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Brothers band together against Kerry - by Ann Coulter
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MetatronM said:
Ann Coulter? I'm not even going to click on the link.
mrkapawutzis
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MetatronM said:
Yeah, I saw that. Chris was questioning the validity of the book if the Navy and Kerry's soldiers vouch for him. The author tried to retort that he wasn't given the time to speak and Chris ripped into him. Entertaining stuff.
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HAOHMARU said:
It's about there that I tuned out.
I think the question is, is every person who was in vietnam and/or on a swiftboat qualified to speak to kerry's record simply because they were there? Someone who never saw the man in combat isn't really in a position to call him a liar, it seems to me. Whether he was in 'nam or not.
None of the people who have spoken out were his shipmates. In fact, O'Neill didn't even speak to them in the writing of his book. As O'Neill explains it, the fact that there are 200 people who didn't directly serve alongside him are more qualified to speak than the 10 or so who did (because there are more of them).Thaedolus said:
That's the kind of logic they are working with.
Difference being, one actually has a record which wouldn't get them thrown in jail if they didn't have Daddy to pull strings for him.
Some people are so dumb really. Yes, the fact Kerry is a War hero, isn't the be all and end all of this ellection. There's more important stuff to concentrate on. Bill Clinton wasn't a War hero, and infact AWOL, in comparison to his ellection oponents either, yet alot of those acknowledging that fact would still say he was a good president.
However, you simply can't take away from John Kerry the fact he IS a War hero, and if he wants to add it to his resume, especially when Republican's would want to call him a traitor, and pacifist, you CAN'T take that away from him.
Attempting to take away from the fact that Kerry is a War hero, will just constantly keep bringing the debate back to this issue....and it's battle Republican's simply CAN NOT win. You'd be better off just acknowledging "Yes, he's a war hero" and then adding "but......."
Thaedolus
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Hamfam said:
Difference being, one actually has a record which wouldn't get them thrown in jail if they didn't have Daddy to pull strings for him.
Where'd I go praising Bush? I don't recall him even being mentioned. We're talking about Kerry here. Why is it that any time Kerry gets criticism, Bush is brought up?
I'll pop up where it pleases me. One of the perks.
And rest assured that if Kerry wasn't running on the Democrat ticket, none of this would have been an issue. Politics is fine - it's always been about dirty pool, and Presidential politicking is the dirtiest of all. But for Bush's cronies to lie about Kerry's military record - when Bush himself can't produce proof of his OWN supposed "military service" - makes him the easiest target in the world.
Those in glass houses, etc etc.
And rest assured that if Kerry wasn't running on the Democrat ticket, none of this would have been an issue. Politics is fine - it's always been about dirty pool, and Presidential politicking is the dirtiest of all. But for Bush's cronies to lie about Kerry's military record - when Bush himself can't produce proof of his OWN supposed "military service" - makes him the easiest target in the world.
Those in glass houses, etc etc.
The only reason this is being brought up is because Kerry is running for president. Which is why you don't see a bunch of threads about Bob Kerrey or the Tiger Force or whatever. Kerry and Bush are automatically the context for anything anyone says about them through November, and it's silly to pretend otherwise.
Thaedolus said:
Actually, we have no idea how many people who served in Vietnam think Kerry is or isn't a hero. It's clear that the people who served under him think highly of him, that the army rewarded him for heroic actions at the time he served, and that a group handpicked by his opposition currently think that he isn't. And given that Coulter can't seem to write a single sentence without getting at least one fact wrong, I'd say that her endorsement counts against the book.
And no, Kerry didn't make his service record an issue - vietnam service has been an issue ever since the vets started entering politics, and it will continue to be so until the last of them leaves. And yes, there's also the fact that republicans would love to paint him as weak on defense, as they're still trying to do now.
Dan said:
This made me laugh out loud.
Hey, I think everyone who has ever posted on a message is unfit to be president. My opinion should matter because I've posted on a message board. Never mind that I haven't posted to all of them, or met all the qualified people on all of them. My experience posting on a message board is enough to disqualify all message board candidates.
Oh, wait. That's just stupid.
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Raoul Duke said:
Move to China, they've already got that whole "Communism" thing going over there. Apparently, you'd love it, and it would save you the wasted effort of forcibly changing the minds of half of America.
The Promised One
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Perhaps I'll read the book afterall.
Joe Wilson, a CLOWN???? Yeah, a clown to have not fallen in line with the Bush War Machine. A clown that after revealing to the world that there was no evidence of Iraqi purchases of uranium saw his wife outed as a CIA operative and put her life in danger because of it. BTW, the Senate investigation did NOT expose Wilson as an extremist...WTF.
How in the world do you argue with people who have no regard for the truth.
How in the world do you argue with people who have no regard for the truth.
HAHAHA. Wow, she stoops even lower than the retards on the message boards. All those Democrats locked up exchanging their child pornography.
But seriously, this whole thing is a sham. Ever since Kerry became the face of ex-veterans protesting against Vietnam the vets who were pro-Vietnam have been out to get him. Now they have the opportunity, and they'll make up whatever BS stories they have to discredit the man who did more for the anti-Vietnam movement than perhaps any other veteran. Hasn't changed since the Nixon administration.
The testimony coming from these soldiers is compelling and important. I listened to an account from the gunner on Kerry's boat yesterday. It was quite damning if true.
Its unconscionable how this is being buried and ignored by the media. And uttelry hypocritical for Kerry's team to try to prevent the ads from airing. Where is the outrage about the MoveOn.org distortions? Why aren't the press covering this book like they covered the Richard Clarke book?
I also find it funny how quickly the Sandy Berger case was buried. Thank goodness for the internet.
Its unconscionable how this is being buried and ignored by the media. And uttelry hypocritical for Kerry's team to try to prevent the ads from airing. Where is the outrage about the MoveOn.org distortions? Why aren't the press covering this book like they covered the Richard Clarke book?
I also find it funny how quickly the Sandy Berger case was buried. Thank goodness for the internet.
SolidSnakex
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Makura said:
Atleast he actually went, unlike a certain other person you seem to like to defend.
He dominated the majority of the conversation and compltely pinned her up against a corner.Sirpopopop
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Makura said:
Tell me how did you find out about the Swift Boats group? Through a grassroots campaign funded by the group? No, wait I got it, a little brown teddy bear came to your house yesterday and whispered in your ear, "Psst. Listen to the Swift Boat Veterans expose Kerry's lies!"
Oh yeah let's ignore the fact that the leader of the group has made appearances on various Cable networks too while we're at it.
Didn't the Bush administration try to keep those ads off the air too? Aren't many Republicans up in air calling MoveOn.org a partisan attack on Bush? There's your outrage.
Richard Clarke - Former high ranking administration official.
Ann Coulter - Nutjob.
There's your answer.
I also found it funny how in the beginning of the war, the press would make big Headlines about WMD's being found whenever they investigated a new site, yet almost always a few hours later, the headline would drop and a link confirming that wmd's were not found at the site was often buried deep within the site. Thank goodness for the internet.
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