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[Toki767]

So that used game stuff would also mean I probably couldn't sell any imported games, right? Because Gamestop/XYZ wouldn't accept them.

Doubt it's even region free at this point.

 

[Aske]

Welp, glad that's settled. MS expects consumers to keep paying the same or more for next gen game discs with crippled functionality. I wouldn't need to be granted the benevolent power of the cloud-library if they didn't rob me of the right to slap a disc into any given system and play with no net connection required. I hope this decision bites them hard.

Can't wait to find out if Sony plans to follow suit.

 

[IrishNinja]

Everyone needs to go read for themselves the policies. Sad that no one takes the time to read. Xbone supports used games.

just got done reading through it...yeah, it's still a lotta horseshit man

Seems like a reasonable solution to me

are you people being serious with this, or is this a meme/cognitive dissonance or something

cause i remember walking out of wolverine origins, as a huge wolvy fan, and being unable to process seeing the biggest pile of shit since matrix revolutions i yelled "FLAWLESS" so i can relate here

 

[Gotchaye]

I'm seeing people saying this applies to friends. I don't see that. It says family and I'm betting you will have to provide some kind of info to tie the accounts as family members. I'm sure you can weasel through some loopholes to bypass it but I wouldn't put it past M$ to focus on weeding out users who try to exploit this

Microsoft isn't going to set up a system to force people to send in legal documents demonstrating that they're sufficiently closely related to someone for them to count as "family". They're also not going to exclude domestic partners, step-siblings, etc.

I expect that the family thing is going to come with exclusive access - only one person can play the game at a time. If you try to start a game and someone in your "family" is playing on another box somewhere, it won't start. So it might be possible to pretty conveniently share games among small groups, but you've got to trust each other not to be jerks about it. They might also require that the accounts all use the same linked credit card, but I don't know.

Still, the policies as a whole are rage-inducing. No user-to-user sales but explicit allowances for major businesses selling used games?

 

[kasane]

So what happens if you don't turn on your console? Will it be like PS plus updates which automatically turns it on?

Edit: I remember it can be on low power state. Is it still connected to the net then?

 

[Jarmel]

Yep, all you need is have 10 friends be in agreement EVERY time you want to buy a game, and also be patient when that guy who says he's going to be finished with it on Tuesday keeps giving you the run-around, or isn't at home, or lives in another state so now you have to ship it to him.....

And that's completely ignoring the fact that this scenario has already been likely thought of by MS and the publishers.

I have friends who will agree to that. It's not that hard to work out. We talk often enough that this would be dead easy to do.

 

[Chopper]

I hope Sony does the right thing. The idea of only owning a WiiU is frightening.

Your avatar is the wrong Blues Brother.

On topic, I couldn't be any less impressed with whatever the fuck is going on at Microsoft. E3 is gonna be more interesting than it's ever been this year...

 

[travisbickle]

Everyone needs to go read for themselves the policies. Sad that no one takes the time to read. Xbone supports used games.

Do you know what the worst part is?

You haven't been banned, so you're actually not paid to do this!

 

[freenudemacusers]

there are a lot of dead bodies in this centipede.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Hope for another vid.

 

[Impeccable]

Boycott campaign?

I am at the point of this console and any future offerings by MS. Even if they suddenly have a change of heart we know their true colours.

 

[golem]

This isn't a very good example. On PC Xcom has been under $20 (as low as $12) multiple times on many sites, including Steam. It was also given away for free to practically everybody who pre-ordered Bioshock Infinite (Steam, Green Man Gaming etc,).

It was just a random example. The poster I was replying to said he couldnt see discounts happening on newish titles on Xbox. I pointed out that they are already happening.

Will the discounts be as deep as they sometimes are on Steam vs Xbox's closed platform? That is where the question is.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

I know they are your Internet best bros, but they are BFFs with publishers.

I know you like to be disingenous and you dislike the site, so stop. Go troll Kuchera, the journo that is actually saying to you and me that we are eating our own shit.

 

[YuriLowell]

Nice move for Microsoft.


Release the bad news before, than only good news at E3.

What good news?
Nothing they have can top this.

 

[MrDenny]

What happens to gamefly?

 

[UrbanRats]

Could they make this anymore complicated?

"You can share you games with up to 3 friends, one of them has to wear green socks, another has to be born in June and the third HAS to have been in Vietnam when he/her was 22."

 

[jay]

It "supports" them by eliminating the private seller system and allowing exclusive retailers to jack up prices and then, when one wants to sell, has a monopoly on trade-ins and offers pennies on the dollar for each game.

Yeah, sounds great.

You still aren't reading it hard enough. Stare at it until it says "everything is awesome" and then you will have successfully read it.

 

[Concept17]

All of this just seems so entirely unnecessary.

 

[Phatcorns]

They are completely and utterly deluded if they think that the average consumer will somehow understand that the disc can't be sold after they're done with it.

I don't know what planet they're living on, but forget about us hardcores for a second. There's just no chance any regular person will be okay with not being able to sell a disc once they're done with it.

 

[steveovig]

How can anyone, with a sane mind, support this crap? Count me out forever from these guys, no question about it.

 

[nick nacc]

this is gold microsoft, gold.

 

[PanicFreak]

So
PS4 has stronger Hardware
Has free Online Play
More Consumer friendly
More Indi Dev friendly
Will be around the same price as the xbone
Sony showed that they release many AAA exclusives the whole Generation and not like MS only in the first 4-5years.

Why should anyone buy a Xbone at the moment?

Not confirmed.

 

[Karuyag]

Seems like they took this long because they wanted to carefully word their response...

But it's clear... this "feature" is just too archaic for my tastes...

 

[Soler]

So ps4 guys now you now what is coming to to your console. Don't even think it will any different on your side. If not, MS will truley rock this E3 because the publishers will support this. If the publishers will support ps4 without this restrictions then you can expect a new meaning to exklusive dlc for xbox one or maybe even kiss goodbye to a lot of third publishers.

So whats the salary over at MS?
Good benefits?

 

[Spongebob]

Boycott campaign?

I hope so.

 

[LowParry]

Nice move for Microsoft.


Release the bad news before, than only good news at E3.

This isn't exactly bad news. This is fucked up news. I don't think any matter of good news will save MS at this point.

 

[Shinta]

Thanks!

You've undeniably been great on this issue. But you should write another article about the issues with all this. Fahey wrote something about the Kinect stuff and basically said everything's fine when it's really not, at all.

 

[Alebrije]

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

Can I sell my game to an extranger? a person at work or online?

 

[BobLoblaw]

Can't wait to see Sony's response. If they jump on this immediately, then they'll defintely allow used/borrowed games. If not, get ready to bend over people.

 

[10k]

I said I was done with Xbox after the 360 became a useless machine after 2010. I got a gaming PC, and basically all third party games I was buying on 360 went to PC. I kept the 360 for Halo anniversary but then traded it in. Xbox Live wasn't worth it to me since I wasn't playing it.

Xbox One was Microsoft's chance to maybe win me back. Lol, 0% chance now.

 

[greendomo's ghost]

As someone who had the PS2 as their primary console last generation, and made the switch to 360 this generation...I think I'm going to just buy a PC.

 

[Suburban_Nooblet]

What happens to gamefly?

I imagine the execs are in a meeting as we speak asking the same thing.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

What happens to gamefly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw

 

[Mirk]

wow this is bad... I'll be pissed if this pos becomes big and it spreads! >:|

 

[OminousShadow]

Spot on.

 

[Scum]

So
PS4 has stronger Hardware
Has free Online Play
More Consumer friendly
More Indi Dev friendly
Will be around the same price as the xbone
Sony showed that they release many AAA exclusives the whole Generation and not like MS only in the first 4-5years.

Why should anyone buy a Xbone at the moment?

MS are probably hoping we're all dumb enough to let this slide by using their establish and exclusive IPs to cover it all up.

E3 is going to be fun next week. I gloriously await the Carnival of Stupid!

 

[Sleepy]

What happens to gamefly?

The same thing that will happen to GS.

 

[ZedIndyLil]

Maybe it's their strategy to make retail such a cock-up that people go DD-only just to avoid the confusion

 

[ironcreed]

Nice move for Microsoft.


Release the bad news before, than only good news at E3.

Hey, all that matters is that they show some good games, right? Because like they said, "those who only want games will still pick us anyway." Despicable.

 

[nbthedude]

I sent the detailed list of the new policies listed in the OP to my friend, who is a casual gamer, without comment on whether I thought they were good on bad. This is what he sent me back, which I thought summed it up nicely:

So, fuck poor kids, I guess.

 

[InSpectre]

And that was all she wrote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-NmmSdn0YU

 

[allan-bh]

What good news?
Nothing they have can top this.

We love games, so they may have big announcements to make.

 

[USC-fan]

Your move Sony....

Ms just lost e3 before it even started.

 

[Cess007]

Please save us Sony. You're our only hope!

Someone should make a gif of that scene with changed subs xD

 

[Psi]

Uhh wat

https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/342784210328776704

We already know you take pleasure in trying to make people eat shit Kuchera.

 

[Shinta]

Could they make this anymore complicated?

"You can share you games with up to 3 friends, one of them has to wear green socks, another has to be born in June and the third HAS to have been in Vietnam when he/her was 22."

The scary thing is they could probably verify all of that.

 

[giancarlo123x]

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

RyanReedyMusic
Banned
(Today, 08:00 PM)

 

[captive]

What happens to all the college students who can't play Xbox One because their college blocks Xbox Live access their in dorms (really common for college's to do). You know, the audience MS is targeting...

MS is drunk at the wheel.

they are, really. Its like they forgot what got them so big. I remember back when I was in college, almost every weekend there were Halo matches across the campus, we would hook up xbox's all across the campus and play against each other. Same thing later with the 360, we would all go to one guys house/apartment and all the 360 owners would bring an extra 360 and games and we would lan party it up. Often times though the console wouldnt be hooked up to internet and we would split screen.

I cant even imagine, well hold on guys! i need to sign in, on his console as my account and start the download, and then we need to do it on his console. ridiculous.

 

[Flying Toaster]

We still have to see what Sony does. I hope that they are not this idiotic but publishers do have power and we will have to see how much power they really have once the PS4 conference is over.

If Sony does go this way it looks like it is a PC/handheld generation for me.

 

[UrbanRats]

This isn't exactly bad news. This is fucked up news. I don't think any matter of good news will save MS at this point.

I wonder how many outside of GAF/Hcore circle even know about this (or care, until it's too late).