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Analysis: Playstation revenue is 44% higher than Xbox and ABK combined | 104% higher without ABK included.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
sounds about right.
Moriarty1889
Member
Very interesting indeed.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Monopoly averted.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
finally some good news from that TOTOKI GUY
Ar¢tos
Member
Revenue =/= Profit
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
I remember Sony being 2nd place in gaming revenue just behind Tencent. I wonder if they managed to top them during the last quarter.
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Mibu no ookami
Member
Sony is having growing pains.
Xbox isn't growing (organically) and the cost of their operations can't be sustained with their current model.
Two similar problems but not the same problem.
Xbox isn't growing (organically) and the cost of their operations can't be sustained with their current model.
Two similar problems but not the same problem.
Horseganador
Member
Playstation's revenues are incredible, more than 30,000 million in 2023, 10,200 million this last quarter (vs. 7,100 from Xbox + ABK), but what I would like to know are the benefits of both, if Playstation barely reaches 6% on Xbox the losses have to be enormous.
Xbox did some pretty big price cuts on Xbox Series X this holiday too vs Sony taking a $70 hit by including Spiderman 2 .
ChorizoPicozo
Member
there is no way Xbox has been profitqable.
Reaseru
Member
Something tells me that both brands profit difference is even worse than revenue difference.
Just the Activision deal puts the xbox division in the red for years to come. The Xbox board burns money that doesn't belong to them.
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
People will cry about "Get GaaS out of my games" to the ends of the earth, but this is another example of why it's imperative that Sony gets a few going soon.
They are doing very well, but that doesn't always translate to profits. They need reliable consistent software revenue streams for when their single player studios are in between big projects.
It'll take Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, etc, 4-6 years to make a new game. It's going to take a GaaS team a year and a half to create a new expansion, and less than half that to create a new season. Even less to create a bunch of useless cosmetics everyone will buy.
They are doing very well, but that doesn't always translate to profits. They need reliable consistent software revenue streams for when their single player studios are in between big projects.
It'll take Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, etc, 4-6 years to make a new game. It's going to take a GaaS team a year and a half to create a new expansion, and less than half that to create a new season. Even less to create a bunch of useless cosmetics everyone will buy.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I wonder how much of the revenue ia invested into getting all the GaaS titles going.
Didn't a recent slide show that they were going to focus 60% of the investments for Playstation into GaaS?
I assume a lot is shifted towards that.
Astray
Gold Member
Tencent prez was talking about not growing enough in 2023 as well.
There's a growth problem in gaming rn.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Inflation. If people have to choose whether to put inflated food on the table, pay inflated rent, or buy games... they're going to choose the former.
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
What about profit? Are those numbers available?
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
There's a growth problem in general
ChorizoPicozo
Member
that would be even worse for xbox
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
According to the leaked FTC docs Nintendo is 1st in profit, followed by Xbox and PS last.
PlayStation has spent 1.46 times more to make 5.7% less than Xbox.
Good thing PS has all that revenue to fall back on isnt it?
https://www.essentiallysports.com/e...ed-to-xbox-and-nintendo-but-rules-in-revenue/
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Jaybe
Member
No. Microsoft hides nearly every metric relating to their Xbox business.
bender
What time is it?
It's like negative 70 billion
MisterXDTV
Member
So wait a minute, they spent 70 billions to inflate revenue and flex but they are still behind by almost 50%????
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you can tell that from comparing quarterly revenue figures?
ReBurn
Gold Member
I can see why they're focusing on overall revenue as the feather in the earnings report cap. Operating income is not in a great position compared to revenue, first party game revenue is down, and they're not going to hit their sell-through projections after deciding to burn profitability to grow the install base. It's no wonder Sony leadership is talking about how to increase their first party game revenue through a multi-platform strategy. If it weren't for stronger third party game sales they could be in trouble.
Mr Moose
Member
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yep! Natella and Stuart finally took notice. They saw all that revenue ABK was bringing and realized it would be devastating to tie all that exclusively to Xbox.
Sony already significantly mitigated it with a 10 year deal.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Nevermind
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gothmog
Gold Member
They're mostly successful no matter what direction they go in so it's not surprising they're leaning into what is working for them.
My big hope is they play more in the middle area between live service and AAA gaming. Spend more on premium live services that isn't a MTX bonanza and less on AAA.
As if we could tell what the profits at Xbox actually are without the amalgamation and obfuscation they do by throwing what they want together to make things look good
In one day Sony has been more open about their challenges while still having record revenues and sales than Microsoft has been in 20 years about their real success.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
yes.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's not that hard.
Ronin_7
Banned
You're right, Xbox loses billions hence Microsoft refuses to report that division profitability, because it doesn't exist.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
It doesn't help that the games cost more now too, but even worse, a lot of these games are now GAAS which tends to have this effect of making a lot of a user base play just the one game or very few games for a very long time.
And on this thread, those wondering how MS rectifies this? Well, the answer is simple, just release your games on Playstation. Imagine how their revenue would have been if the ABK stuff hadn't come to PlayStation.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Had no idea ABK had been written off the books
digoutyoursoul
Member
Am I missing something? Pardon my stupidity but I don’t get the point
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He autist for Xbox/MS. Then it all makes sense.
Yes, companies want more avenues for revenue and profit, especially ones that are seeing a slowdown or potential for decline.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Xbox are announcing plans to release games on other consoles and they already are releasing games day one PC.
I may of misread his tweet but where is the justification if Sony are not following suit in terms of releasing their games on other consoles? Last time I checked consoles are not PCs.
EruditeHobo
Member
I'm not an MBA or anything... but if one company is getting soundly beaten in revenue and has been spending like crazy in acquisitions or whatever else, seems like the profit side of the picture will necessarily be worse.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Probably something to do with MS being more platform agnostic.
But again, Sony has been putting games on the PC for years now. Unless he is going with the SonyToo angle.