of skyrim with a 100 mods came out and people said next gen consoles (ps4 x1) could never handle these. it took some time, but they were easily topped by witcher 3 then uncharted 4 and horizon, and in fact, halo infinite looked a lot like it and was crucified for looking too poor.

 

[Represent.]

So with the GTA 6 announcement coming this week, its time to really discuss what we expect from the upcoming behemoth.

I expect this level of fidelity in cutscenes along with:

- The best physics in gaming.
- The most realized and lively open world ever.
- The best explosions in gaming.
- Excellent animations, only matched by ND.

 

[Monserrat]

Yo is your name based on this ufc fighter?

Nope

 

[RavionUHD]

Some more Alan Wake 2 on PC in Ultrawide with Path Tracing, DLDSR, DLSS and ReShade:

 

[GooseMan69]

If Rockstar skimps out on innovation and fidelity, you KNOW it’s over. I will lose all hope. I don’t think that will be the case though. I will be stunned if they don’t deliver the goods.

 

[Represent.]

If Rockstar skimps out on innovation and fidelity, you KNOW it’s over. I will lose all hope. I don’t think that will be the case though. I will be stunned if they don’t deliver the goods.

I'm actually more looking forward to things like physics, animations, AI, hit reaction, gore systems, getting pushed more so than just pure fidelity. Other games will push pure fidelity, eventually. we need a game that pushes these things to an unseen level.

 

[rhodesianshepard]

I would be perfectly satisfied if GTA 6 has Alan Wake 2 graphics but with much better animations

 

[GooseMan69]

I'm actually more looking forward to things like physics, animations, AI, hit reaction, gore systems, getting pushed more so than just pure fidelity. Other games will push pure fidelity, eventually. we need a game that pushes these things to an unseen level.

Right, kinda what I meant by innovation. I hope they expand on the amazing AI that Red Dead 2 had. Nobody seems to give a fuck about AI behavior except Rockstar and ND.

 

[Represent.]

God I fucking hope GTA6 is a 30fps only title.

The amount of people that would shut up.

I would be in fucking heaven.

 

[arkhamguy123]

God I fucking hope GTA6 is a 30fps only title.

The amount of people that would shut up.

I would be in fucking heaven.

I think it will be. I think we’ll get lucky. Notice how they didn’t give a single solitary fuck to update RDR2 to 60 on next gen despite fans bitching at them.

Rockstar does what rockstar wants

 

[Balducci30]

Is it controversial to say that robocop city looks better from ground view than sp2?

I mean controversial for anyone not called chiefdata.

I’m playing it. The fact that the environments in many cases look better than most all the first party output this gen is crazy to me. How did an AA team make that happen. Plus they’re more destructible in many ways…

 

[rofif]

So with the GTA 6 announcement coming this week, its time to really discuss what we expect from the upcoming behemoth.

I expect this level of fidelity in cutscenes along with:

- The best physics in gaming.
- The most realized and lively open world ever.
- The best explosions in gaming.
- Excellent animations, only matched by ND.

And terrible backwards ass mission design.
GTA 4 was the best. Downhill since that.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

And terrible backwards ass mission design.
GTA 4 was the best. Downhill since that.

This. Red Dead Redemption 2 felt like two battling game design philosophies. You had amazing, immersive open world where you could go wherever and do whatever. And then you had some of the most restrictive missions that punished you for even trying to think and do things your way.

My main expectation is for GTA VI to be a better game: give me an objective, give me a sandbox and let me loose.

 

[Represent.]

I think it will be. I think we’ll get lucky. Notice how they didn’t give a single solitary fuck to update RDR2 to 60 on next gen despite fans bitching at them.

Rockstar does what rockstar wants

Ahh yes, good point, lack of RDR2 60FPS gives me hope.

GTA6 could be a game changer - If its looks amazing and does all these things with physics, and they market it to the framenerds as "30fps allows us to do these things with physics that 60 doesnt", theyd eat it up. and then maybe, just maybe, we'd stop having fuckers beg devs to make their games 60gps all the damn time.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Indoor images of Spider-Man 2.(Fidelity 40fps/VRR/smooth)
The first two images are in photo mode and the remaining three are in-game images.

Cool shots. Contrast seems to be high but I guess that’s up to personal preference. Sadly, there’s no photo mode in RoboCop so every screenshot is in game. You point your character and take a snap.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Ahh yes, good point, lack of RDR2 60FPS gives me hope.

GTA6 could be a game changer - If its looks amazing and does all these things with physics, and they market it to the framenerds as "30fps allows us to do these things with physics that 60 doesnt", theyd eat it up. and then maybe, just maybe, we'd stop having fuckers beg devs to make their games 60gps all the damn time.

All cutting edge current gen console games should aim for a locked 30FPS. That’s where all resources and optimisation should go. And then they should have additional options for up to 40, 60, 120 that obviously wouldn’t be met on today’s hardware but could be used on future generations.

 

[PeteBull]

All cutting edge current gen console games should aim for a locked 30FPS. That’s where all resources and optimisation should go. And then they should have additional options for up to 40, 60, 120 that obviously wouldn’t be met on today’s hardware but could be used on future generations.

I think in a year with ps5pr0 launched it will be the case for most graphics intense games, just so 60fps console only crowd got no excuse- wanna play at 60 on console-get a pr0.

 

[Represent.]

All cutting edge current gen console games should aim for a locked 30FPS. That’s where all resources and optimisation should go. And then they should have additional options for up to 40, 60, 120 that obviously wouldn’t be met on today’s hardware but could be used on future generations.

I want absolutely nothing cut back for sake of framerate. push everything to the absolute max, at a solid 30.

If you're gonna have a performance mode, do it on the PS5 Pro. which is exactly what i think theyll do. this thing will launch right around the ps5 pro launch.

base ps5/X will be locked at 30, Pro's will get the performance mode.

 

[arkhamguy123]

I want absolutely nothing cut back for sake of framerate. push everything to the absolute max, at a solid 30.

If you're gonna have a performance mode, do it on the PS5 Pro. which is exactly what i think theyll do. this thing will launch right around the ps5 pro launch.

base ps5/X will be locked at 30, Pro's will get the performance mode.

In rockstar we trust

 

[GymWolf]

Nobody expect good mission design from rockstar, we just want their trademark believable world full of details everywhere.

 

[Xtib81]

God I fucking hope GTA6 is a 30fps only title.

The amount of people that would shut up.

I would be in fucking heaven.

As long as a pro model gives a 60fps option, I'm fine. That's almost a given that GTA6 will be capped at 30fps on base consoles. And tbh, I'm not even convinced Rockstar will bother with a performance mode on the ps5 pro, these fuckers haven't even released a 60fps patch for rdr2.

 

[RaduN]

And terrible backwards ass mission design.
GTA 4 was the best. Downhill since that.

Easily, i mean is there anyone that could actually argue that?

 

[Team Andromeda]

I still say people really need to invest in a really good TV if they want to see what this gen can really do.
It's still a big leap over what the last-gen launch systems could offer and IMO we've yet to see both consoles really pushed to their limits.

 

[Xtib81]

IMO we've yet to see both consoles really pushed to their limits.

Well, I don't know. Games nowadays can't even maintain decent resolution without using this shitty fsr2 and can barely do ray tracing. Add 60fps in the mix and you have PS4+ visuals. I'd say their limits have already been reached actually.

 

[PeteBull]

Well, I don't know. Games nowadays can't even maintain decent resolution without using this shitty fsr2 and can barely do ray tracing. Add 60fps in the mix and you have PS4+ visuals. I'd say their limits have already been reached actually.

It cant be helped, generational jump in gpu was really small this gen, so from ps4's 1080p30 to even 1440p60 it takes up so much gpu resources nothing much is left for bells and whilstels.
Quick math 1080p30 to 1440p60(native) is 178% of pixels, x2 coz of 60 fps so same assets/game, just from 1080p30 to 1440p60 requires over 350% gpu power(so 3,5x stronger gpu).
Again- ps5pr0 to the resque.

 

[hlm666]

Plus they’re more destructible in many ways…

The benefit of moving the fark on from baked lighting.

Nobody expect good mission design from rockstar, we just want their trademark believable world full of details everywhere.

I'm expecting no single player campaign, it will happen in the online shared world to try get some of the singleplayer diehards to buy some shark cards baby. Similar to heists you will be in your own world during campaign missions then dropped back in the multiplayer once done.

 

[ChiefDada]

W

Well, I don't know. Games nowadays can't even maintain decent resolution without using this shitty fsr2 and can barely do ray tracing. Add 60fps in the mix and you have PS4+ visuals. I'd say their limits have already been reached actually.

Flawed logic - the utilization of new rendering paradigms does not neccesitate lower framerate target.

Perfect example - GTA 6 30fps mode will look significantly better than GTA 5 30fps mode on PS5/Series X console simply because of the 10+ years of advanced rendering leap between 2013 and 2024/2025.

 

[rofif]

Easily, i mean is there anyone that could actually argue that?

Apparently everyone hates that game now for some reason

 

[GymWolf]

The benefit of moving the fark on from baked lighting.


I'm expecting no single player campaign, it will happen in the online shared world to try get some of the singleplayer diehards to buy some shark cards baby. Similar to heists you will be in your own world during campaign missions then dropped back in the multiplayer once done.

Ok now that would be disastrous.

Don't jinx it dude

 

[Team Andromeda]

Well, I don't know. Games nowadays can't even maintain decent resolution without using this shitty fsr2 and can barely do ray tracing. Add 60fps in the mix and you have PS4+ visuals. I'd say their limits have already been reached actually.

I still have my XBox One PS4 and going back to play on them, is utterly painful on a modern TV
Really people need to play some of the games on the old base consoles to see how big of a jump we have had.

So many here loved the PS2 so many of its games couldn't even handle 480P (which the DC could) and people talk of a lack of jumps, it makes me laugh

 

[Fbh]

You are delusional. Part1 looks way better than aw2 on ps5. Aw2 got shit iq, mid animations, terrible grain, 0 reflections and 1200p fsr break up. They didn’t put any effort in aw2 on ps5

That's what I've been saying for a while.
On console I'd rather have slightly worse "graphics" but with a nice sharp IQ and solid performance vs better "graphics" with a soft grainy image, shimmering, notorious FSR artifacting, frame rate drops and 60fps modes struggling to hit their target even running at sub 1080p resolutions, etc.
I really think visuals on console games are only going to go downhill for here as devs push better tech at the cost of image quality, resolution and performance (maybe the rumored Ps5 pro will help with this)

On PC if you've got a high end rig that can run the nicer graphics without sacrificing image quality and performance it's another story.

 

[analog_future]

We've all talked about how impressive Alan Wake 2 is on a technical level, but god damn, the art direction is incredible:

 

[SlimySnake]

So with the GTA 6 announcement coming this week, its time to really discuss what we expect from the upcoming behemoth.

I expect this level of fidelity in cutscenes along with:

- The best physics in gaming.
- The most realized and lively open world ever.
- The best explosions in gaming.
- Excellent animations, only matched by ND.

Ps4.5 visual fidelity.
Next Gen animations
Some kind of physics simulation. Destruction , water, weather or traffic
Unparalled level of detail in the city and NPCs.

 

[mrMUR_96]

Ps4.5 visual fidelity.
Next Gen animations
Some kind of physics simulation. Destruction , water, weather or traffic
Unparalled level of detail in the city and NPCs.

Why PS4.5 visuals? RDR2 was easily one of the best of last gen, why wouldn't they push visuals the same way for this gen?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

A little off topic but who else thinks that this cross-shaped menu for quick select sucks? I much prefer a wheel design because:

1) It only takes 1 button to switch it on and off, leaving 3 other buttons for other interactions
2) You can access things quicker: press and hold to get the wheel, select with a stick, let off and boom
3) You can add more items to the wheel vs. a cross. Starfield is also using a cross and it's ridiculous how many clicks you need to perform to access stuff