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[semiconscious]

these folks just seem to me to be wonderful, kind, loving people who were somehow born just magically knowing what's best for all of us...

 

[diffusionx]

What purpose does this serve? C'mon man. So I've never seen the show...actually just started up Netflix after who knows how long over the weekend to watch Black Mirror. So the character is fictional but based on an actual Viking ruler? Is she supposed to be Mongolian?

Speaking of which, I like Black Mirror. It's actually a good example of diversity done right. Easier I guess cuz it's original storytelling, but they don't beat you over the head with LGBTQ stuff, though it's definitely in there. They don't exaggerate minorities. There's plenty for everybody in that show.

With black mirror you can see the Netflix commissars assume control of the series and its themes in practically real time. It’s a mess.

 

[Musashipan]

Yeah
Keep buying and supporting those companies...

 

[GymWolf]

To people clamoring that ND/tlou2 is woke. It's not that. These are the staples I would consider for woke game:
-Characters exist JUST TO BE lgbtq+. No other traits are more important
-Old characters are replaced by those characters
-No traditional male/female roles allowed. At least not purely or if anything straight Man = bad
-Forced diversity
-usually game/character is woke where it absolutely doesn't matter and we don't need to know sexuality or political stances.
-Sweet baby inc - leading in woke writing. Slowly but surely manipulating the population to the point crap like Angrboda or playable atreus is acceptable. Nobody want to spend 2 hours with angrboda or play as atreus.... in gow game.

Some examples
-Saga is mild woke character. She would exist in the story no matter if she is white or black. Although we al know why she is black
-Female Ratchet only exists to have female in there. She has no purpose.
-Pregnant woman on battlefield in TLOU2? not woke. It's an apocalypse and their leader is an idiot. Could be bad writing
-Abby with huge gains in tlou2? not woke. there is a whole reason behind it. There are normal women too
-Trans kid in tlou2? Sure maybe but he serves purpose to show how religious that gang is which cast him away. Could be in any story. Seems believable.

Lev only reason to exist is to be a trans character that is dead-named and hunted for his diversity by bigot religious people.
And before you say that he\she act as a conscience for abby to not make her kill ellie, that scene was super fucking stupid to begin with, the chick got buffed and dreamed revenge for years because someone killed her father, but she forgive ellie that killed the love of her life and all of his close friends that she grew up with because a child that she meet 2 days before say so, dogshit writing from ND in that scene.

It doesn't get more in your face than that.

Even considering that, all the characters in tlou2 were so shit and unlikeable that he still was one of the more likeable characters just for not being directly annoying or a piece of shit.

But yeah, sp2 is much worse than tlou2 and insomniac definitely surpassed ND in the woke scale of sony devs.

For now i see something like this:


Insomniac
ND
Guerrilla\SM
bend\sucker punch based on their last games.

 

[Jigsaah]

With black mirror you can see the Netflix commissars assume control of the series and its themes in practically real time. It’s a mess.

Really? Maybe because I'm just now getting into it I'm not noticing this. So you think they are not doing diversity right? I mean it's a collection of short stories and individual episodes. I will say there was a stint where a lot of the episodes were British in nature, but even then...there were white good guys and bad guys. Black good guys and bad guys. Women protagonists turned antagonist. There was even a VR episode where seemingly straight guys may have been gay but then ended up not being gay...it was just the way the game affected them. There was an Indian lady who was "corruptible" and a demon who swayed her who was black.

Why do you say it was a mess? Can you be more specific?

 

[Jayjayhd34]

when you are forcing me to play a shitty boss fight while listening how being a man has gotten in the way of my girlfriend's dreams it affects the gameplay , this is a story driven game so story is important

its not like im playing doom and i can just skip all the dialog

Yeah but why does there imagination of how the world should be effect you. You got think deeper and ask yourself why millions can play these gamea without even thinking there's any problem. I've never ever heard single person complain about things like this other than few forums

Things like proof without a doubt this is the future for,tvs games films. All these mediums are how the creatora envisions society etc. My point here is either accept this way it is or don't buy games however can't see anything changing. Now don't think i actually agree with this I suppose im just nutral for some reason doesn't effect me at most I'll just have good giggle and move on.

 

[diffusionx]

Really? Maybe because I'm just now getting into it I'm not noticing this. So you think they are not doing diversity right? I mean it's a collection of short stories and individual episodes. I will say there was a stint where a lot of the episodes were British in nature, but even then...there were white good guys and bad guys. Black good guys and bad guys. Women protagonists turned antagonist. There was even a VR episode where seemingly straight guys may have been gay but then ended up not being gay...it was just the way the game affected them. There was an Indian lady who was "corruptible" and a demon who swayed her who was black.

Why do you say it was a mess? Can you be more specific?

The show started on BBC then Netflix took over. I don’t want to get into specifics but it becomes pretty obvious that they use it as yet another cultural engineering project after a while.

 

[Chuck Berry]

I guess hiring a "white expert" would basically be the equivalent of allowing the local Grand Dragon into the building.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Well you still got to feel for this company because things like that are supposed to be internal. It really isn't any of yours or my business on how they should run their company and how they want to shoot for things. At the end of the day I , we see the end result of their work. Granted they've made some pretty solid high profile games. Not all alone have been for me but some have. And it really has nothing to do with inclusion. If a company wants to try to run their business a certain way, none of us run that company and have really no right to criticize that. At the end of the day if this was just another rundown developer, no one would really be paying attention but we all know why some people are just posting about it. I'm not even the biggest fan of the company and still respect them as a work environment. So none of this is really fair on them so I hope that they stay strong. And for the record, I'm not a big fan of pushing inclusion and all that other stuff but I am a fan of not getting hacked and leaking a bunch of stuff like that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The show started on BBC then Netflix took over. I don’t want to get into specifics but it becomes pretty obvious that they use it as yet another cultural engineering project after a while.

I noticed the first two seasons (orginal) were fantastic.

Then I saw Netflix's attempt with season 3 and it just didn't land like the the first two, lacked a lot of that soul and ambience. Have not seen it since cancelling over the Cuties shit years ago.

 

[shamoomoo]

Forced inclusivity is usually racist and/or discriminatory as fuck

What does that really mean? You do realize the discrimination that marginalized groups face is why we get these weird forms of social justice.

 

[Ristifer]

Honestly, Insomniac already shit the bed when they changed Parker’s face.

 

[SolarFry]

Are they forced to hire these companies? Why can't they do this by themselves, it doesn't sound hard or thought out? Just add minorities and stereotypes. That's all this "inclusivity" companies are doing anyway.

I'd do it for the fraction of the price, Insomniac!

 

[DeepEnigma]

What does that really mean? You do realize the discrimination that marginalized groups face is why we get these weird forms of social justice.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I guess hiring a "white expert" would basically be the equivalent of allowing the local Grand Dragon into the building.

I bet just reading “white expert” triggers the woke.

 

[Putonahappyface]

My gaming future is looking incredibly bleak.

 

[rofif]

Lev only reason to exist is to be a trans character that is dead-named and hunted for his diversity by bigot religious people.
And before you say that he\she act as a conscience for abby to not make her kill ellie, that scene was super fucking stupid to begin with, the chick got buffed and dreamed revenge for years because someone killed her father, but she forgive ellie that killed the love of his life and all of his close friends that she grew up with because a child that she meet 2 days before say so, dogshit writing from ND in that scene.

It doesn't get more in your face than that.

Even considering that, all the characters in tlou2 were so shit and unlikeable that he still was one of the more likeable characters just for not being directly annoying or a piece of shit.

But yeah, sp2 is much worse than tlou2 and insomniac definitely surpassed ND in the woke scale of sony devs.

For now i see something like this:


Insomniac
ND
Guerrilla\SM
bend\sucker punch based on their last games.

No. Lev exists to give Abby character development.
Although he does not have any other traits than being trans...

 

[Putonahappyface]

Nothing to see here, just woke American imperialism at work infesting the arts.



Insomniac if you're so principled then why did you remove all the pride flags and more from the Middle Eastern version of the game, rather than just not release the game in those territories like Square did with Final Fantasy 16?

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

That's why the enemies in Spiderman are only Magic Mikes.

 

[Faust]

Yoshi P and Co refused to sell FFXVI in the Middle East because they didn't want to change their vision and remove an important character in the story.

Insomniac and Sony, who claim they care about LGBTQIA+ issues was readily A-OK to remove all mention of those characters and anything associated with them.

Square Enix has more of a back bone than Sony/Insomniac.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Are they forced to hire these companies? Why can't they do this by themselves, it doesn't sound hard or thought out? Just add minorities and stereotypes. That's all this "inclusivity" companies are doing anyway.

I'd do it for the fraction of the price, Insomniac!

That works for games like Ghost of Tsuhima. Not when you want to pack as much DEI as possible without pissing those groups off

 

[thismeinteil]

MSJP. Make Sony Japanese Again.

This is really just a hive mind. And if you disagree, even just a little, you are shouted down and/or kicked out of the group. We've had several stories where colleges and companies have hired black DEI directors, but because they don't spout leftist nonsense and don't hate white people, they are fired. Often replaced by a leftie white woman. How diverse.

 

[Topher]

Nothing to see here, just woke American imperialism at work infesting the arts.

Nah......woke idiocy is infesting America. Plenty of us here are ready for a purge.

 

[semiconscious]

Yeah but why does there imagination of how the world should be effect you. You got think deeper and ask yourself why millions can play these gamea without even thinking there's any problem. I've never ever heard single person complain about things like this other than few forums

Things like proof without a doubt this is the future for,tvs games films. All these mediums are how the creatora envisions society etc. My point here is either accept this way it is or don't buy games however can't see anything changing. Now don't think i actually agree with this I suppose im just nutral for some reason doesn't effect me at most I'll just have good giggle and move on.

the thing with ideological manipulation is, once you've seen it, you can't unsee it. i mean, yeah, you can just sorta accept it, or laugh it off, but you're still fundamentally stuck being conscious of what's really going on, no matter how many other people haven't seemed to notice...

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yoshi P and Co refused to sell FFXVI in the Middle East because they didn't want to change their vision and remove an important character in the story.

Insomniac and Sony, who claim they care about LGBTQIA+ issues was readily A-OK to remove all mention of those characters and anything associated with them.

Square Enix has more of a back bone than Sony/Insomniac.

This is the bubble these emotionally stunted useful idiots live in.

Meanwhile, queers are erased from their games they make in said areas.

 

[GymWolf]

No. Lev exists to give Abby character development.
Although he does not have any other traits than being trans...

And like i said, that character development of her renouncing to the vengeance cycle after what ellie does just because lev is there is dogshit writing and super weak.

Bitch killed the love of his life and all of his close friends (includeda pregnant woman), there is no forgiveness after that and especially not from a hot headed chick like abby.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And like i said, that character development of her renouncing to the vengeance cycle after what ellie does just because lev is there is dogshit writing and super weak.

Bitch killed the love of his life and all of his close friends (includeda pregnant woman), there is no forgiveness after that and especially not from a hot headed chick like abby.

And Alice, don't forget Alice.

I loathed that forced scene. Which is what they were trying to invoke.

 

[GymWolf]

And Alice, don't forget Alice.

After they let you play fetch the ball with her...

 

[nbkicker]

Maybe if insomniac had hired the best talent available instead of hiring just to please the heads with its multi diverse staff they might not have had someone crack there systems

 

[DeepEnigma]

After they let you play fetch the ball with her...

They set out to invoke emotions, and it worked. Only I'm more mad at them because of it.

 

[GymWolf]

They set out to invoke emotions, and it worked. Only I'm more mad at them because of it.

Waiting the remaster upgrade for a third run, i'm so in the mood for a realistic, slow, heavy third person shooters these days, i just finished a second run with rdr2 and a third one on pc with days gone.

I accept any advice for other games.

I blew my knee 3 weeks ago so i'm at home and i don't have much to do other than playing, what a great end of the year

I kinda wanna buy a quest 3

 

[TransTrender]

Imagine having any of these mental midgets ever telling you to do something at your job.

 

[Jigsaah]

The show started on BBC then Netflix took over. I don’t want to get into specifics but it becomes pretty obvious that they use it as yet another cultural engineering project after a while.

Ahhhhh I see, yea I didn't know that. It's still a fantastic show though. It's kinda confusing as well because it feel like the episodes are listed in reverse? Like Season 6 is first? Maybe I'm just Netflix illiterate.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Waiting the remaster upgrade for a third run, i'm so in the mood for a realistic, slow, heavy third person shooters these days, i just finished a second run with rdr2 and a third one on pc with days gone.

I accept any advice for other games.

I blew my knee 3 weeks ago so i'm at home and i don't have much to do other than playing, what a great end of the year

I kinda wanna buy a quest 3

I have not mustered up the desire for another TLoU2 playthrough due to how oppressive/depressing the story felt, but I am getting the itch for those heavy 3rd person games as you put it. The gameplay was fantastic. It should hit differently now that I know the outcome as well.

Hope your recovery is a speedy one!

 

[Senua]

Waiting the remaster upgrade for a third run, i'm so in the mood for a realistic, slow, heavy third person shooters these days, i just finished a second run with rdr2 and a third one on pc with days gone.

I accept any advice for other games.

I blew my knee 3 weeks ago so i'm at home and i don't have much to do other than playing, what a great end of the year

I kinda wanna buy a quest 3

Alan Wake 2?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Go to Sweeden

That's not a McDonald's. It's secretly a harem. Gauhddam.

 

[Fredrik]

I know I’m a dinosaur but I feel like I’m already extinct when looking at something like this.

 

[RoboFu]

This is the bubble these emotionally stunted useful idiots live in.

Meanwhile, queers are erased from their games they make in said areas.

That has got to be the most ignorant people in a photo I think i have ever seen. lol


For reference:

 

[GnomeChimpsky]

Lol I'm sure Disney is thrilled you threw them under the bus not once but twice in your little internal presentation.

 

[rofif]

And like i said, that character development of her renouncing to the vengeance cycle after what ellie does just because lev is there is dogshit writing and super weak.

Bitch killed the love of his life and all of his close friends (includeda pregnant woman), there is no forgiveness after that and especially not from a hot headed chick like abby.

There is nothing "dogshit" writing about that game.
Even the worst parts are not dogshit man

 

[DeepEnigma]

That has got to be the most ignorant people in a photo I think i have ever seen. lol


For reference:

And Israel is as progressive as anywhere in the West. This is how brainwashed and easily malleable based on false virtue and feelings they are. Cause, "brown people" and they see Israel as "white people" even though most in that region are interchangeable and you would not know unless they told you.

Pure ignorant bigotry and self own.

 

[Last Hearth]

Yoshi P and Co refused to sell FFXVI in the Middle East because they didn't want to change their vision and remove an important character in the story.

Insomniac and Sony, who claim they care about LGBTQIA+ issues was readily A-OK to remove all mention of those characters and anything associated with them.

Square Enix has more of a back bone than Sony/Insomniac.

The funny is that FFXVI was accused of being "too white". Yet they were the ones with actual integrity and stood their ground on not compromising their creative vision, while the diversity virtual signalers couldn't sell themselves fast enought.

 

[Hudo]

What does that really mean? You do realize the discrimination that marginalized groups face is why we get these weird forms of social justice.

That means shit like Insomniac are doing, to actively go out of their way to include LGBTQ characters or other supposedly marginalized groups just to have them, and to make the story/characters bend over backwards for these inclusions, often results in a depiction that focuses on their LGBTQ-ness, their "black-ness", their "asian-ness" or whatever in a way that you don't see in real-life among normal, intelligent people. Most of the LGBTQ people don't make this their sole identity trait. The people who do make this their sole identity trait are mentally ill and have deeper issues.

 

[FunkMiller]

There's one hilarious part where they very bluntly and proudly state they arent making this for white people.

This white person put that shit on eBay after ten hours of boredom.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

And Israel is as progressive as anywhere in the West. This is how brainwashed and easily malleable based on false virtue and feelings they are. Cause, "brown people" and they see Israel as "white people" even though most in that region are interchangeable and you would not know unless they told you.

Pure bigotry and sell own.

Wait until you tell them about the palsetinian jews and christians. Boggles their mind.

 

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Couldn't even get through 1 min of that video. DEI is one of the biggest scams/grifts I've seen in my life. It's all just one giant black hole of money, guilt, and shame.

 

[Jigsaah]

I'm all for inclusivity and diversity in games but not at the expense of shitting on other groups in the process. Even more hilarious are those who proudly think making a product for some groups without caring about others is the same exact problem you went in to fix. Hell sometimes I don't think many of these people even want diversity so much as they want "more of me, less of you" in media. It's a gross double standard of sharing cultures (cultural appropriation), casting (I can be you, but you can't be me), and representation as a whole.

Again - I can't stress enough that diversity and inclusiveness in all media IS a great thing. A necessary thing, even. So let's actually be diverse AND inclusive.

Ding ding ding!

 

[shamoomoo]

The ideology says "We've been underrepresented for too long, let's make a (enter medium here) that is inclusive by catering to X,Y,Z communities".

The problem with this, is that you literally are being hypocritical by excluding any one group while attempting to be inclusive.

I don't understand why this is so hard. Like it's in the very definition and the antonym.

Here's what I think. The people deciding to this in the first place are probably white for the most part. However, they have no clue how to do this authentically. So what do they do? Hire some folks to go out and talk to people from those other groups, casually ignoring the plights and opinions of white people. It's still media-based apartheid. White people get their media here...and we'll make this one over here for everybody else.

Misguided, hypocritical, disingenuous and not necessarily bringing society together either.

No, that's why things have to be put in an appropriate context. If an idea, group or whatever is being overrepresented,if those entities are then being excluded, hopefully the exclusion is not done out of negativity so other ideas, groups or whatever can get the appropriate amount of attention.


That sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[LiquidJensen]

 

[Jigsaah]

No, that's why things have to be put in an appropriate context. If an idea, group or whatever is being overrepresented,if those entities are then being excluded, hopefully the exclusion is not done out of negativity so other ideas, groups or whatever can get the appropriate amount of attention.


That sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining.

It sounds like you're saying exactly what I'm saying just in a different way. It's definitely on the same spectrum at least, no?