-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
IGNs Top 100 RPGs
- Thread starter King of the Potato People
- Start date
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I haven't played morrowind but I really liked oblivion and skyrim
Manmademan
Member
you know what? bad as this list is, it reminds me that there were a lot of really amazing compelling games released in the genre and for that we should be thankful.
i for one am looking forward to senility, so I can play them all again for the first time.
i for one am looking forward to senility, so I can play them all again for the first time.
TheContact
Member
It's kinda hard to rank 100 games in order of superiority since much of the likeness of a game can be attributed to personal experiences and preference.
Age.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
I would bet on Diablo II instead of two more Pokemon games.
Manmademan
Member
some things are subjective, like quality of storyline. no arguments there.
But there are SEVERAL games on this list that suffered from bad game design, bugs, janky combat, or just plain did not age well. These in many cases are juxtaposed with literally flawless games and innovators in the genre.
It's like ranking a ford pinto and a porche 911 as "roughly equivalent" because hey, it's all opinion, man.
yeah, III showing up at ALL, low as it is guarantees Diablo II will be there.
Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy Tactics, Chrono Trigger, Skyrim, Dragon age, another Mass Effect, Pokemon, WOW, KOTOR, Dark Souls, Diablo II, and Fallout 3 are guaranteed for this list- mostly because of the placement of sequels/prequels already on the list.
Pingoreous
Member
EarthBound better be number 1. Childhood nostalgia is at work here but i don't care.
I wouldn't complain. My childhood nostalgia is all up in that bitch.
PaineReign
Neo Member
I think the only fair way to make a definitive "Top Whatever" list is to make it in alphabetical order, any one game is just as another. if you don't think that's the case (number 100 couldn't be number 1 to somebody), make a smaller list.
Of course that won't get you hits and a 25 page neogaf thread.
Of course that won't get you hits and a 25 page neogaf thread.
cj_iwakura
Member
Well, hopefully no one's giving them hits and is just reading it here.
That said, it isn't a bad list, but still; no substitute for actual, you know, news content. (RIP Andriasang)
That said, it isn't a bad list, but still; no substitute for actual, you know, news content. (RIP Andriasang)
Have no illusion, that was the primary reason behind this in the first place.
Goldenroad
Member
Jade Empire? Really?
I'm gonna assume Dragon Age 2 is #1.
I'm gonna assume Dragon Age 2 is #1.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I didn't play Earthbound until I was like sixteen and I'd still put it in the top five JRPGS of all time easily.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Yeah, pretty much. A few questionable inclusions aside, the IGN list isn't THAT bad if you just pretend that they're not ranking the individual games.
cartman414
Member
Wut.
cpp_is_king
Member
Indeed. I was disappointed that it made the list as well
100% locked for the top 20:
- Final Fantasy VI
- Chrono Trigger
- Final Fantasy VII
- Final Fantasy Tactics
- Baldur's Gate 2
- KOTOR
- Skyrim
- Fallout 3
- WoW
- Diablo 2
- Another Mass Effect
Probably in the Top 20:
- Secret of Mana
- Dragon Age Origins
- Planescape Torment
- Final Fantasy IV
- Final Fantasy XII
- Earthbound
Could be in the Top 20 (Major oversights if they don't make the list at all)
- Panzer Dragoon Saga
- System Shock 2
- Grandia
That would be 19 games.
- I don't think Dark Souls is guaranteed to make it. IGN gave it a 9, but they gave Demons Souls a 9.4, and may just choose to have that represent both games.
- Ditto for Pokemon. Pokemon games are pretty conservative, so I doubt they are going to give 3 of the top 30 spots to games that just recycle the same story and game mechanics every generation.
- Guild Wars 2 is a few weeks old, so I really doubt that will show up on the list. You can't declare an MMO one of the best games ever based on a few weeks of play, and IGN hasn't even assigned it an official review yet.
- I thought that Tales of Vesperia would make the list based on the other Tales titles, but I doubt it would be ranked in the top 20. Not sure why someone would pick Destiny over Vesperia though. I am also surprised that they would include 3 Tales games and not one of the Star Ocean titles.
- Final Fantasy VI
- Chrono Trigger
- Final Fantasy VII
- Final Fantasy Tactics
- Baldur's Gate 2
- KOTOR
- Skyrim
- Fallout 3
- WoW
- Diablo 2
- Another Mass Effect
Probably in the Top 20:
- Secret of Mana
- Dragon Age Origins
- Planescape Torment
- Final Fantasy IV
- Final Fantasy XII
- Earthbound
Could be in the Top 20 (Major oversights if they don't make the list at all)
- Panzer Dragoon Saga
- System Shock 2
- Grandia
That would be 19 games.
- I don't think Dark Souls is guaranteed to make it. IGN gave it a 9, but they gave Demons Souls a 9.4, and may just choose to have that represent both games.
- Ditto for Pokemon. Pokemon games are pretty conservative, so I doubt they are going to give 3 of the top 30 spots to games that just recycle the same story and game mechanics every generation.
- Guild Wars 2 is a few weeks old, so I really doubt that will show up on the list. You can't declare an MMO one of the best games ever based on a few weeks of play, and IGN hasn't even assigned it an official review yet.
- I thought that Tales of Vesperia would make the list based on the other Tales titles, but I doubt it would be ranked in the top 20. Not sure why someone would pick Destiny over Vesperia though. I am also surprised that they would include 3 Tales games and not one of the Star Ocean titles.
Augemitbutter
Member
Valkyrie Profile should also be on that list somewhere.
NekoToshiro
Member
10 - World of Warcraft
9 - Fable 3
8 - Modern Warfare
7 - Dragon age
6 - Elder Scrolls V:Skyrim
5 - Modern warfare 2
4 - Black ops
3 - Dragon age 2
2 - Mass Effect 3
1 - Modern Warfare 3
0 - Black Ops 2 (Will be #1 when it launches)
I think my list is better and more accurate.
Manmademan
Member
probably correct here. The two are so close in quality and mechanics that ranking them any significant placement apart is just lunacy. but again we did see this with Persona 3 and 4...
See above. I'd agree here as well, but pokemon is one of the few series (DQ and FF being the others) that have a legitimate claim to being a phenomenon that expanded the genre. just one entry (and black/white at that) just doesn't seem quite right when there's absolute trash cluttering up the list for no good reason. If someone saw fit to include both Persona 3 and 4, Dragon Quest 1 and 2 and 5, kingdom hearts 1 and 2, two phantasy stars *and* Ogre Battle MOTBQ *and* LUCT...I can see more than one Pokemon.
totally agree.
edit: oh shit. no zelda yet
Morrowind was an alright game. I can't stand how slow everything is and the awful dice roll combat. The real time combat of the newer games, while not perfect, still blows away Morrowind's *stand next to enemy and mash 1 button and hope the coin flips are in my favor combat formula.
Probably cut in favour of including Bioware's entire publishing history. Valkyrie Profile is another game that I would have figured would make the list when they revealed #81-100, but now that we are down to 20 spot I don't see it happening.
Based on the inclusion of Dragon Quest 1 and Final Fantasy 1, I could definitely see them including Red/Blue. However, there's no way that both that and Gold/Silver make the top 20. If Black/White isn't representing the entire series, we will get one of the two Gameboy entries to cover the earlier roots of the franchise.
Few people consider Zelda an rpg series. When I run my rpg lists, I'll get 2-3 people voting for OOT or one of the other titles, but that's about it. I think more people voted for Borderlands in the last thread.
To Far Away Times
Member
Good Games said:
Bad Game said:
This is officially the worst list ever.
Manmademan
Member
i don't either, but zelda has been showing up on "best of" RPG lists for so long its pointless to contest it at this point.
That, and considering that they've included both kingdom hearts 1 and 2, as well as Odin Sphere (?!) means that all bets are off in terms of what's an RPG and what isn't.
Actually I rarely see Zelda on Top Rpg lists unless it is a fan list on someone's blog. I think they pretty much accepted to be adventure games. If you are going to include Zelda, you might as well throw in Shadow of the Colossus or Super Metroid.
Kingdom Hearts and Odin Sphere at least have stats and levels, multiple PCs, and other things that are usually associated with action rpgs.
boybrushdRED
Member
I thought they'll rank Deus Ex 1 higher. I even thought it will be number 1. Anyway, I think I will give IGN a chance and wait for their #1 game and play that game this weekend to see for myself.
Also, still no FFXII and Jeanne d'Arc. We're in the top 20 now and maybe I can still hope for FFXII making it but not anymore for Jeanne d'Arc.
Also, still no FFXII and Jeanne d'Arc. We're in the top 20 now and maybe I can still hope for FFXII making it but not anymore for Jeanne d'Arc.
No. Wild Arms' claim to fame was being the first (or at least the first I remember) rpg out in the west with 3D polygon based battles back when simply having 3D graphics in your game was a selling point. Unfortunately those 3D models look extremely rough now. Wild Arms had a good soundtrack and a decent plot, but it isn't better than the two games you mentioned. Suikoden 1 was released earlier, and was probably be best rpg on the system before Final Fantasy VII opened the floodgates.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Oblivion over Morrowind.
LOL!
LOL!
A Link to the Past
Banned
:/ The gap between Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door is ridiculously large.
Correction, fuck SMRPG
Correction, fuck SMRPG
Super Mario RPG is one of those games that rides high on the Nostalgia wave. I'd rank most of the Mario RPGs (Paper Mario 1 + 2, Mario and Luigi 1 + 3) above Super Mario RPG, but people love that game.
jangotangos
Member
Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines?
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance?
Bueller???
Bueller???
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance?
Bueller???
Bueller???
BigWeather
Member
I agree on just doing the 100 alpha, that'd be better. However, hard to argue with the effectiveness of this list for drumming up interest in IGN.
I may not agree with the order but they did include Ultima IV, VII, Underworld, and Online in the list. All four ground-breaking in the genre.
I'd probably swap VII out for VI on the basis that it started the whole "open world with tons to do" push that culminated in VII and it has a much better story.
While it is tempting to swap Ultima IV out for V as V is a much better game there is no denying IV's importance to the series (establishing Britannia as the home of the series for many subsequent installments as well as the Avatar mythos) and to the genre (not being about killing a Foozle).
Ultima Underworld and Online, no question, belong on the basis of pushing the genre forward.
Only other one I'd have liked to see is Ultima III due to its influence on the first JRPGs that followed (Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior). Overland travel with a single icon representing the party, separate battle screen involving multi-character turn-based combat, etc.
But, hey, beggars can't be choosers. This really wasn't the top 100 most important RPGs but they did include many games that would qualify (the aforementioned Ultima titles, Pool of Radiance, Bard's Tale). Wizard's Crown would belong on that list, but I don't think we'll see it show up on this one (and, besides, it wouldn't belong in the top 20). They also managed to squeeze in a Might and Magic and a Wizardry which is nice.
I may not agree with the order but they did include Ultima IV, VII, Underworld, and Online in the list. All four ground-breaking in the genre.
I'd probably swap VII out for VI on the basis that it started the whole "open world with tons to do" push that culminated in VII and it has a much better story.
While it is tempting to swap Ultima IV out for V as V is a much better game there is no denying IV's importance to the series (establishing Britannia as the home of the series for many subsequent installments as well as the Avatar mythos) and to the genre (not being about killing a Foozle).
Ultima Underworld and Online, no question, belong on the basis of pushing the genre forward.
Only other one I'd have liked to see is Ultima III due to its influence on the first JRPGs that followed (Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior). Overland travel with a single icon representing the party, separate battle screen involving multi-character turn-based combat, etc.
But, hey, beggars can't be choosers. This really wasn't the top 100 most important RPGs but they did include many games that would qualify (the aforementioned Ultima titles, Pool of Radiance, Bard's Tale). Wizard's Crown would belong on that list, but I don't think we'll see it show up on this one (and, besides, it wouldn't belong in the top 20). They also managed to squeeze in a Might and Magic and a Wizardry which is nice.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Seeing the games ranging from 20's to 90's I really think any gaps there would be very slim.
the fact that one game is in say 97 and another in 37 doesn't mean that they are more than one decimal point apart.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Actual dates are hard to come by on some of them these days, but if I remember correctly, in the US, as far as RPGs on the PS1 go, it went...
King's Field
Beyond the Beyond
Suikoden
Persona
Wild Arms
Final Fantasy 7
There wasn't a huge gap between the release dates for WA & FF7 and for as much grief as people give FF7, there's no denying that the 3D models in combat there are drastically better than Wild Arms' models. Excluding FF7 (which everyone's talked about extensively) and Beyond the Beyond (which gets a bad rap for being awful when it's merely mediocre), most of these games are more noteworthy for their sequels rather than these specific games. Of the lot, Suikoden is the best one. Although I have a lot of nostalgia for Wild Arms, it doesn't belong in a top 100 best RPGs of all time list.
Not gonna lie, I'd put PSO in the top 5
CecilRousso
Member
There is no way any sane person who played Fallout: New Vegas, and actually paid attention what was going on, would put Oblivion not only higher on the list, but that much higher. But I´ll guess that this list is more focused on generating hits on the site then any ambition to make a serious list, so mission accomplished for them. 
It´s by far the worst game related list I´ve seen, but they got my attention.
It´s by far the worst game related list I´ve seen, but they got my attention.