Ar¢tos
Member
What I don't get is the knitting.
Why knitting of all things?
Is it an ultra niche gay thing?
I'm gay, but apparently not gay enough to understand it.
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Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover - IGN
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Why knitting of all things?
Is it an ultra niche gay thing?
I'm gay, but apparently not gay enough to understand it.
Hawking Radiation
Member
With the production values of Last Of Us 2, HELL YEAH !!
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Sony fully owns the brand and all the properties already.
Of course they don't own the workers but they can decide if some cleaning needs to be done.
splattered
Member
Why are they even "worried" that Sony might fully take over? Activision employees were coming out saying they wanted to be under the MS umbrella. Why fear Sony? I'd think it could be a good thing..
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Alebrije
Member
reinking
Gold Member
It is a take on the situation alright. I bit of a lazy one but what can one expect from someone that makes their living off of riling up fanboys on X?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
graywolf323
Member
good quality journalism from Destin /s
hostile takeover of a company they already fucking own (he has no idea what a hostile takeover actually is…)
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Agreed. It's absolutely horrible to be under the same umbrella that houses studios like Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sony Bend. Absolutely terrible. Those employees are so abused and don't output anything.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
tmlDan
Member
I never advocate for layoffs, but they nearly doubled in size since COVID so its not unexpected.
If they're not gonna make anything new or work faster to make destiny 2 better to increase revenue they deserve the layoffs cause its wasted money. I don't think this is a good thing and its entirely Bungies fault, but Sony is in every right to do so if they take over. As you see, nobody from studios that produced product and generated revenue got laid off.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
that doesnt make sense, as Sony is clearly not control in bungie situation.
And Microsoft had several mismanagement as well.
No wonder you are so interested in Bungie situation, we can see why now.
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semiconscious
Member
'serious'? maybe not so much. but the fact that this 'bunch of crybabies' was on the bungie payroll in the first place, hired to fill positions that'd never existed up till then, & collecting salaries up till now? you gotta admit, that's one successful grift, & one not so flattering take on bungie's 'business' sense...
Physiognomonics
Member
Jimbo's plan to copy Spencer's strategy seems to work pretty well.
gothmog
Gold Member
The problem is that while there may be some truth in here, it's usually heavily biased by cherry picked and dramatic information from people that always feel wronged about pretty much anything. I've been reading articles about my company for years and the truth is usually way different than what it is represented in the media. This is why so many companies have just gone radio silent about these types of hit pieces because you just can't win because it's predicated on a bunch of half truths.
Buggy Loop
Member
“we’ll remain independent “
good quality journalism from Destin /s
hostile takeover of a company they already fucking own (he has no idea what a hostile takeover actually is…)
But but but its brutal!!!
Except for the people whose jobs will be preserved by turning the ship around. But why talk about the positives of better management when painting a negative picture for da clicks, which seems to be the intent IMO?
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BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
I feel bad for those impacted. Layoffs and cost cutting is never fun.
But, they only have themselves to blame. As time went on it felt like Bungie was purposefully making Destiny 2 and its various expansions as consumer unfriendly as possible. They failed to respect their consumers' time and money. I've played Korean grind house MMO's that respected a player's time and effort more than it felt Bungie did when I quit Destiny 2 for good a year ago.
But, they only have themselves to blame. As time went on it felt like Bungie was purposefully making Destiny 2 and its various expansions as consumer unfriendly as possible. They failed to respect their consumers' time and money. I've played Korean grind house MMO's that respected a player's time and effort more than it felt Bungie did when I quit Destiny 2 for good a year ago.
recursive
Member
I agree with you for the most part but as a manager I would rather let knitting and cooking classes get canned than layoff more staff. Unfortunately those in the trenches don't see it that way no matter what. Losing some of the other benefits also probably contributes to it.
SenkiDala
Member
How can some people here see this like a good thing ? It's like those people have never worked before and dunno what that means.
Bad studios management was a MS exclusive before but it seems that Sony is willing to compete in that field too.
Joke aside this sucks and I hope MS is getting better at managing studios and also that Sony won't lose their ability to do great things with their studios. I get they wanted to compete in the GaaS market since that brings tons of money but it looks like they're shit at it.
Bad studios management was a MS exclusive before but it seems that Sony is willing to compete in that field too.
Joke aside this sucks and I hope MS is getting better at managing studios and also that Sony won't lose their ability to do great things with their studios. I get they wanted to compete in the GaaS market since that brings tons of money but it looks like they're shit at it.
Bridges
Member
I don't give a shit about Bungie really but no more New Hire lunches? That's actually insane. It is such an unbelievably miniscule cost to take someone out and buy them a reasonably priced lunch on their first day. Especially if they have a hiring freeze right now anyway, they don't even have new hires to get lunch for!
This really shows how dire of a situation they may be in. Knitting classes and LGBT clubs are all kinda cringe and obviously unnecessary but these are things that keep employees. The little perks that boost morale. Some of what they were doing before sounds excessive but if they won't even buy a lunch that's pretty miserable.
This really shows how dire of a situation they may be in. Knitting classes and LGBT clubs are all kinda cringe and obviously unnecessary but these are things that keep employees. The little perks that boost morale. Some of what they were doing before sounds excessive but if they won't even buy a lunch that's pretty miserable.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Destiny sucks, but i feel bad for the employees. It’s seemed obvious for awhile now that Bungie has shitty executives and top management. Sony hasn’t done anything wrong here except possibly vastly overpay for what will be the husk of a once glorious studio.
The every day grind developers of the games aren’t the ones in charge of monetization and content and release schedule etc etc. That’s all the higher ups who are just looking for ways to keep themselves fat.
The every day grind developers of the games aren’t the ones in charge of monetization and content and release schedule etc etc. That’s all the higher ups who are just looking for ways to keep themselves fat.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
2 scenarios I could easily see happening. Bungie negotiates their way out of Sony’s bosom and sells to Tencent, Amazon, Apple, whoever. Or Sony takes over the company and a ton of the veteran devs who already got their retention bonuses form a splinter studio like what just happened with Rockstar, and Sony is left holding the bag.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
I'm in healthcare IT so we kind of have an unlimited budget. Well I'm exaggerating, but we seriously blow millions each year on fluff for employees. Golf tournaments. Lavish dinners. Renting out entire theaters. Etc.
But even when a new hotshot CTO took over and decided we needed to trim some of the admittingly largesse we were enjoying, we still took out new hires for a two hour lunch. Hell, we even treat our interns who are still in college to a nice lunch at whatever restaurant they want - with the one drink we're allowed at lunch if they're 21.
Barakov
Gold Member
A Halo spiritual successor?
I'd probably be down for that. Only if it wasn't riddled with GAAS crap.
elcapitano
Member
All of this coming out after Sony supposedly taking Budgies opinion on a Naughty Dog game is pretty funny tbh
Sucks for the employees of course but its a lesson for sure.
No studio should be given much of a say in another studio. There isn't only one magic formula after all.
Hopefully Naughty Dog get to release the game they wanted to and hopefully BUngie bounce back soon.
Sucks for the employees of course but its a lesson for sure.
No studio should be given much of a say in another studio. There isn't only one magic formula after all.
Hopefully Naughty Dog get to release the game they wanted to and hopefully BUngie bounce back soon.
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Reallink
Member
Looks to me like they got rid of some absolute bums and are focusing in on people who want to make fun games
Shocking. If you want to be indispensable to a company then maybe your time should be spent harnessing game development skills, not creating little gay clubs
Heart sank when I started reading this, thought Black, Trans, and LatinX™ @ Bungie might be in danger. Hope they're OK.
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ByWatterson
Member
Duh.
Every single person is entitled not just to a job, but to EVERY JOB EVERYWHERE AT ALL TIMES.
calistan
Member
Yeah, this is why there's probably little hope for them. Sony must have done due diligence before acquiring the company, so surely they knew it was in trouble and yet saw something worth spending billions on.
But if all they've got out of the deal is a declining MMO, an unfinished looter shooter with no release date, and half the staff waiting for their severance packages, it really seems like a terrible deal.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
LOL. Looks like Sony snuck in a reverse poison pill clause. Typically poison pills are set by the target in case a bigger authority or company swoops in and tries to take over. In this case, the bigger company (Sony) is the one who set the poison pill and if things go sour they take over! Good job Bungie.
Whatever happened to that "Dont worry gamers, we at Bungie set an iron clad deal where Bungie execs have full control and autonomy". What a bunch of BS that was.
Talk about a country club. Employees even get monthly cooking and knitting classes. Do the employees work for a game company or Martha Stewart International? lol
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ByWatterson
Member
HOT SPECULATION: How much of this has to do with Naughty Dog's enduring power within Sony? What if Bungie shit on Factions, then didn't hit their own targets, and then Naughty Dog lifers, with the constant ear of Sony higher-ups, decided to persuade Sony to move in for the kill?
Like, I know, I know. But I have to believe fucking with Naughty Dog was a big, missed swing at the king, with all the expected consequences.
Like, I know, I know. But I have to believe fucking with Naughty Dog was a big, missed swing at the king, with all the expected consequences.
MLSabre
Member
Sounds like a parasitic pest if you ask me. They want their autonomy and yet they won't put in the work to earn it.
Mibu no ookami
Member
I agree. A Marathon single-player campaign that picks up the lore of the original game would be massive. I'm not saying there can't be multiplayer or a GaaS element, but there should be a single-player campaign.
I think it is a real missed opportunity.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I thought something similar weeks back when Bungie had those Missed Sales Forecasts By 45% threads.
Bungie was hired back in early 2022 to swing their GAAS dicks around campus and when it turns out they shit the bed more than anyone else, the bullseye targets shifted to Bungie.
It's like working with sales people. They all have targets to hit. When the department numbers go sour, it makes sense for account managers doing fine to "Dont look at me VP. I'm hitting my numbers. Go check on Down The Toilet Dave's numbers instead"
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
Sorry Bung, Sony isn't going to save your sorry asses.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The PR at the time of purchase was Bungie execs publicly claiming the deal gave them power to run as a subsidiary with autonomy.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
But they already did for billions of dollars?
ShadyAcshuns
Member
You can't save crazy.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Maybe they did see it coming? Sounds like they're about to take over.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Some kind of autonomy was likely a part of the signed contracts.
midasmulligan
Member
How dare you??