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[Heisenberg007]

how the fuck has this 53 pages?

It's the Event of the Generation!

 

[HeWhoWalks]

It's the Event of the Generation!

 

[devilNprada]

However, the current competition hasn't been competing since 2012. For some strange reason, we've designated competition to one specific conglomerate. Apple, Amazon, and even Google (RIP stadia) etc etc would do a better job by having better management and a ceo not focused on pushing meaningless PR sound bites that keep a very specific segment of his instal happy.

Couldn't competition simply be other ways to spend your time and money?
I.E. golf is expensive, so I don't golf.

 

[Topher]

On top of letting us run rampant with speculation for a week lmaoooo

Shit like this is why video game forums exist!

PS3 was designed as if the cost to manufacture the thing didn't matter - this followed the "normal" console mode where players buying games would overcome the initial hit taken on the hw. That hit for PS3 was huge and it took a while for them to rejig things to cut costs (hw ps2 emulation was stripped out for EU version etc)

lol....to put an exclamation point behind PS3 was designed as if cost "didn't matter", some folks may not realize that the launch PS3 was actually scaled down from its initial prototype. That damn thing had two hdmi, six USB and gotdang THREE ethernet ports. People joke about the PS5 looking like a router when the prototype PS3 actually was one!

 

[Pelta88]

Couldn't competition simply be other ways to spend your time and money?
I.E. golf is expensive, so I don't golf.

Respectfully, I'm, trying to make sense of your response but I can't?

 

[Astray]

It's the Event of the Generation!

No kidding.

Anyone who thinks that whatever they'll say will leave Xbox owners happy should think again. They could (and previously) have made them happy with interview statements or tweets.

The fact we're even waiting on things suggests it's either still in flux (which is a bad omen that it will at least be partially bad news, or it's decided and they want fans to keep thinking up worst case scenarios because maybe they reach something worse and it softens the blow of what it actually is.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Pretty much. Sony was trying to make the PS3 the centerpiece of the home living room. They threw everything they could into the initial model which jacked the price up ridiculously and still put Sony in the hole for each unit sold by a few hundred dollars. Thus, their advertising pitch "It only does everything". It was very much Sony's "TV TV TV" moment which led to Kutargi's departure and Kaz had to come in and scale back the thing to make it financially feasible.

Blu-ray killed HD-DVD (of course backed up by Microsoft LOL). So in a way they got the result they wanted

I used my PS3 for Blu-ray movies for a decade

 

[PatientGamer]

I feel sorry for any gamer who participated in the Xbox farce since 2009. They've given you scraps for 15 years and now rumour has it that they're going 3rd-party. Stopping production of their ~3 year old console. Things are rough at Xbox HQ. They had everything in 2005-2009... the moment they started with Kinect bullshit, the writing was on the wall.

It's not good for gaming if PlayStation has zero, meaningful competition. The Xbox demise will be a case study for decades to come.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I think this is highly likely what we see

They may mention their commitment to a future console as well with no timeline

They have to be totally clear on their wording

Yeah, and another hint (which we all missed) that they are going to devalue Game Pass is Satya Nadella removing Game Pass from his bonus KPIs a few months ago.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I feel sorry for any gamer who participated in the Xbox farce since 2009. They've given you scraps for 15 years and now rumour has it that they're going 3rd-party. Stopping production of their ~3 year old console. Things are rough at Xbox HQ. They had everything in 2005-2009... the moment they started with Kinect bullshit, the writing was on the wall.

It's not good for gaming if PlayStation has zero, meaningful competition. The Xbox demise will be a case study for decades to come.

Zero comp. means no Nintendo and no Steam. They will always have meaningful competitors.

 

[devilNprada]

Respectfully, I'm, trying to make sense of your response but I can't?

Sorry, I am just saying a console is not the only way to spend your time and money.
There is a cost benefit to everything and people don't necessarily have to get a console.

Couldn't all the other things you can do with your time and money be considered the competition?

 

[Topher]

Sorry, I am just saying a console is not the only way to spend your time and money.
There is a cost benefit to everything and people don't necessarily have to get a console.

Couldn't all the other things you can do with your time and money be considered the competition?

This is about competitive products in the video game space. Not what competes for people's free time.

 

[XXL]

how the fuck has this 53 pages?

 

[Pelta88]

This is about competitive products in the video game space. Not what competes for people's free time.

This.

devilNprada I think google or Netflix claimed recently that their only competition is time itself and since we're talking about specific devices in this specific hobby...

 

[spons]

how the fuck has this 53 pages?

Because it's the only lick of official information we got about what is going to happen. And even then we don't know shit except for some "business event" (?) next week, so speculate away.

 

[devilNprada]

This is about competitive products in the video game space. Not what competes for people's free time.

I understand that.. but when the argument is made that they will jack up the price to outrageous amounts, it is a logical reason as to why that won't necessarily happen.

If we limit it to just video games there are other platform alternatives like PC's and phones that many people are already content with.

 

[Hudo]

Because it's the only lick of official information we got about what is going to happen. And even then we don't know shit except for some "business event" (?) next week, so speculate away.

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

 

[Topher]

I understand that.. but when the argument is made that they will jack up the price to outrageous amounts, it is a logical reason as to why that won't necessarily happen.

If we limit it to just video games there are other platform alternatives like PC's and phones that many people are already content with.

Sure....if you are saying that if they jack up prices too high then people just won't buy video game consoles then yeah, I think that is a valid argument.

 

[GHG]

how the fuck has this 53 pages?

Xbox hype is massive and growing.

What's not to love?

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

This isn't resetera, sir.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Good, now that the confusion got cleared, it's time to get back to the topic at hand:

Nintendo fucking up with WiiU led to Switch and great games.

In a similar fashion, Sony fucked up with PS3, which led to PS4 and subsequently PS5 and great games.

MS, on the other hand, fucked up with XBO and right after that is taking a complete nosedive with Series and GamePass, while creating a steady decline in quality games with games like Halo Infinite, Redfall and Starfield.

Going by rumors, they might double-down on this clusterfuck and even extend to handhelds, with the rumored upcoming early next-gen and handheld.

There is no way MS isn't at least ending up as 3rd party publisher and worst-case ending the Xbox brand.

Let's not forget during the PS3 era PlayStation did start producing top tier games as well which helped in the 2nd half of that generation God of War and Uncharted 2 were turning points to name a few then ended with one of the biggest bangers in The Last of Us

 

[Eiknarf]

This is really the main thing regardless of what they announce next week IMO. The vague statements they've been making have to stop and they need to very clear next week about their plans. I personally think if they are even partially thinking of 3rd party they just need to fully do it. No some games and some not situation.

Is it next week yet? Lol

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

I know people get upset because they feel the company they love "Betrays them", but all of you need to stop doing this:

The truth is that they only care for the stakeholders not "YOU, your feelings, or anything else", they could backtrack but only if they feel a lot of pressure which "I do not feel". Most people won't care about it, only fanatics whose existence depends on a company, and they are the least people. At the end of the day:

Money is King

 

[sendit]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

You want people to be banned so you can live in a echo chamber of positive Phil support speculations that have been ongoing for over a decade? Phil has consistently, and constantly dropped the ball in addressing his cult following in a timely manner.

"Why do you care about 60 FPS?" -Phil Spencer

 

[Topher]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

This news deals directly with the competition in the console space. AKA....the console war. There is really no getting around that.

Calling for mass bans is just absurd, regardless. Click the ignore thread button if this bothers you that much.

 

[spons]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

What are you even here for if you want a ban-wave to happen over this? Just try have some fun dude, it's fucking video games.

 

[Alebrije]

how the fuck has this 53 pages?

We are approaching the event horizont the point of no return.

 

[drganon]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

 

[TheInfamousKira]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

Be the change you want to see, that's what my uncle at Nintendo always said.

 

[ulantan]

It's the Event of the Generation!

Maybe unironicly

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Listening to those twitter spaces and some of the replies to it, such as

“Some Xbox fans need to look at themselves “

Believe me sir I am

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

Let people have their fun and call for banns after the meeting if MS makes their intent clear to stay in the hardware business and they keep it up

I would just avoid this thread until there is something official if it really bothers you

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

Let people have their fun and call for banns after the meeting if MS makes their intent clear to stay in the hardware business and they keep it up

I would just avoid this thread until there is something official if it really bothers you

On topic I think that’ll be exactly what happens - ms says they’re staying in the hardware biz. I’ll be shocked if it’s otherwise. I think that could eventually change, but it won’t be next week

 

[JayDucker]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

 

[MScarpa]

PS3 was made to push blu-ray and _incidentally_ to be used as a games machine. It was also an R&D project for heterogenous computing (Cell).

The STI (Sony-Toshiba-IBM) partnership was supposed to act as an alternative to x86. There were papers floating around about self-healing CPUs etc. Lot's of this was fanciful and never came to anything and it was a huge money pit for Sony as they had to have cutting edge fabs to actually fab the processors.
Remember that there was a special version of Linux for PS3s - the whole idea was that this thing was essentially going to be a work station like a silicon graphics box - it was utter madness.

The end result was that x86 remained dominant, Arm took off in mobile and Sony nearly went bankrupt and had to sell-off a load of assets.

The PS4 system architecture was entirely driven by Cerny trying to deliver performance without breaking the bank as Sony had very little powder left.

Yellow Dog Linux. I love my 60GB OG PS3

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Dude a lot people don't believe that here, Sony is a good guy

They would keep pushing the envelope and still keep prices under $500 because they care

I remember that chick had her profile on a dating app about 6+ months after the show...I did not swipe right

 

[Humdinger]

I don't think MS is going the way people fear

I still believe they have at least one more generation in them but if the new approach fails all bets are off

Yeah, I can't see them abandoning hardware all together. We'll see another Xbox generation.

Maybe I am reading too much into it but I don't think they waited a week to have a meeting just to say they are going 3rd party

But MS better be very clear and concise with their wording on their future

There better not be any of this case by case wording

Based on their history, I'm 95% confident that we will get vaguely worded statements (about which games are going to PS5 in the future, what the duration of exclusivity will be), plenty of nice-sounding corporate speak, and vague "case by case" wording. I would be stunned if they were crystal clear.

I know I'm late to replying to this, but fuck Phil Spencer and his "we hear you and we're listening."

That's been the response for 10 years and it's year after year of failure by this guy and this company.

I thought when they started acquiring companies we would see a slew of new games that allowed Xbox to compete with Sony first party. But it's just more gamepass and disappointment. How about you make some games Phil instead of telling us you're listening (when you aren't) and give people a reason to buy an Xbox. Too late now though.

What a sad decline from the 360 era. Xbox 360 is my favorite console of all time. So many great memories on that console.

Moat infuriating is Phil will ride off into the sunset to swim in his Scrooge McDuck vault of gold coins despite failing massively.

Yeah, it's sad to see. I loved the original Xbox and 360.

I imagine Phil hoped for this to work out differently. I suspect that he is one of the people at the table who is not happy about the changes, because they signify the failure of his vision. I think he expected the Xbox Series consoles, Game Pass, the acquisitions, and the games themselves all to be a lot more successful than they actually were. He had a vision, and it kind of flopped. I think he feels disappointed at the results and is unhappy about facing the music. Just my speculation, of course.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Just wanna say I absolutely love the OG PS3.

 

[thatJohann]

I'm having fun continuously checking this thread and reading about this new Xbox vision.

Maybe this is a genius PR stunt from Microsoft. Any publicity is good publicity they say.

/s

 

[Crayon]

The fact that they are letting this fuck shop ride for another week makes me ask, "how on Earth was the option of just coming out with it worse than this". It's getting worse by the day.

 

[Pelta88]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

This isn't era.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

The fact that they are letting this fuck shop ride for another week makes me ask, "how on Earth was the option of just coming out with it worse than this". It's getting worse by the day.

Positively or negatively, whatever they're going to say, it's going to be amazing.

 

[FewRope]

The problem is that most of the thread is not interesting speculation but rather the usual console war and hyperbole bullshit. I am just astonished that no ban-wave has happened yet

This isnt a regime like Resetera

 

[Crayon]

Positively or negatively, whatever they're going to say, it's going to be amazing.

I seriously want to know the day so I can take it off work.

 

[Moridianae]

This isnt a regime like Resetera

How is ol' Reee taking this news? I assume not well.

 

[FewRope]

How is ol' Reee taking this news? I assume not well.

What do you think? This poor bastard thinks this is going to be a reveal, like E3 or something

 

[DenchDeckard]

It isn't just plastic. People who have had an Xbox for 20 years like me, have gone on a long gaming journey and yes it is emotional and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Humans get attached to things, to particular games, to a particular community - Xbox is where our memories are, where are friends are. This is now in danger of all going away. Of course people will be concerned about that. It isn't a fridge or a washing machine, getting emotionally attached to a particular brand of those would be weird, but gaming is unique. It's a big part of a lot of people's lives. All these comments who think they are clever saying 'it's just plastic' are really stupid.

I get that the memories are real.

I'll never forget the original xbox. I absolutely took the piss out of it. Laughed at my friend for saying he wanted one. I was a full on nintendo fan in the console space, but I was punching in my dos commands on my 486 pc to play doom and graphic adventures. I loved my ps2 as well. Xbox I laughed at when it launched.

Then we played 4 player halo on my friends. I was blown away. I saved up and bought one and for multiplats it became my favourite console due to its higher resolution. I was on xbox live from day one and bought big games like steel battalion.

The 360 was God tier. The best generation with friends for sure. Every night we would be online playing games like bad company 2. 4 player halo 3 legendary runs and so much more.

Xbox has provided incredible memories, those will never go away for you but their plastic box may change into something else. That's what I'm saying. It's not the console, that was your time with your buds. And your personal memories. Enjoy them and hopefully microsoft respect us as customers enough that we don't lose our investment into their eco system. That our purchases and more will go with us one whatever journey they are looking to go on as a business.

*fist bump

 

[Buggy Loop]

I know people get upset because they feel the company they love "Betrays them", but all of you need to stop doing this:

The truth is that they only care for the stakeholders not "YOU, your feelings, or anything else", they could backtrack but only if they feel a lot of pressure which "I do not feel". Most people won't care about it, only fanatics whose existence depends on a company, and they are the least people. At the end of the day:

Money is King

And peoples would be dumb to assume that whatever decision Microsoft made is not for making more cash. You don't get to this kind of business size for nothing. If opening to more platforms means higher profits, why would investors not want that.

 

[Disco Dave]

Career moment incoming for my man Phil.

 

[clarky]

Apparently this is easier said than done for Xbox. If I had to guess I'd say talent retention plays a HUGE role in producing consistent quality content.

How the hell is a development team supposed to put out AAA quality when half of them just came on board as contracts and the other half are worried about losing their 3-5 year position within the next few months. This is a crap environment to create team synergy, high morale and knowledge transference among a development team.

Its what happens when you try and put profit and shareholders before consumers and quality. They have it all backwards just like EA and Battlefield (amongst others).

Its not rocket science like i said, you make a quality product for your customers and the profits roll in.

They have near unlimited funds, no reason to be putting out half baked, broken products like they do.

It will cost them more in the long run as they are finding out.

 

[Varnish La PS]

omg.