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[cyberheater]

It sounds like pubs can totally block trade ins or gifting of games if they want? 'Enabling' these things makes it sound like its opt-in, that the default is to not allow it?

I guess lending doesn't work here...a one time gifting option doesn't really accommodate that.

Say if you "gift" your game to a friend. Which is a one time deal. And he trades it in?

 

[Kyoufu]

I don't understand. If I lend a game to a friend, can I have it back?

It seems like you can't have it back after giving it to him/her. LOL

 

[DryvBy]

Good luck, Microsoft. Tell Nintendo gamers said hello.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

No, we already know Sony's has no Online DRM or check-ins.

Publisher shit might be though.

 

[Into]

I don't understand how it is better than we thought. It seems like a restatement of the shit Phil Harrison tripped over a few weeks ago with one exception-- sounds like there will be a limited lending feature but not at launch (no time commitment given). No private sales, and potentially no used game sales depending on publisher.

Yep it is just as bad as people thought it was going to be, you are going to have to jump through hoops just play games, 24 hour warden prison cell check is still intact, no connection, no game, but you still use other features.

It is still anti used games, in addition to all the other things. Its basically going to require a thick manual to understand all the rules of this console, what you are allowed to, what is possible and what isent.

 

[xaosslug]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

EA's 'unprecedented partnership' with MS + Sony employees encouraging the #NoDRMonPS4 initiative leads me to doubt this immensely...

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Most of these "features" seem like restrictions of shit you can already do on the 360 >_>

 

[Star Falcon]

I am assuming the 24 hour check-in can be tethered up via 3G on my smart phone.

It is annoying, but can work around it.

 

[Cmerrill]

 

[massoluk]

Again with the "reasonable" comments. I read it and it basically confirmed all the suck.

 

[Metalmurphy]

The rules will become more restrictive later on in my opinion, get people on board first and then start salami slicing.

You can bet on it. Sony did it this gen.

 

[dmr87]

Good luck teaching this to the general public out there, what a mess. I'm a fucking nerd and I'm like 'Yeaaaaaaa, hmmm, ehh, no.'

 

[havokt]

I have always purchased an Xbox counsel at launch. This will no longer be the case!

 

[FoneBone]

Mobile authentication is confusing to me. How does it know what game is in your drive if the Xbone cannot reach the internet?

Onscreen QR code, possibly?

 

[Azure Phoenix]

Regardless of if these restrictions are as tight as originally expected, they are a convoluted mess and customers should not be having to jump through all these hoops to sell/trade/lend their legally purchased games.

You can sell your games but only at certain places and not privately, you can play offline but only for 24 hours on your own system or an hour on another system, you can lend games out, but only once and only if they've been on your friendlist for an arbitrary amount of time. Just try explaining that crap to the average parent when they wonder why their kid's Xbox won't play some games, or keeps demanding an internet connection - half of them have trouble trying to understand online passes as it is.

 

[NoSkillz187]

This sounds nice. I wouldn't mind donating games to a friend that can't afford it.

But you will no longer have access to that game is what they left out.

 

[Nightz]

The buy/sell/trade thread just took a hit.

 

[Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties]

Yeah. This is as bad as we thought, or worse.

Some is the same, some is worse, and some is much better. The ability to share your games with "family" members regardless of the Xbox they're using is great. Unless of course they're limiting it somehow to IP, which means they'd need to be in the same house.

 

[Yondy604]

For people who are not reading it properly, basically they confirmed everything that was rumored, It's the worst case scenario.

The only thing that can save this, if there are a TON of GOOD exclusive games that get announced

The buy/sell/trade thread just took a hit.

No, actually it KILLED it

 

[Father_Brain]

No loans. You fully lend a game to a friend, it's considered "giving" it and you can't get it back without buying a new copy.

Wow.

And only once per disc, and only if the publisher chooses to allow it.

Christ.

 

[BruceWayneIII]

What do you mean this isn't bad? It pretty much confirmed what we expected.

1. Xbone requires a internet connection. If you don't check in within 24 hours, your system is essentially locked.

2. You can not borrow or rent games.

3. You CAN trade your games to friends but they must be on your friends list and once you trade it, it gets tied to their account. You can only trade the game ONE time.

4. Publishers will have the ability to block you from selling/trading the game.

Just because they worded it differently doesn't make it better.

.

 

[shinobi602]

"A new generation of games with power from the cloud: Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection, developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you’re not playing."

 

[entremet]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

Yeah. The writing is on the wall. I doubt MS will do this without having Sony doing it. They will be giving away too much competitive advantage.

 

[L1NETT]

I might be being super dense here, but for the 10 family member thing, I assume it is only 10 people linked under a "family" account plan thing.

Just like you can have different gamertags linked to one account, so everyone in that "account" can play for example Forza or Titanfall.

Or I missing something?

As for the rest of it, going to Uni In Sep (hopefully) with (probably) rubbish internet so err...doesn't sound too promising.

 

[kingocfs]

What is MS really getting out of doing this? Obviously they know they are taking a tremendous PR hit by continuing with these measures, so I'm wondering why they're doing it. Those exclusive agreements must really be set in stone for them to continue on the path they're on.

Deeply embedding you into their ecosystem.

 

[Oppo]

All of this is just ridiculous to have anyone have to think about and try to parse and understand when announcing a fun new video game console. It's utterly ridiculous.

Yes. Yes it is.

I love the wording of "we designed the Xbox One console to enable blahlblah..." that framing is amazing. Enabled a bunch of anticonsumer bullshit, is what they did. We knew what we could do with games before. Now they have added all these systems and trying to sell it like it's a feature. Guess what I could hand over my iTunes or Steam password to a friend before, big fucking deal.

 

[evolution]

It literally does not say that lol.

I have no problem with any of what I've read in this.

Looks like Microsoft gave answers. Far more than what I was expecting before E3 anyway.

Yeah it does.

 

[puebla]

read again then

no, my opinion is better than yours.

 

[McHuj]

I have a feeling that the worst is yet to come.

Some thing along of the lines of Gold required for 24-hour checks, otherwise enjoy your cable box/dvd player.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

I'm betting that you're right.

 

[jblank83]

"Xbox, go **** yourself."

 

[Piano]

No renting, no loaning. No private sales (unless selling to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days)

Wow.

 

[Cryolemon]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

As I said, I'll be intrigued to see how that works.

 

[alr1ght]

There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

This is the most disgusting, pathetic garbage I've ever seen.

 

[antitrop]

This console is completely worthless to many active duty members of militaries around the world.

 

[vDaedalus]

If 10 was the absolute worst things could get, Id rank this at about a 9.5

 

[H_Prestige]

Wait a sec, so when you "give" a game to a friend, it's now his? As in not borrowed? And if you want to play it again you have to buy a new copy?

Wow, if true, then this is no better than what we originally thought. Only instead of the lendee paying for the game the lender does.

"Xbox, go **** yourself."

LOL, +1

 

[JetBlackPanda]

 

[Guevara]

No thanks, I won't be treated like a criminal.

 

[KAP151]

Too many restrictions for something that should be easy as pie to use.

Nope. Not for me.

 

[abunai]

Wow. Little bit speechless.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Sharing games with up to 10 people?

That's sensational. So good.

10 family members. You can bet your ass they'll probably ask for birth certificates for this...

 

[Eusis]

Ooh and I bet this is Sony's system. Like almost identical.

The fact Microsoft wants nothing is alarming, because it really does imply this was publisher pushed more than anything else.

Then again maybe Sony's system is a more basic "if they WANT to include a one time activation key they can, otherwise it's the same as it always has been." We'll see, but that wrinkle does make it alarming, and possibly more fuel for wanting a crash that destroys these companies.

 

[tfur]

Disaster.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Microsoft has shown its hand, Sony now has no excuse.

Don't fuck this up.

 

[Pinko Marx]

I'm willing to bet Sony's is pretty similar to this. Minus always online.

 

[Seiru]

I sure feel enabled. Thank you, Game Publishers!

 

[freenudemacusers]

LMAO!

"M$ doesn't take a fee for this"

No! You just restrict it to certain locations/circumstances so you can take a cut of their sales.

yeah that is pretty transparent.

 

[Graphics Horse]

It's great that you can still watch live tv after 24 hours without internet.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Thanks for clearing this up MS.

What a load of shite.