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[Sanepar]

If it is a marketing stunt, Xbox leadership is even dumber than I thought.

Do u have any doubts about that yet?

 

[GHG]

On a serious note, if only Xbox fans had listened to us when we kept warning them that this would happen.

I was an "Xbox fan" when I started to take issue with their shifts in focus and policies towards the end of the 360 era.

I've also always been completely against the idea of Phil being in charge because of witnessing the destruction he caused to their first party studios when he headed up that area, particularly with the way he dealt with Lionhead.

Bro, you have been literally waiting and hoping for Xbox to fail. Let's not pretend otherwise. Even now most of the discussions happening here are based on rumors that have been extrapolated to death.

I have no idea why you're lashing out when you've had discussions with people here surrounding xbox's strategy in general and most of what you've said has aged very poorly:

Try to think at all the sales MS would have lost if they had not make this model. It is smaller, simpler to manufacture, and more importantly : it is available. A ton of people have been buying this console, sometimes for the sole reason that it is the only one available, but overall, because it offers so much for the price.

Sony would have liked to be in this situation, you can be sure of it. MS were very smart to make such a model, it shows how they anticipated the market years in advance.

Discussions surrounding their 2 SKU's, in particular surrounding the impact of the Series S. Discussions about gamepass and it's long term viability. You've been there and people have been trying to tell you the reality of the situation but you never wanted to hear it.

Now you want to lash out and try and pretend you don't care about any of this? Makes no sense.

 

[jm89]

I use a UK deals website (HotUKDeals)

And who do I come across?

Our boy from lancaster. Fighting the good fight wherever possible.

 

[Mowcno]

A lot of people should feel silly right now, never mind next week. Jez had a complete meltdown. He went through the last 4 stages of grief in just 12 hours.

 

[GHG]

I use a UK deals website (HotUKDeals)

And who do I come across?

Our boy from lancaster. Fighting the good fight wherever possible.

Florian is moving like Tupac in his prime.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Nice half a tooth bro

Christ is it at all possible to get a “console spokesman” to not look like something that crawled out of the specimen box?

 

[TrippleA345]

I want a ticket as well!
Fuck I need to start thinking about which snacks to get… hmm doritos and mountain dew will do!

@TGO please create a hype train going full speed on a broken track with fire and explosions on the other side Get me a first-class ticket as well, please

Hypetrain, iam all in.

 

[SSfox]

Phil Spencer : "Jump in ... To playstation"

 

[spons]

Hypetrain, iam all in.

If someone makes a hype-trainwreck I'll put it in the opening post.

 

[TrippleA345]

This is how it started

With Sea of thieves/Hifi Rush Rumor coming to PS/Nintendo, on top the Dualsense Support Update/Textures:

Starfield comming to Ps5 Rumor:

(Almost) all other games coming out for PS and Nintendo, and the tweet from Phil Spincer with an upcoming business update:

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

He says we are listening and hear u on his tweet. All info came from xbox fanboys on X or sites linked to Xbox. And now they will have an event with Geoff next week? Yeah I still think this is a marketing trap.

That would be the dumbest marketing stunt ever in the history of dumb marketing stunt.

As it stands, the Xbox brand is irreparably damaged. Even if they come and say (as I expect they would say) only x,y, z games are coming to other platforms (and I expect them to not mention Playstation once too but we all know who other platforms are), and that they are looking into bringing some of their BC stuff to other platforms too, and that for their future games, they will all be exclusive to Xbox and dealt with on a case by case basis for other platforms....bla bla bla... that is still confirming what every one of us here that isnt a Phil fan has been saying for years now.

Gamepass is not sustainable, especially with the install and sub-base they have. And with the amount they have spent on acquiring publishers now, they are going to need the platform that most of those publishers they acquired made a LOT of their money from.

And I never thought that I would see the day that this would hve to be explained, but they second you start releasing your games on every other platform out there, including who was your primary rival, you have become a third party. Even more so... and thi spart is almost funny... when releasing on your rivals platform makes you more money than releasing on your own platform.

 

[Elios83]

Seems like the leaks have caught them a bit by surprise otherwise they would be ready to try to clear the message given all the damage this trainwreck is creating.

Looking forward to see their third party software strategy. I guess that eventually all their games will be multiplatform but they'll still try to keep a few as timed exclusives.
They won't drop the hardware obviously, it doesn't make any sense, it would ruin their relationships with other publishers and it would close their way to sell their software with the highest possible margin.
And obviously PR-wise they'll try to spin it as a necessary step for victory loool.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Seems like the leaks have caught them a bit by surprise otherwise they would be ready to try to clear the message given all the damage this trainwreck is creating.

Looking forward to see their third party software strategy. I guess that eventually all their games will be multiplatform but they'll still try to keep a few as timed exclusives.
They won't drop the hardware obviously, it doesn't make any sense, it would ruin their relationships with other publishers and it would close their way to sell their software with the highest possible margin.
And obviously PR-wise they'll try to spin it as a necessary step for victory loool.

They will not drop hardware. There will be fake promises how much the console means to them and how it will remain the centerpiece and the best place to play Xbox games.

But the reality is that they will be squeezed out of the console market in a heartbeat. As I have been saying for months and months now, Xbox Series X|S are the last traditional, under-the-TV, high-end Microsoft consoles ever. There won't be another.

 

[Hugare]

Threads will be made next week about it, but going multiplat is an obvious and winning sollution for MS that honestly should have came sooner

They probably wasted so much cash in hardware. Game development costs are huge nowadays, so going multiplat is almost a necessity for most devs/publishers

Nintendo has insane popularity backing them up. They are the face of the industry. Three failures like the Wii U in a row wouldnt be enough to make them close doors. And their games dont need huge budgets, so they really dont need to go multiplat.

Sony now has no competitors. They are in the best position they've ever been. They only have to take care of themselves and make the right choices (now with Jim Ryan gone, thankfuly they will)

Everyone will win if MS goes multiplat. But I'm worried that "arrogant Sony" will be back. They would be stupid to be arrogant tho.

 

[Elios83]

They will not drop hardware. There will be fake promises how much the console means to them and how it will remain the centerpiece and the best place to play Xbox games.

But the reality is that they will be squeezed out of the console market in a heartbeat. As I have been saying for months and months now, Xbox Series X|S are the last traditional, under-the-TV, high-end Microsoft consoles ever. There won't be another.

Of course with hardware as *the* platform they're done, it's over.
Their future hardware is to be intended as a Microsoft branded gaming line. Like the companies making all the Steamdeck clones to play PC games.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Man gives the best dome world wide.

Well adamsapple was his master instructor

 

[DryvBy]

This is out of control and shouldn’t wait for next week

It's wait on purpose.

 

[GHG]

They will not drop hardware. There will be fake promises how much the console means to them and how it will remain the centerpiece and the best place to play Xbox games.

But the reality is that they will be squeezed out of the console market in a heartbeat. As I have been saying for months and months now, Xbox Series X|S are the last traditional, under-the-TV, high-end Microsoft consoles ever. There won't be another.

I think they will announce "plans" for new hardware next week in order to keep people invested while they remain in a transitional state.

Think similar to the project scorpio/scarlett reveals, nothing concrete or set in stone but just enough to keep people hanging on.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Of course with hardware as *the* platform they're done, it's over.
Their future hardware is to be intended as a Microsoft branded gaming line. Like the companies making all the Steamdeck clones to play PC games.

So a MS branded mini-pc???

That's not a platform and they won't get money from their store anyway as PC users buy from Steam...

Absolutely pointless

 

[buenoblue]

Next year is Xbox year, Phil promises. He has been listening and heard us.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Incoming partnership with Aldi confirmed. God, the Xbox division are cutting edge..

don't you mean bleeding edge

 

[Heisenberg007]

By the way, this tweet has the same vibes as this:



Sega announces the future of Dreamcast.
Xbox announces the future of Xbox event.

 

[Dr. Suchong]

Nice half a tooth bro

Christ is it at all possible to get a “console spokesman” to not look like something that crawled out of the specimen box?

Probably cracked it from "Chomping at the bit" to play all those Exclusives..

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Seems like the leaks have caught them a bit by surprise otherwise they would be ready to try to clear the message given all the damage this trainwreck is creating.

Looking forward to see their third party software strategy. I guess that eventually all their games will be multiplatform but they'll still try to keep a few as timed exclusives.
They won't drop the hardware obviously, it doesn't make any sense, it would ruin their relationships with other publishers and it would close their way to sell their software with the highest possible margin.
And obviously PR-wise they'll try to spin it as a necessary step for victory loool.

This is one of those things that if it was not real... could be easily dismissed. You know, with a single tweet post. All it would have taken was Phil to pick up his phone and...... oh... sorry. My bad. He already did that. Said he hears us. Whatever the fuck that means.

 

[cireza]

Discussions surrounding their 2 SKU's, in particular surrounding the impact of the Series S. Discussions about gamepass and it's long term viability. You've been there and people have been trying to tell you the reality of the situation but you never wanted to hear it.

Now you want to lash out and try and pretend you don't care about any of this? Makes no sense.

Oh look, the usual "search for history, pick a post and make it out of context". What point are you even trying to make to begin with ? Admitting that Series S was a good choice and that Game Pass makes money is possible without being a fan of either. This is simply called being unbiased. Sorry but I don't care much about the future of Xbox. This is only a video-game console you know... They have been providing decent gaming boxes for third party games and this is all I ever was interested in.

What really cracks me up is when you guys say things like "We told you bros, you should have listened to us.". WTF are you smoking guys ? Can you be even more pretentious ? Why should we even care about things changing and hoping that they won't ? You guys pretend waaay too much to be concerned about the well-being of a company and consumers you are constantly criticizing here. Sounds like an unhealthy obsession.

As far as I am concerned, Xbox can disappear or whatever... I will simply look at the story unfold, because this is what is really interesting in all of this. How the market evolves. And don't worry, I won't be the guy telling "You should have listened to us lol !" when Sony will raise game prices to 100$.

 

[Del_X]

Phil, next week: "I'm proud to announce #MyTruth, and it's that Diablo IV is my GOTY"

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Everyone will win if MS goes multiplat. But I'm worried that "arrogant Sony" will be back. They would be stupid to be arrogant tho.

Which is why they won't be back and people need to stop psyching themselves out about it.

cireza

You aren't disproving what's been said as you continue to lash out at people.

 

[Audiophile]

Xbox have spent 7yrs backing themselves into a corner, not only have they lacked distinguishing exclusive software relative to the competition but they're devalued what little they do have by conditioning their audience to pay very little for it.

In turn, they've devalued their hardware and minimised the reasons for anyone to have it. Every road going forward including hardware is ruinous (for Xbox, not MS as a whole) with the best option being increasing revenue drastically by releasing games on more platforms. The side-effect of this is to further compound the lack of reason to own Xbox hardware. Local hardware will no longer make sense for them (unless there is a miraculous and rapid shift).

From a pure financial perspective the ideal solution would be to rip the band aid off and go full third-party. In reality they'll likely save face, steadily going from exclusive to timed exclusive to full day and date third party in the coming years, while releasing a cost-reduced hardware revision for the XSS/XSX to see them out of this; their final gen of traditional, local console hardware.

After which they'll just be a third party, eventually they'll offer a much improved cloud service of their own, getting it on as man screens as possible and with their existing cloud partnership with Sony they could provide future PlayStations with improved cloud functionality in addition to local games.

 

[Sybrix]

Since Xbox One the Xbox brand has been in decline.

Going 3rd party was inevitable.

 

[Sorcerer]

If Phil would have come out on stage doing David Lee Roth style jump kicks, Xbox would be dominating now, Playstation and Nintendo would be in the gutter.

 

[Elios83]

This is one of those things that if it was not real... could be easily dismissed. You know, with a single tweet post. All it would have taken was Phil to pick up his phone and...... oh... sorry. My bad. He already did that. Said he hears us. Whatever the fuck that means.

Of course it's real, the leaks come from them.
Otherwise it would have already been denied, on the contrary it's confirmed they will announce a change in strategy.

Now it's about the details...how many games are going full multiplatform, if there will be a timed exclusive period on Xbox/Pc in case everything is going multiplatform.
And an other elephant in the room is if they'll backtrack on all their games hitting gamepass day one, especially COD.
As mentioned earlier they will never say they're going third party, they won't drop hardware although the practical consequence of their decisions will be pretty much the same.
They will try to frame it as necessary to become the biggest publisher in the world hence a victory

 

[Chronicle]

The only thing left to do is fuck up the 'We Surrender' speech.

Stay tuned. It's next week.

 

[azertydu91]

Since Xbox One the Xbox brand has been in decline.

Going 3rd party was inevitable.

From 3rd place to 3rd party
And have you noticed this, Phil Spencer twitter username is xboxp3, read the end backward and it become 3p like in 3rd party and another troubling fact xbox has 3 different letters in its name 3 just like 3rd party and the weirdest one Phil Spencer is the perfect anagram for "becoming 3rd party"

just incase someone thinks I am actually serious /s

 

[DJ12]

New business plan outed....

 

[GHG]

Oh look, the usual "search for history, pick a post and make it out of context". What point are you even trying to make to begin with ? Admitting that Series S was a good choice and that Game Pass makes money is possible without being a fan of either. This is simply called being unbiased. Sorry but I don't care much about the future of Xbox. This is only a video-game console you know... They have been providing decent gaming boxes for third party games and this is all I ever was interested in.

What really cracks me up is when you guys say things like "We told you bros, you should have listened to us.". WTF are you smoking guys ? Can you be even more pretentious ? Why should we even care about things changing and hoping that they won't ? You guys pretend waaay too much to be concerned about the well-being of a company and consumers you are constantly criticizing here. Sounds like an unhealthy obsession.

As far as I am concerned, Xbox can disappear or whatever... I will simply look at the story unfold, because this is what is really interesting in all of this. How the market evolves. And don't worry, I won't be the guy telling "You should have listened to us lol !" when Sony will raise game prices to 100$.

It's not out of context, that's a discussion you were having with me, the post I quoted of yours links right back to the thread. It's there for everyone to see.

After spending years defending shit decision/product after shit decision/product from them you suddenly don't care if they "disappear or whatever"? Why not just be honest and say you got it wrong and that in doing so you, as one of their customers, failed to give them relevant and necessary feedback at times when they needed it? Now you just want to pretend you don't care much:

What matters to me is that they still make consoles and allow for physical games. Never had much interest for Game Pass and first party games.

Which is even more pretence:

Series S and Game Pass

Wow... How can someone find Game Pass uninteresting is beyond me.

Game Pass is very good. A lot of great games to discover.

Stop the bullshit and just take it on the chin.

And, good luck hoping and dreaming for $100 games, any day now. But if it happens please, do prompt me to talk about it. I'll gladly admit I've got something wrong rather than lie to myself, dig my head in the sand and lash out at other people.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I think this actually be boring.
He will just say that it's part of their growth plan to bring games to more players, everywhere (without ever explaining why he took games from those players in the 1st place), how digital surpassed all expectations and because of that they are killing physical games.
Xbox will be greater than ever and 2025 will be the year of the Xbox, the usual.
The forum comments will be a lot more entertaining than the announcement.

 

[Loope]

Oh look, the usual "search for history, pick a post and make it out of context". What point are you even trying to make to begin with ? Admitting that Series S was a good choice and that Game Pass makes money is possible without being a fan of either. This is simply called being unbiased. Sorry but I don't care much about the future of Xbox. This is only a video-game console you know... They have been providing decent gaming boxes for third party games and this is all I ever was interested in.

What really cracks me up is when you guys say things like "We told you bros, you should have listened to us.". WTF are you smoking guys ? Can you be even more pretentious ? Why should we even care about things changing and hoping that they won't ? You guys pretend waaay too much to be concerned about the well-being of a company and consumers you are constantly criticizing here. Sounds like an unhealthy obsession.

As far as I am concerned, Xbox can disappear or whatever... I will simply look at the story unfold, because this is what is really interesting in all of this. How the market evolves. And don't worry, I won't be the guy telling "You should have listened to us lol !" when Sony will raise game prices to 100$.

Not talking about GHG here, because he usually is very balanced with his posts. But the rest? Oooff. Celebrating like their team won the "game" and calling people sheep etc. etc.

MS bit more that they could chew, not they're going to have to lay down and play with what they have which implies going 3rd party, that's all that is to it. No reason to gloat and act like children as they contributed something for it....

 

[cireza]

It's not out of context, that's a discussion you were having with me, the post I quoted of yours links right back to the thread. It's there for everyone to see.

After spending years defending shit decision/product after shit decision/product from them you suddenly don't care if they "disappear or whatever"? Why not just be honest and say you got it wrong and that in doing so you, as one of their customers, failed to give them relevant and necessary feedback at times when they needed it? Now you want to pretend you don't care much:



Which is even more pretence:







Stop the bullshit and just take it on the chin.

And, good luck hoping and dreaming for $100 games, any day now. But if it happens please, do prompt me to talk about it. I'll gladly admit I've got something wrong rather than lie to myself, dig my head in the sand and lash out at other people.

More cherry picking. I picked Game Pass because it was cheap for 3 years, and I have never liked subscriptions overall. All of which can be found in my post history as well. Strangely enough you didn't find these !

And again Series S and Game Pass are perfectly fine, doesn't mean I have a passion for them.

 

[Dr_Ifto]

Since Xbox One the Xbox brand has been in decline.

Going 3rd party was inevitable.

Nah, it started around 2009

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

New business plan outed....

70% of an extra several million copies they would have never sold to begin with seems like a pretty good deal to me

 

[GHG]

More cherry picking. I picked Game Pass because it was cheap for 3 years, and I have never liked subscriptions overall. All of which can be found in my post history as well. Strangely enough you didn't find these !

And again Series S and Game Pass are perfectly fine, doesn't mean I have a passion for them.

If you keep on saying "cherry picked", maybe you'll manage to will it into existence and all of your previous activity here will suddenly vanish from existence, but alas.

You don't have a passion for them but yet here you are on an enthusiast gaming forum? A forum where you've discussed those products, spent time defending them and in some cases (as seen above) have recommended them to other people or acted as a pseudo marketer?

Do excuse me if none of this is making sense and the only conclusion I can draw at this stage is that you're now withdrawing and distancing yourself from those products (and the Xbox brand in general) as a coping mechanism.

 

[Negotiator101]

It has to be Phil to deliver the news, Bond simply ain't gonna cut it. We need that square jaw, chiselled body and those pearly whites to soften the blow. Only he can win back the hearts and minds and once again we'll see him break bread with poor Timdog.

 

[DJ12]

70% of an extra several million copies they would have never sold to begin with seems like a pretty good deal to me

Yeah 70% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

Kinda the reason I don't understand the hate this generated. Do they want xbox to live on or not. The apron strings have been cut and they need to live by their own means now.

 

[Punished Miku]

Deleted my credit card from the MS store. Guess I'll probably not be buying any games for the next several months or rest of the year. Have a large backlog. Plan is to set aside $200 a month and get a gaming PC before the end of the year. I've got GP until 2026 so I guess I'll have whatever comes on that coming in new. The real downside is going to be rebuilding my library after that, but I expect that will take a decade. Xbox will stay hooked up for that reason. If I get too bored I might try Gamefly for my PS5 for Dragon's Dogma / Stella Blade, but I'm not buying any more console games that aren't Nintendo 1st party.

 

[Astray]

Lol the guy who had an interview with Spencer riiiiight before all hell broke loose and didn't manage to do anything beyond soft-ball questions.

He could have been the guy who uncovers the greatest gaming exclusive news of all time, but he decided to opt for cuckholdery.

 

[GHG]

Deleted my credit card from the MS store. Guess I'll probably not be buying any games for the next several months or rest of the year. Have a large backlog. Plan is to set aside $200 a month and get a gaming PC before the end of the year. I've got GP until 2026 so I guess I'll have whatever comes on that coming in new. The real downside is going to be rebuilding my library after that, but I expect that will take a decade. Xbox will stay hooked up for that reason. If I get too bored I might try Gamefly for my PS5 for Dragon's Dogma / Stella Blade, but I'm not buying any more console games that aren't Nintendo 1st party.

You can get most older games for next to nothing on PC via 3rd party stores:

Game deals - Find video games on sale - GG.deals

Compare prices of video games from almost 60 stores, find the best game deals online. CD keys for all PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo Switch and PC games on the market at the best price!

gg.deals

For you to get the games that you want it likely won't cost you as much or take you as long as you think.

But if you care about preservation in general then PC is the platform to invest in moving forwards.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Not a coincidence either here btw

 

[Pancakes and Sausage]

I spent time googling Xbox style controllers for PS5 yesterday and I’m ecstatic that they exist

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

We gotta start rounding up all these stray rats and send them to the wall

 

[Punished Miku]

You can get most older games for next to nothing on PC via 3rd party stores:

Game deals - Find video games on sale - GG.deals

Compare prices of video games from almost 60 stores, find the best game deals online. CD keys for all PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo Switch and PC games on the market at the best price!

gg.deals

For you to get the games that you want it likely won't cost you as much or take you as long as you think.

But if you care about preservation in general then PC is the platform to invest in moving forwards.

I have 672 Xbox games. Even if every game is $5 that's over $3000. Tons of those were not $5, they were $70. But yes, I'm counting on cheap games and preservation making it worth the stiff upfront hardware cost.