I would bet money on the ps5 seeing both drives as one to limit confusion with an external drive being attached also. I could be wrongWorst case scenario if it becomes loud you can always move the game you’re playing on the internal SSD and keep the expansion as storage.
Not really better, just different. Like everything about the consoles.So the ms solution was a better option??....zero issues with the Seagate slot in stick despite the stupid price
I don't want my ps5 sounding like a hair dryer so I would pay extra for a custom solution that does not make it louder
That's known as trouble with the curve.Adding support for additional drives will be enabled with a firmware update that also unlocks higher cooling-fan speeds to ensure the console doesn’t overheat
Many places can't fit a window A/C unit for various reasons. I know I can't due to the facade of the building being protected so it can't be changed (100 years old building).So many people buying $400-500 gaming consoles can't afford a $100-200 window A/C unit? I do find some of the leaps in logic to be amusing. It's essentially saying that people would suffer discomfort so that they can play games. Also, this would be no different than European gamers with gaming PCs and laptops. Since it's the SSD itself that needs to be cooled, the issue is the same regardless of device. Unless SSDs are simply useless in Europe, then I think this is a lot of hot air (pun intended).
I lived throughout the state of NY for a few years, and had a/c all the time. And I was born and raised in the tropics. I grew up with just fans, but once you get to the point where you can buy $500 electronic devices, you can afford higher levels of comfort. A window a/c unit might only get used for a month or 2 each year, but it's a godsend during a heat wave. I know most of the world doesn't have a/c, but most of the world also can't afford a Playstation. A PS5 owner complaining that their room will get too hot would be like a computer cafe that has only overhead fans. Even in poor countries, computer/internet cafes still have aircon. Why? They have devices that can't tolerate excessive heat. If you have a PC in your house now, your PS5 will be fine. The PS5 isn't going to need any special climate control that a standard laptop or PC would need. I don't think it's much of a concern.I got some news for you: There are millions of people on earth wothout an ac. I got a 200m² house and could afford it, but windows acs look like shit and they are loud. I can stand 2-3 hot weeks a year. And it's not every year that hot here. I get it if you live in Texas or something like that.
I don't think you'll have an external drive that can support PS5 drive speeds. Not before the generation is over. I feel like just going through a USB controller alone makes that idea unrealistic. So you're dealing with 2 internal drives. You have the hardwired 800GB drive that comes with the PS5, and then you have a drive bay that accepts 1 NVME SSD in the M2 form factor. These range in length, but all current lengths are supported by the drive by in the PS5. Heatsink size would be the bigger question, but I think if you get a drive built for laptops, that you shouldn't have an issue. They're made to run without heatsinks, so they'll definitely fit.So basically we can't swap the original but we can have two internals? Or am I misunderstanding something? If so, thats good. Im not a fan of external drives.
That would still be a complete failure imo. I think the difference in fan speed and noise will be quite minimal in the end. I think the main reason for this whole delay is due to the fact that there are not that many drives to actually test yet. Sony probably want to provide a decent list of compatible drives instead of having people run and buy ones only to realize they bought the wrong ones. Easier to just lock them all out atm and when time comes provide a longer list.Worst case scenario if it becomes loud you can always move the game you’re playing on the internal SSD and keep the expansion as storage.
I think its situated at a pretty good place, the blades of the fan are pretty wide and acts by shoveling/pushing air down and into the system. There is an opening at the ”top” and ”bottom” of the slot so when the fan shovels air into the system, some air will travel through it and escape at the bottom and from there travel along with the rest of the air to the exhaust.
I would bet money on the ps5 seeing both drives as one to limit confusion with an external drive being attached also. I could be wrong
I was never talking about getting problems or having concerns about dying PS5s, just about it getting louder because of the fan curves.I lived throughout the state of NY for a few years, and had a/c all the time. And I was born and raised in the tropics. I grew up with just fans, but once you get to the point where you can buy $500 electronic devices, you can afford higher levels of comfort. A window a/c unit might only get used for a month or 2 each year, but it's a godsend during a heat wave. I know most of the world doesn't have a/c, but most of the world also can't afford a Playstation. A PS5 owner complaining that their room will get too hot would be like a computer cafe that has only overhead fans. Even in poor countries, computer/internet cafes still have aircon. Why? They have devices that can't tolerate excessive heat. If you have a PC in your house now, your PS5 will be fine. The PS5 isn't going to need any special climate control that a standard laptop or PC would need. I don't think it's much of a concern.
Thats trueIt’s certainly possible but I think it’s an option they’d probably want to include at some point for QoL if you ever need to swap the SSD for whatever reason. Otherwise there would be no way to copy around game installs between drives.
That would be bad to the point of unworkable. What happens if I remove the expansion SSD? I loose random games and saves?I would bet money on the ps5 seeing both drives as one to limit confusion with an external drive being attached also. I could be wrong
Praise be to Cerny, the master of noodles and krackens.This sounds like the dumbest execution of expandable storage ever. Doesn't exist for year after launch, and makes the machine louder. Well done sony. Guess those who were complaining about xsx/xsd are eating a big crow sandwhich at this point.
We dont know if it will even effect the noise level to a noticeable degree. I will eat my crow 3 years into the cycle if the price of storage wont be at least 2/3 of the price of the Xbox proprietary solution.This sounds like the dumbest execution of expandable storage ever. Doesn't exist for year after launch, and makes the machine louder. Well done sony. Guess those who were complaining about xsx/xsd are eating a big crow sandwhich at this point.
Yup, the official tear down went over this too. IIRC there was an interview with the guy a few weeks after the teardown. Also, look how big the opening is, large heat sinks on the drive itself might fit. Thats a plus for off the shelf vs proprietary.I think its situated at a pretty good place, the blades of the fan are pretty wide and acts by shoveling/pushing air down and into the system. There is an opening at the ”top” and ”bottom” of the slot so when the fan shovels air into the system, some air will travel through it and escape at the bottom and from there travel along with the rest of the air to the exhaust.
We dont know if it will even effect the noise level to a noticeable degree. I will eat my crow 3 years into the cycle if the price of storage wont be at least 2/3 of the price of the Xbox proprietary solution.
We dont know if it will even effect the noise level to a noticeable degree. I will eat my crow 3 years into the cycle if the price of storage wont be at least 2/3 of the price of the Xbox proprietary solution.
Do you know what exact capacity of cooling the air that travels through the slot provides?NVME gets very hot, and with the speeds they need typically require active cooling. It's going to be tangible.
Xbox is going to be getting new expansion options from different manufacturers driving the price down. Plus we're going to see console revisions by that time anyway
I really hope it has the space to support M.2 with heatsinks, some of those can make a dramatic difference due to the increased surface area.
Haha this... sounds horribleSo it can get louder with the SSD?
This is rather a dumb question considering its not out yet. When it does come available, this question would not be asked.Ok, how do I choose right now?
ACs are not that common in europe i guess. I don't have one and i don't know any person that does. You can bet that many people have very hot rooms in summer.
zero issues with the Seagate slot (...) stupid price
And they're always tucked right in between the CPU heat monster and GPU heat monster in the M2 slot more often than not.Lol that's FUD. There is zero chance Sony designed the PS5 without knowing what the second NVM drive will do.
Everyone knows they generate more heat, I have them in 3 different computers in my home.
This "right now" argument doesn't work because it cannot be used later since it will be compatible soon. You're limited to one type of standard SSD on the XsX while you have way more options on the PS5.Series X's storage solution is far more convenient and actually works right now. You can't even upgrade or do shit with PS5's storage yet and when you can it sounds like it will actually change how the system acts. That is fucking horrible design.
This "right now" argument doesn't work because it cannot be used later since it will be compatible soon. You're limited to one type of standard SSD on the XsX while you have way more options on the PS5.
What, if anything, I would worry about is the SSD itself overheating, since it's enclosed in a plastic coffin and only marginally affected by the fan.
You sir are correctIf I remember correctly there are channels through the "coffin" that directs air flow through it.
This gonna be PS5's achilles heel.
People will want extra storage but not potential of extra fan noise.
maybe they were testing it with newer SSDs and now they know?there's some cerny magic in this design . /s Honestly how is it possible that they didn't realize the heat increase they would need to change the fan speed (probably in addition to generating more noise will it take more watts?)
I don't like the sound of all of this at all..
It probably won’t be as loud as you’re thinking. And definitely not like the PS4. So no, I don’t think people will choose to have less games on their console because of a possibly marginal fan increase.
I don’t have any skin in the game with PS5, but I am curious how their aftermarket m.2 support is. From looking at the port it would seem there’s virtually no airflow to the drive, combined with the shallow space so a heat-sinked drive will not fit and that seems a recipe for disaster.
The Sony one or the gamersnexus one? I just rewatched the Sony one and all they did was open the port and say what it was.This concern was address in the teardown video. Don’t worry.
I was just thinking the same thing, they both have up- and downsides to their respective approach. Im pretty sure Sonys solution will be less expensive in general in a couple of years but the convenience of having compatible drives from the start is a big plus to the Xbox approach.I think it is fair to say there are merits to both MS' and Sony's approach