Yep. I will be shocked if they add this feature. We got screwed.This is 980 Pro temp test in the PC case.I have a bad feeling about this..
I guess this suggests the cooling fan would have to rev up at points where the maximum temperature are being measured?This is 980 Pro temp test in the PC case.I have a bad feeling about this..
They have to as the next call of duty won't fit on the ps5s ssd.I’m waiting for the “we can’t come to agreements on ssd speed so this feature will never work” as an excuse to NEVER enable this.
The Earth is flat?Is the new summer firmware fan boost just for the ssd? You could almost take it like the fan boost is for summer and the by product is the ssd might not melt anymore.
This is the same insider who had stated SCIE Team Japan will be killed by Sony that turned out to be true.
Hello? Half the planet has already been through the middle of the summer ...Perhaps now (for most consoles), but the summer with 30+ degree room temperature + the SSD could be interesting.
Has Sony killed the dog of this guy or what? Every time there is something on negative about playstation 5 or relative, he is always in first line.Source: https://www.bloomberg.co.jp/news/articles/2021-02-26/QP0U9BDWLU6M01?srnd=cojp-v2
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Hello? Half the planet has already been through the middle of the summer ...
if remember right some of the teardown's did express concern about the expansion SSD running hot, I think it was digital foundry where I first seen it but a couple of others pointed it out
Also, if these drives are lining up to be the same price as the Seagate one from MS, then
That's the price you pay for NMVe speed at 7gb/sec.
You're looking at around $230 for 1TB and $430 for 2TB. It's not a "MS thing" like some try to make it out to be. The technology is still expensive.
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To be honest, it's more the fact there is only a 1TB model. A 500GB @ £120 is much more palatable. I'm guessing if Sony use off the shelf then there will be more choice, but at the cost of the priority lanes (from memory?)
I keep repeating the same question but just interested in knowing how the system interacts with a non-valid m2 ssd.
That's the price you pay for NMVe speed at 7gb/sec.
You're looking at around $230 for 1TB and $430 for 2TB. It's not a "MS thing" like some try to make it out to be. The technology is still expensive.
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Yep. I will be shocked if they add this feature. We got screwed.
It's a standard M.2 port on the bottom of the system. PCIe3 NMVe SSDs don't hit that speed, so you'd need a PCIe4 one.It has been asked many times now, why do you assume 7 GB/s is the minimum speed needed?
It won't even boot to the menu. Tells you to take out the SSD and then restart the system.
Wonder if that continues to be the case, bit shit if so. I can see some people wanting to use that slow as a cold storage device for ps4 game.
My m.2 in my old notebook didn’t have a heatsink or a fan. So it’s fine I guess. It’s away from the gpu and cpu. Maybe a 1 or 2 degree ambient rise if anything. My 360 had screen tearing and my friends didn’t. Wonder if it’ll happen.
30 degree room? Sell the ps5 and buy some a/c for the love of godPerhaps now (for most consoles), but the summer with 30+ degree room temperature + the SSD could be interesting.
I knew I’d come in here and catch the concerned clown and his usual minions doing exactly what they accuse others of doing.
Yeah, but not one that is minimum 7 GB/s or do you have evidence of that minimum speed requirement?It's a standard M.2 port on the bottom of the system. PCIe3 NMVe SSDs don't hit that speed, so you'd need a PCIe4 one.
Wait what? I get this argument if you play your ps5 in a hut, but the temperature at my house is what it is. we keep it on 75 degrees . Only in the winter when it is off does it get colder.Perhaps now (for most consoles), but the summer with 30+ degree room temperature + the SSD could be interesting.
I thought they said 5.5 was the minimum. That meas you can't use a PCIe3 and would need a PCIe4. There's nothing in the middle between those.Yeah, but not one that is minimum 7 GB/s or do you have evidence of that minimum speed requirement?
Embracing the FUD early, I see. You do realize they make SSDs for laptops, right? I have 2 in my laptop right now. Heat is relative when discussing electronics, and both my laptop and the PS5 already have fairly hot components in them. The fan speed will increase because of the SSD bay, but I doubt it's going to be a massive increase in speed, unless they simply designed the SSD bay cooling poorly. Given the size of the vents going into it, I assume that they didn't expect it to generate a massive amount of heat, so I wouldn't expect the fan speed to increase significantly.So the ms solution was a better option??....zero issues with the Seagate slot in stick despite the stupid price
I don't want my ps5 sounding like a hair dryer so I would pay extra for a custom solution that does not make it louder
You don't have smart shift without forward thinking. High clocks were by designed and it wasn't some last minute decision. The flaw with expandable storage similar to XsX is that you have to buy storage device MS gives you. PS5 allows you to choose your own that's compatible.
Series X's storage solution is far more convenient and actually works right now. You can't even upgrade or do shit with PS5's storage yet and when you can it sounds like it will actually change how the system acts. That is fucking horrible design.You don't have smart shift without forward thinking. High clocks were by designed and it wasn't some last minute decision. The flaw with expandable storage similar to XsX is that you have to buy storage device MS gives you. PS5 allows you to choose your own that's compatible.
That's fairly standard. My laptop fan spins up based on the temp of the SSD(s). I can see this with the temps showing in the Samsung Magician app.Makes me think if Sony implemented some S.M.A.R.T. function that they are going to monitor the temp of the drive?
ACs are not that common in europe i guess. I don't have one and i don't know any person that does. You can bet that many people have very hot rooms in summer.Wait what? I get this argument if you play your ps5 in a hut, but the temperature at my house is what it is. we keep it on 75 degrees . Only in the winter when it is off does it get colder.
meditation: maybe I'm pampered by always having air conditioning. /sometimes ignorant.
It is standard on PC for sure, however it was just a question out of curiosity, hell I had PC 15 years ago with S.M.A.R.T. it was first used just for the error detection. It's probably going to be there.That's fairly standard. My laptop fan spins up based on the temp of the SSD(s). I can see this with the temps showing in the Samsung Magician app.
So many people buying $400-500 gaming consoles can't afford a $100-200 window A/C unit? I do find some of the leaps in logic to be amusing. It's essentially saying that people would suffer discomfort so that they can play games. Also, this would be no different than European gamers with gaming PCs and laptops. Since it's the SSD itself that needs to be cooled, the issue is the same regardless of device. Unless SSDs are simply useless in Europe, then I think this is a lot of hot air (pun intended).ACs are not that common in europe i guess. I don't have one and i don't know any person that does. You can bet that many people have very hot rooms in summer.
So the ms solution was a better option??....zero issues with the Seagate slot in stick despite the stupid price
I don't want my ps5 sounding like a hair dryer so I would pay extra for a custom solution that does not make it louder
That's exactly what they've done. SATA doesn't support the minimum drive speed of the PS5 SSD. Only NVME does. So they put in an NVME slot in a bay that supports literally all current M2 card sizes. I think they will have to provide guidance in the form of certification or an approved devices list, because the PS5 SSD speed is faster than the vast majority of SSD drives on the market right now. It's assumed that the Samsung 980 and WD Black drives are fast enough, based on spec, but we can't even be sure that those meet the tolerances required. So you'll be able to use whatever meets the speed requirements, but we don't yet know for certain which drives those are. Sony has yet to provide a list of supported drives. That's why there was no point in making this available on day 1. You'd be surprised how incredibly stupid and unsavvy most people are. Letting people connect 970 or slower drives to a launch PS5 would just result in tears and bad PR.I really don't get how something like this wasn't supported day one. Why not leave it as simple as it was on the Ps4? Just let us swap in whatever storage we want, as long as its at minimum the same speed as the one already in.
I think its situated at a pretty good place, the blades of the fan are pretty wide and acts by shoveling/pushing air down and into the system. There is an opening at the ”top” and ”bottom” of the slot so when the fan shovels air into the system, some air will travel through it and escape at the bottom and from there travel along with the rest of the air to the exhaust.The SSD bay should've been located more at the fan's exhaust rather than the intake, that would solve all the potential APU heat issues. Still, we don't know how much headroom is left, and how much they're going to bump up the fan speed, so who knows, maybe it'll still remain whisper quiet after all, or be barely audible at worst. I personally don't think we will ever experience Pro's jet engine ever again, nowhere near it.
I got some news for you: There are millions of people on earth wothout an ac. I got a 200m² house and could afford it, but windows acs look like shit and they are loud. I can stand 2-3 hot weeks a year. And it's not every year that hot here. I get it if you live in Texas or something like that.So many people buying $400-500 gaming consoles can't afford a $100-200 window A/C unit? I do find some of the leaps in logic to be amusing. It's essentially saying that people would suffer discomfort so that they can play games. Also, this would be no different than European gamers with gaming PCs and laptops. Since it's the SSD itself that needs to be cooled, the issue is the same regardless of device. Unless SSDs are simply useless in Europe, then I think this is a lot of hot air (pun intended).
That's exactly what they've done. SATA doesn't support the minimum drive speed of the PS5 SSD. Only NVME does. So they put in an NVME slot in a bay that supports literally all current M2 card sizes. I think they will have to provide guidance in the form of certification or an approved devices list, because the PS5 SSD speed is faster than the vast majority of SSD drives on the market right now. It's assumed that the Samsung 980 and WD Black drives are fast enough, based on spec, but we can't even be sure that those meet the tolerances required. So you'll be able to use whatever meets the speed requirements, but we don't yet know for certain which drives those are. Sony has yet to provide a list of supported drives. That's why there was no point in making this available on day 1. You'd be surprised how incredibly stupid and unsavvy most people are. Letting people connect 970 or slower drives to a launch PS5 would just result in tears and bad PR.