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[BeekleMatter]

You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then it is stuck with them.

Wow.

 

[Red Liquorice]

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

lmao! This whole thing is so draconian, but this clause made me laugh.

Joe Public aren't going to read all these rules and regulations, when little Johnny wants to trade in his games, his mom is going to get very angry in the store! lol

Bend over and spread 'em!

 

[Slayer-33]

This is too much.

I am fucking dying

 

[Eteric Rice]

Still not in.

 

[josecitoxnyo]

It´s your turn Sony, don´t let us down.

 

[brinstar]

what the fuck

like seriously

every "feature" is a restriction of some sort

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Given that my consoles are connected to the internet 99% of the year, this isn't an issue.

For you.

 

[gofreak]

It sounds like pubs can totally block trade ins or gifting of games if they want? 'Enabling' these things makes it sound like its opt-in, that the default is to not allow it?

I guess lending doesn't work here...a one time gifting option doesn't really accommodate that.

 

[Americanmushroom]

well the 24 hours thing will screw me where i'll live, no Ethernet or Wifi... i'm out

 

[Berg]

Interested in the family sharing, would like more info on exactly who you can make a "family member"

I'm thinking the borrowing a game from a friend could be a non issue for me. If i just disconnect the system from the internet and beat the game within 24 hours, i'll be good.

 

[PopeReal]

I don't understand. If I lend a game to a friend, can I have it back?

They said each game can only be given once. So I would say no.

 

[pargonta]

And people are going to buy no matter what sadly :/

that's not true though, i hate that response. as long as the public knows through the media, enthusiasts and word of mouth, the product may not sell well. it is not a known success

 

[PlanetSmasher]

I should have saved that Team America GIF I just posted in another thread and used it here. Christ on a bicycle, Microsoft. Approved retailers only? How nice of you.

 

[Gartooth]

OK I will say good on MS for clearing the air in terms of everyone's questions prior to E3.

However, regardless while we did get some good news such as lending games to friends, overall it is still something I very much dislike.

 

[badcrumble]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

Yeah. This is pretty horrid, but I suspect that it's also what Sony will be doing.

 

[cyberheater]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

Yep. But MS has the balls to own up an admit it.

 

[Mass Effect]

Always online? No private sales? No renting? Plus I'll have to pay for Live.

Nope. I'm out. At least they made the choice extremely easy.

 

[doniewhalberg]

Well, I guess they were finally honest and open...but this didn't make it sound good ( to me) at all.

- No renting

- no loaning games

- MS first party games will let you trade in games at participating retailers, but 3rd party may opt out or arrange fees in there on someone's end outside of your transaction with the retailer.

- You can't turn off kinect all together, you can *pause* it. Kinect off seems to synonymous with the xbox being entirely switched off.

these are all pretty brutal to me. It's definitely going to make some of the more dedicated gamers wonder why they're not just going PC, it's like they are actively removing those barriers for you.

The rental one is the big problem for me, I rent games every week, and buy when I think the price is appropriate ie. not $60 every single time. This will slow down the number of new games I can try/taker a chance on. It'll force me to play safer with what I'll play, and the fact I will have no stop gap to waiting for the price to come down means I could as easily lose interest in a game altogether.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale

We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.

Its not a coincidence that they put that in there. That's the same thing Sony has been saying.

 

[Dead Prince]

lmao! This whole thing is so draconian, but this clause made me laugh.

Joe Public aren't going to read all these rules and regulations, when little Johnny wants to trade in his games, his mom is going to get very angry in the store! lol

Bend over and spread 'em!

will go to friends house and steal his game and put it in mine lol. and give it back for funsies.

 

[Jake Tower]

So, reading between the lines, this information means you need to make a new account for each game you purchase, and sell/give the account along with the game to preserve its "Bird Rights" for the new owner.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Used games are bad people!



Unless you do it at select retailers, then it's ok... fuck off!

 

[PJV3]

The rules will become more restrictive later on in my opinion, get people on board first and then start salami slicing.

 

[Wolves Evolve]

Its all BOHICA but the family allowance will be how they sell it. Fucking idiots.

 

[CoachKevin]

No thank you. I guess I will see what Sony does.

 

[hal9001]

Why would any publisher opt into this?

To differentiate themselves, I suppose, from companies that are going to do it (ea and activision) and portray themselves as pro consumer. Who am I kidding no ones going to opt into this.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I am curious what the people who are saying "sounds reasonable," would consider an unreasonable policy to be.

 

[kuppy]

A new generation of games with power from the cloud: Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection, developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you’re not playing.

Adam Orth is that you?

 

[jtb]

honestly, MS should've had the balls to go DD only with this one. it would've saved everyone a massive headache with all this garbage and they would have easily avoided the PR firestorm.

 

[Y2Kev]

Mobile authentication is confusing to me. How does it know what game is in your drive if the Xbone cannot reach the internet?

 

[CaptainTiptop]

I can just see all the angry costumers returning the XBONE because they weren't aware of these 'features' already.

The 24 hour check-in stuff is just the biggest bullshit. Just fuck that.

 

[NotLiquid]

This is actually way worse than I was expecting, I'm not sure how this clarification was a good thing.

24 hour online check was confirmed, publishers can kill off used games as they like (and only available through specific retailers), can only share your games with your friends only once give the game to your friend and never get it back. This is totally fucked up.

Yeah I'm actually reading this closely and it's honestly pretty fucking awful.

This shit doesn't need to be this fucking complicated Microsoft.

 

[LiquidSolid]

So I guess they didn't change anything, they just wanted PR to make it sound like the reader should be grateful for the DRM.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I pretty much guessed there was going to be a way to transfer and revoke your license of a game to enable used games.

No fees to transfer licenses is great, only one transfer per game is unfortunate but workable.

Wait, if I transfer a game to my friend Bob, can Bob then transfer it to his friend Sally?

At first I thought no, but then rereading it, I think that you can. It's just saying that only you can transfer it once because once you do, you no longer have anything to transfer. They can then have a transfer as well.

 

[Woorloog]

I really, really hope Sony does not restrict private sales in any way, and doesn't require online connection (if publishers required that, no problem with it, i just avoid those games).

Microsoft just killed the console for me, no matter what games it will have.

 

[Starfish Hero]

MS should've just went download only if they were going to do this shit.

 

[SlowRevolution]

How does this sound good at all? Am I missing something?

Sony, I'm totally willing to give you my money. Please don't screw up.

 

[Revven]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

PLEASE SAY IT AIN'T SO.

 

[rudieboy77]

Where does it say no rentals?

 

[Agent Dale Cooper]

Sharing games with up to 10 people?

That's sensational. So good.

 

[Jocchan]

Oh wow. This is getting even worse than I expected.

Everything is true., nothing is permitted.

We are entering a brave new world.

 

[RoboPlato]

Doesn't sound good to me. In fact, it sounds worse than I expected. They didn't mention anything about Kinect either.

 

[Mrbob]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

Yup. I'm bracing for the worst now.

 

[Artex]

what the fuck

like seriously

every "feature" is a restriction of some sort

Yeah lol...I was thinking the same thing. They dressed up each one.

 

[Baby Milo]

all around pretty terrible

 

[iammeiam]

The family share thing is neat, I guess. And apparently MS is letting pubs decide whether or not to charge used game fees. And giving DD content to friends is kind of great.

Xbone is arguably a fairly strong DD-only console (if you're all digital next gen, and have stable Internet, these policies are decent) that suffers because it takes physical media. Hm.

 

[Daver]

How much do you these policies will alienate thier current market? Sure, yeah gaming forum users are rightfully outraged and many, including me, refuse to buy a console that is so restricted. How much of this negative sentiment will spread to the mainstream consumer?

I am very, very interested to see.

 

[Toski]

What is MS really getting out of doing this? Obviously they know they are taking a tremendous PR hit by continuing with these measures, so I'm wondering why they're doing it. Those exclusive agreements must really be set in stone for them to continue on the path they're on.

 

[dinosaur_hunter2]

What if the publishers do not enable me to share my games and trade them in?

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

How generous of them to allow me to lend a game to one of my friends.