MilkyJoe
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Biomutant will be 4k/60 on XSX, 1440/30 on XSS, 1080/60 on PS5 (technical issues, patch to follow). Current gen info to follow
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assurdum
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N1tr0sOx1d3
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GymWolf, stop taking cheap shots. You’re better than that.
They are asking for £55. Let that sink in. £55, the same as AAA Capcom Resident Evil 8.
If a small indie studio wants to charge £55 AAA pricing, then they need to deliver on their product.
In its current state, I chose not to buy into Biomutant. When it gets fixed, of which we have no idea if it will or when, I may consider purchasing.
That is the issue here not cheap console warrioring.
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GymWolf
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Your was more cheap than mine, don't hide behind a finger my dude.
And i'm paying 36 euro for the game on pc, the best version out there, but i would gladly pay the full price, this is my most hyped game of the year after horizon sequel.
You can't compare insomniac and biomutant devs in any form or shape.
The game can look janky and not as polished as a sony first party but it is a big game with a big map, a lot of abilities, weapons, mounts, a sewer system, underwater section, 60 hours of contents if you do everything and many other stuff, it is in fact a bigger game than anything sony released on ps5 and i'm more happy to pay full price for this one than what i payed for returnal or morales, and i'm not even joking, for me they are delivering in spades.
The matter here is that some people don't wanna admit that sex bc mode is far superior than ps5 bc mode, and i don't even have a horse in this race since i'm a ps5 owner with zero intention of buying a series X.
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ZywyPL
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Exactly, PS fanboys throwing R&C pics in a Biomutant thread just to prove Sony's BC isn't garbage is indeed pathetic.
pasterpl
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To be honest, it really doesnt matter, as a console gamer I want to experience these new games in the best possible version. Based on the recent comparisons Xbox series x seems to be the best choice.
If you like playing last-gen stuff
If you like being outsold 2:1.
I mean Xbox was the best platform last gen right? Couldn't even finish 2nd.
It's all about the games so no Biomutant isn't exactly going to make a ripple is it? The mainstream, who barely notice any of this garbage we argue about, will just want to play the game on whatever platform they prefer. As a former 360 owner I just wish MS would get on with it and give us a AAA exclusive. Not something that's on PC either.
So much salt...why you dont add Kinect to this list of yours...you really are reaching, we are talking about Biomutant and where is the best place to play it and you are talking about console sales, last gen console sales.
Biomutant is a new release, it doesnt have a native next-gen version, so if I want to play that newly released game, the best console to do it now is Xbox series X. Same with Mass Effect LE and quite a few more. These are brand new releases or sometimes brand new games. If you havent noticed we will not be getting a lot of next-gen only titles for quite some time.
N1tr0sOx1d3
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Me too, it’s come at the right time, something different. I’ll be buying, I just want it right straight out of the door.
I’m just cheesed off with the release now and fix later mantra. It’s been going on for far too long.
However I am mindful that I hadn’t given the complexities of COVID a consideration, and have apologised for that in a previous post. It’s remarkable that anyone has released a game over the last few months.
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TrebleShot
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For a gaming enthusiasts forum its incredible to see how many people don't know some of the basic shit about the PS5 BC implementation that even myself a relative casual fan knows about.
- PS4 BC on PS5 uses the native PS4 Pro version/processing. To run the game at higher native res and FR a native port is needed.
- Xbox BC is native for all games, so basically any game running on the XSX is natively upscaled and runs at better FR and res.
None of this should be a surprise.
Shame for the devs as it means more work on PS5.
But shame for XSX since there isn't a series x game.
- PS4 BC on PS5 uses the native PS4 Pro version/processing. To run the game at higher native res and FR a native port is needed.
- Xbox BC is native for all games, so basically any game running on the XSX is natively upscaled and runs at better FR and res.
None of this should be a surprise.
Shame for the devs as it means more work on PS5.
But shame for XSX since there isn't a series x game.
assurdum
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Yes the series X is the best choice for BC games. You actually state the obvious but isn't it exactly a news and it's not just based to the recent comparison. The fact it doesn't matter to you specify they are just BC games, doesn't changes what they are
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GymWolf
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It's a 20 people team, they have no fault if ps5 bc mode is somehow more complicated than the sex one, they probably worked on the current gen console versions until the last moments, the nextgen patch is something that came out later most probably.
They can't bruteforce\resolve problems like ubisoft or ea with their infinite budget (and even these people did some great fuck ups in the past)
I have much more forgiveness for them than for the devs behind returnal who released a kinda buggy game while still having sony money and one single hardware to work on compared to having thq money and 6 hardwere to work on, it is a matter of perspective.
Farawayfromhell
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Daymos
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The game looks great, I'm hyped!!
I don't care about the dumb ps5 vs xbox clickbait title. I'll be buying the game in a year or so on PC when it has been patched and has probably had it's price reduced. The developer is most likely to get a handle on the PC version first and I don't care about ultra high settings.. I'll be playing it at 1080p/60fps.
I don't care about the dumb ps5 vs xbox clickbait title. I'll be buying the game in a year or so on PC when it has been patched and has probably had it's price reduced. The developer is most likely to get a handle on the PC version first and I don't care about ultra high settings.. I'll be playing it at 1080p/60fps.
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assurdum
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Can you give me a list about all the 99% of the multiplat games better on series X which aren't in some way tied to the BC? Because I could swear to have seen around 3-4 games better on series X when BC is not involved.
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GHG
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Topher
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It isn't as good as BC on Xbox.
FranXico
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They already bought a major third party multiplatform publisher just to remove a bunch of franchises from a competing platform. Be happy.
FranXico
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The way the PS4 SDK was designed, it's not possible to inject settings for enhancements to existing binaries. Patches are required to unlock framerate or allow resolution to scale up without affecting performance on the PS4 (Pro).
assurdum
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I thing the argument is not how good BC is it. It's all about how games are originally coded. In a low API hardware doubt you have access to all the same resources as a virtual coded environment specialized in multiplat development.
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xiseerht
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Honestly, this is the most logical example of what is happening . Well done. I also figured that the Series X version is more likely just the Xbox One X version of the game. Running at a dynamic 4k and trying to target 60fps. But will hit a rock solid 4k/60 FPS on the Series X.
ManaByte
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They still could do a XSX native port. But thanks to Smart Delivery...
JackMcGunns
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It was a bit of sarcasm, but I don’t expect an overly sensitive warrior to take it lightly.
GDK is not a low level API, it’s designed to facilitate games across Xbox One, Series S and Series X and even PC.
At the end of the day
Tools matter.
SenjutsuSage
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There we go, that's way better. I'm more likely to trust people who invested money into something rather than someone who just got it for free, but more so for people who are enjoying a game and really giving it a chance. Those reviews matter most. I'll still follow my own opinion and policy, but I trust those types of takes more.
assurdum
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It's really annoying see people like you label the other as warrior when you are one in first line at every battle.
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Holy shit lol!
assurdum
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Doesn't counts. Xbox win. nothing more to say apparently. It happens quite regularly, every second is important before something change.
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GuinGuin
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Even if you have an xbox why play the inferior BC version. Wait a couple of months for the native next gen version which is also coming to Series X and PS5.
Bo_Hazem
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Sacrifices must be made indeed. Would you rather have a better BC and less innovation and potential for next gen gaming, or sacrifice BC "a little" and favor next gen features? I personally give zero fucks to BC, and the majority of gamers don't give a fuck about BC. BC is just good for 1-2 years max into the next gen, then it'll all be just next gen. Won't favor 1-2 years over 5-6 years.
Topher
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yeah but you know what ...at the end of the day what matters are the results. A bit like the launch of the consoles the 12tf of the xsx were mocked because the launch games practically all ran better on the PS5 despite having lower specs. The same is true now, we can talk all day about low level API, tools..and about how the PS5 works, or not but the result is that a new game run in 4k 60 in a console and 1080p in another ... why people should care on how cerny and Sony have developed their BC?, it is simply just much inferior to what the competition proposes. period.
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GuinGuin
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Shhhhhhh. You are interrupting the cadence.
Yeah but
https://www.thqnordic.com/article/biomutant-faq
What platforms will it be available on?
On May 25 2021: PC, PS4, Xbox One
Sometime in the near-ish future: native version for PS5 and Xbox Series S/X
Pull n Pray
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This really resonates with me. I remember playing games like Halo, Morrowind, Fable, KOTOR 1+2, and Jade Empire on the original Xbox. I was having a great time until I came across an article that left me literally shaking. Apparently PS2 was outselling Xbox by a margin of 6 to 1. Suddenly, all those games just weren't fun any more. I was playing on the loser box! I immediately sold my Xbox and all its games to Gamestop, and went back to playing on my PS2. The graphics were shit by comparison, and I didn't find the exclusives as compelling. But goddammit it felt good to be a winner again.
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Riky
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Game is taking too long to download! Too many people are all over it as it seems, initial download 4 hours and full being 14 hours! It should download the whole thing in around 50min for 200Mbps download speed.
You seem pretty keen on The Last Of Us 2 the other day.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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900p~ 60fps should be doable and an option but this dev team isn't huge and has a lot on their hands.
why less innovation? the new Xbox is more powerful than the PS5 and have fantastic bc..you can have both....just saying
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GuinGuin
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Is it? In 8 of 10 Digital Foundry head to heads PS5 came out on top. DMC5 was a tie and RE8 went to Xbox. Aside from RE Engine PS5 looks like the stronger hardware.
yes it is absolutely specs never lie (while the PS5 maintaining an advantage in the I / o). low level API of the PS5 and the more mature tools have made it start a lot ahead
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GuinGuin
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Specs say PS5 has some huge hardware advantages.
Having higher clocks on the GPU gives the PS5 a 20% advantage in triangle rasterization, Culling rate, and pixel fill rate. Not to mention the obvious advantages in having an SSD that is twice as fast and hardware Kraken/Ooodle decompression.
Triangle rasterization
PS5 - 4 x 2.23 = 8.92 BT/s
XSX - 4 x 1.825 = 7.3 BT/s
20% advantage for PS5
Culling rate
PS5 - 8 x 2.23 GHz = 17.84 BT/s
XSX - 8 x 1.825 GHz = 14.6 BT/s
20% advantage for PS5
Pixel fill rate
PS5 - 64 x 2.23 - 142.72 GPixel/s
XSX - 64 x 1.825 - 116.8 GPixel/s
20% advantage for PS5
assurdum
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Prepare to see a Riky laugh emoticon.
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are all advantages which are not worth taking into account when you have a lot of parallelized workload. for this reason all gpu producers are increasing the number of cu's more and more. let's say that I'm very sure that games from next year already will see a clearer line demarcate of xsx advantage and if not, I'm ready for the permaban
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GuinGuin
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Fill rate is a huge advantage when it comes to FPS which is why PS5 holds its frame rate better in the vast majority of titles.
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GuinGuin
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are all advantages which are not worth taking into account when you have a lot of parallelized workload. for this reason all gpu producers are increasing the number of cu's more and more. cmq I'm sure already from next year's games we will see a clear line demarcate. and if not, I'm ready for the permaban
The opposite is true actually. The more the GPU has to communicate internally the more the higher clock rate will improve performance. If anything we will see the gap grow in favor of PS5.
lol no...the clock of the PS5 is there to compensate the very low number of cu's. cmon now imagine the PS5 at 1.8ghz would make people laugh
GPU vendors have turbo clock..and game clock....but also more than double of PS5 cu's
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assurdum
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Well I mean it's not like 52 CUs are there for nothing on series X.
StreetsofBeige
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All speculation.
That's like saying PS5 is more powerful than Xbox Series S and should win by default.
Yet in some of these tests Series S performs better or has better loading time over PS5.
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