S0ULZB0URNE
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You can't get a 4090 for retail.
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Senua
Member
Prove it!
delirium trigger
Member
That's why I said they were going for close to 1k over msrp...
Although I've read that best buy has gotten a few in stock over the past few weeks but good luck with that.
Freeman76
Member
Recently bought a gaming PC and absolutely love it.
I have a 4070, 32GBddr5 and a 7800x3d and it runs anything I throw at it with no issues at all.
Rdr2 4k Ultra hits over 100fps at times, never drops under 50fps.
Guild wars 2 runs on ultra settings 4k at 120fps every map, and even in huge events with 50+ players zerging a huge boss it stays over 60fps.
I was always dismissive of PC gaming but I am fully converted. The thought of replaying games I loved on console that ran like shit is exciting.
I bought Arkham Knight off cdeys for 3 quid, everything maxed including all the nvidia effects at 4k it doesnt drop below 70fps and looks incredible.
Hopefully the steam sale starts soon, I put 100 aside for that cant wait to jump into some older games at 4k with high fps.
I have a 4070, 32GBddr5 and a 7800x3d and it runs anything I throw at it with no issues at all.
Rdr2 4k Ultra hits over 100fps at times, never drops under 50fps.
Guild wars 2 runs on ultra settings 4k at 120fps every map, and even in huge events with 50+ players zerging a huge boss it stays over 60fps.
I was always dismissive of PC gaming but I am fully converted. The thought of replaying games I loved on console that ran like shit is exciting.
I bought Arkham Knight off cdeys for 3 quid, everything maxed including all the nvidia effects at 4k it doesnt drop below 70fps and looks incredible.
Hopefully the steam sale starts soon, I put 100 aside for that cant wait to jump into some older games at 4k with high fps.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This will last you for the rest of the gen and should run everything at 2x PS5 resolution/framerate. Just be aware that this will NOT run everything at MAX settings so be ready to make compromises, run most stuff on high with some further downgrades to medium settings. Also beware DLSS balanced or performance will be required to run most high end games like AW2 and Avatar at 60 fps using high/medium settings.
Do this only if you have extra cash:
Do this even if you dont have extra cash. These two are very critical:
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
You don't play modern games at high settings,fps and resolutions with 16.
darth.shrimp
Member
Does 6000MHz make that big a difference compared to 5600? (yes, I know in the OP it was only 5200, which is obviously pretty low by today's standard)
The only 6000 RAM I can get right now is good, but with some ugly RGB... guess I can always deactivate it though.
~edit: nvm, went through the other replies
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Senua
Member
I do. I don't use PT or anything crazy but I never hit my 16gb limit and I play at 4k (DLSS quality) and 60+fps. Not saying 32 isn't a nice safety net to have but not a necessity from my experience at least...Do you have different experiences?
Hudo
Member
I was also thinking about the longer term, like 4 years out. And with the stupid Pro versions of the consoles looming over the very close horizon, I'd still say go with 32 Gigs. That also accounts for shitty optimization.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
So low resolution.
Games like Returnal run better with 32 and games like Rachet and Clank are stutter free with 64.
I use 64gb's and thus far am stutter free.
Senua
Member
In what world is 4k DLSS quality low resolution? You do come out with some shite. Who games at native 4k on newer titles on PC? It's an absolute waste. But you know what, I'm gonna try native 4k when I get home to see what my memory usage is like
True. Shitty to think PC users need to take borked optimization into account.
I still think 16 to 24 is good enough for the time being and upgrade overtime if necessary. And I say this as someone who used to build overkill PC's 2 years after every consoles generation leap, cranking ever setting up to the max. (Back when these settings had actually meaningful differences)
But stopped doing this with this gen and started upgrading incrementally, after noticing my (at that time) high-end build could still run every current gen title smooth at 1440p, and I feel ultra setting are completely overrated and unnecessary performance sapping without meaningful visual gains. Using optimized settings from DF or Hardware unboxed and the like, is perfectly fine.
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Hudo
Member
Fair enough. I'm just trying to give some advice that I think might be helpful. In the end, it's up to OP to decide what he/she wants do to.
Well, enough with the serious talk, I'll go back to shitposting!
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
It's not 4K.
Astray
Gold Member
Then make sure it can fit your GPU, CPU Cooler etc.
If you can't run a compatibility check then find the case specs and run the check yourself.
What you definitely want to look out for is GPU length, PSU length and where you would install the AiO.
Senua
Member
Did I say it was? Why are you so obtuse lol, try and act like a real person for once.
peish
Member
also get this motherboard, it is better
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Beast of a machine though would look at the price difference to drop to a 7800X3D CPU and bump to at least 6000 MHz RAM and you are golden
Even though are minor tweaks and wont see a big change in performance to what you have picked here
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
So it's not the same resource wise.
Lol for acting pcmr with 16gb btw.
Senua
Member
One day you will look back at how you behaved as a young adult and be very embarrassed, I'm hopeful you will grow one day mate.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I had 16 in my 2010 Asus laptop.
One day you will look back at how you behaved as a young adult and be very embarrassed, I'm hopeful you will grow one day mate.
I am likely older than you.
MikeM
Member
Only major thing is the RAM- up to 6000mhz cl30. If you want, go 7800x3d but you don’t need it as the 7700x is plenty good.
Only thing I don’t like is the 4070ti with 12GB of vram. I went 7900xt because it has 20gb and I would hate to manage vram on such an expensive GPU. Can you wait for the super version?
Only thing I don’t like is the 4070ti with 12GB of vram. I went 7900xt because it has 20gb and I would hate to manage vram on such an expensive GPU. Can you wait for the super version?
Senua
Member
So why do you act like a petulant child still? I will upgrade to 32GB when I see my 16 not being enough, it just hasn't happened yet.I had 16 in my 2010 Asus laptop.
I am likely older than you.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
hemo memo
Gold Member
Okay how is this:
- CASESCougar Duoface Pro RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case Black
- MOTHERBOARDSGigabyte B650 GAMING X AX 1.0 DDR5 AM5
- CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT (CPU)AMD Processor Ryzen 9 7900 - Ryzen 9 12-Core Socket AM5 65W AMD Radeon Graphics Processor -100-100000590BOX
- GRAPHICS PROCESSING UNIT (GPU)ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Trinity OC WHITE
- MEMORYKingston Fury Renegade DDR5 Silver 32GB 6000MT/s DDR5 CL32 DIMM Desktop Gaming Memory Kit of 2 - KF560C32RSK2-32
- SSD M.2Kingston 4TB (4000GB) Fury Renegade SSD M.2 (2280), NVMe, PCIe 4.0, Gen 4x4, Heatsink, 7300MB/s R, 7000MB/s W
- COOLINGNZXT Kraken Elite RGB 360mm - RL-KR36E-B1 – RGB AIO CPU Liquid Cooler – Customizable LCD Display - 3 x F120RGB Core Fans Radiator Fans Black LGA 1700 / AM5 Compatible
- POWER SUPPLY UNITS (PSU)Corsair RM1000x 1000W 80 PLUS Gold Modular Power Supply
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Freeman76
Member
Not my experience with a similar build to his, unless the 7800x3d makes a huge difference that is.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Cyberpower right?
Add extra case fans.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Okay but overall?
delirium trigger
Member
7800x3d>7900
It is the best cpu for gaming, lol.
You can buy a peerless assassin 120 for 35 dollars instead of 250 dollar liquid cooler. Put that money towards a 4080 or put it in your pocket.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
No, especially with a AIO.
hinch7
Member
Yup 7800X3D and forget about upgrades for a while. And true, AIO's are way overkill for this CPU. Especially if just for gaming. And it would actually be quieter to run an air cooler without all the pump noise. Its also set and forget while AIO's only have a limited lifespan. Plus that money can be put towards more and faster RAM and storage space. Where you would actually notice a difference - games aren't getting any smaller. Could also wait out for the 4080 Super since his/her budget is higher now which is rumored to be coming in at $1000.
For the Peerless Assassin, its been recomended a few times and while its a great its been superseeded somewhat by the Phantom Spirit. Comes in at the exact same price point with better thermals, at a lower noise level.
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demigod
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16GB, what year is this? I’m up to 64GB. I do open up a lot of tabs.
Senua
Member
Like I said, once I see my memory limiting my needs I will upgrade, until then it's a waste of money. 64 is overkill though lol damn
darth.shrimp
Member
Well I usually have 200+ tabs open... but I'm not using Chrome.
demented waffle
Member
That is a good PSU, with good efficiency.
850W is a lot for an efficient PSU. We have to consider that when AMD and NVidia post the requirements for their GPUs, they exaggerate, because they know there are people who will pair it with cheap PSUs with efficiency around the 50-60%.
This system will only use around 420W. So with a 850W PSU, he will have a big margin. In fact, he can go with a 650W PSU, with no problem.
Even with a 4090, he would still have a good margin.
PSU efficiency means absolutely dick for the actual power required. You just need good guts and the required amps for the 12v rail basically.
PSU efficiency is AC to DC conversion.
demented waffle
Member
Umm, that's a bad idea as us of several months ago. You're looking at lower than JEDEC specs for that for DDR5...
twilo99
Member
You mean ram speed matters again? I can't keep up
demented waffle
Member
It's been a few months ago, but 4 sticks on AMD or Intel for that matter, was bad. DDR5 that was on that.
demented waffle
Member
Well. Hogwarts gets really shitty if you don't have 25 gb or so of ram. I'm sure there are other games as well. It's not like 2x16 ram is way more expensive than 2x8.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Get a GPU with 16GB vram. Maybe wait for CES and get a look at the 4070 Ti Super. Go with 32GB system ram, and go with a 2TB NVMe that’s faster than 3500MB/s. 1TB ain’t shit and that’s slow for modern SSDs.
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Schmendrick
Member
- If you're not very space restrained always get a big tower. Also forget RGB etc and just go for the case with the best possible airflow. A big case with good airflow and good quality fans is whisper quiet.
- the 7900 is worse for gaming than the x3d. Unless this machine is for heavy productivity use it's a total waste of money.
- If you want to go for heavy overclocking you'd need a custom liquid loop including the GPU. The one component AIO liquid cooling solutions are just expensive nonsense. Unless you are going for benchmark high scores and are ready to invest several hundred bucks extra for a custom solution just forget all about liquid cooling and spend the money for a higher GPU tier f.e.
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I would
With those funds gained
- downgrade the 4070 Ti to a 7800 XT
- remove the 7700x
- downgrade the modular power supply (its easy to burn out your computer with modular)
With those funds gained
- upgrade the memory to 32GB DDR5-6000
- +$10
- upgrade the SSD to 2TB Gen4 (Gen5 is a waste of money for no gaming performance return)
- +$60
- upgrade to an 850watt semi modular power supply like the Thermaltake BM3 850watt (give yourself some headroom)
- -$10
- Upgrade to the 7800 x3d and not the one above (the x3d v-cache only works on 8 cores and nothing more)
- +$70
lachesis
Member
Well, I have similar going on now... Thinking about building a new PC once new 40xx Supers are out and available.
Of course would see how they are priced and actual performance etc - but sounds like 4070 ti super seem to have gained most cuda cores and memory bumps - so if the pricing is reasonable, I am thinking about going with it.
7800x3d seems to be the cpu to go for now for gaming, and AM5 will be compatible with at least another gen…. I am more workstation oriented, so will likely go with 7950x3d for extra cores.
I also find motherboard is pretty important, so I’d say go with one that suits and at least future proofs your need. I chose one with USB4 ports as I will likely keep the machine for at least 5-6 years, and maybe those will be more widely available?
Of course would see how they are priced and actual performance etc - but sounds like 4070 ti super seem to have gained most cuda cores and memory bumps - so if the pricing is reasonable, I am thinking about going with it.
7800x3d seems to be the cpu to go for now for gaming, and AM5 will be compatible with at least another gen…. I am more workstation oriented, so will likely go with 7950x3d for extra cores.
I also find motherboard is pretty important, so I’d say go with one that suits and at least future proofs your need. I chose one with USB4 ports as I will likely keep the machine for at least 5-6 years, and maybe those will be more widely available?
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Zathalus
Member
Yeah, native 4k is mostly pointless these days with how good DLSS is. I only use it on titles that don't have DLSS or games that are not heavy.
I'd rather have a much higher FPS that 4k DLSS quality provides and I have a 4090 and 64GB RAM.
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Senua
Member
Any sane person would, it's just dick swinging immature bullshit with him anyway lol.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Okay ladies and gents,
This what I settled for after a lot of back and forth, and just as what my friend said, don’t get stuck on the consoles mentality (I’ve been playing consoles all my life) as you can always upgrade the parts, and this is by his words “can handle even the most demanding AAA titles”
Components:
Peripherals:
This what I settled for after a lot of back and forth, and just as what my friend said, don’t get stuck on the consoles mentality (I’ve been playing consoles all my life) as you can always upgrade the parts, and this is by his words “can handle even the most demanding AAA titles”
Components:
- Case: CUBE FLOW XL with 6 RGB Fans
- Motherboard: ASUS PRIME B760-PLUS DDR5
- CPU: Intel Core i7-12700F 2.1 GHz 12-Core LGA 1700
- GPU: ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Twin Edge
- Memory: TEAMGROUP DELTA RGB DDR5 16GB (2x8GB) 5200MHz CL40
- SSD: Kingston NV2 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Internal SSD (Up to 3500 MB/s)
- Cooling: DeepCool 360mm LE720 ARGB CPU Liquid Cooler
- PSU: CORSAIR RM750e Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Peripherals:
- Monitor: Acer Nitro VG272U 2k QHD IPS 170Hz 1MS 27"
- Combo: Redragon S117 Gaming Keyboard Mouse
winjer
Gold Member
You choose a worse CPU, than the 7800X3D most people recommended you.
Not only it is slightly slower, but it uses twice the power usage while gaming. And it's on a dead platform, meaning no upgrades going forward.
Worse yet, when people recommended you that you didn't need fast memory for the 7800X3D, that was because of the huge L3 cache that CPU has.
But if you are going Intel, then a 6000 or 7200 MT/s kit is recommended.
Also, you have reduced the PSU specs, while having a CPU that uses up more power. This means you have a shorter margin, and are away from the optimal efficiency for the PSU.