I could see it. He's foreseeing a full on trade war and potential war with China and wants an out.
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China flies nuclear bomber over South China Sea to 'send message' to Donald Trump
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I could see it. He's foreseeing a full on trade war and potential war with China and wants an out.
Audioboxer
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Pretty much, you've gotta laugh at anyone who thinks those posturing around nuclear war are the good guys. Good thing anyway it is most likely that. China knows if it actually started anything it's mutually assured destruction.
A lot of these egotistical psychopaths very much want to stay alive regardless of their threats. America for any mistakes it makes it still a huge fucking power.
On the note of China it's about time America (and others) stops calling Saudi Arabia a fucking ally.
Stand behind in a bunker?
Trump's the strongest diplomat. You wouldn't believe how strong his diplomatic skills are. He's negotiated the best deals. The best!
Sarcasm aside, if Mark Cuban (a fellow billionaire business mogul) simply being in an audience is enough to leave Trump shook, that's all you need to know.
Jack Random
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umm, you know that the US has done similar things, right? This is not a terribly unusual posture.
Audioboxer
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Yeah, it doesn't make it right either. I'm calling people out who cut off their own nose being more concerned about the idiot that is Trump than China being a far bigger asshole here.
DragonSworne
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Imagine Texas breaks away from the US or tries to at least. China gives Texas a call, you don't think the United States would be pissed off?
Probably an h6k variant built in the 90s or even 00s.
Audioboxer
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There's a difference between being diplomatically pissed off and threatening violence/nuclear war. As much as I hate Trump, China can take the dunce cap here.
China is being the asshole for flying an empty jet around?
You realize the "nuclear capable" is news spin here right? Does Fox News report that the US is posturing a nuclear threat by flying C-130s around? No.
Trump dismissed decades of policy that was delicately built in the first place and is ignoring centuries of history on the issue of Taiwan, and is literally attempting to use the one china policy as a trade agreement bargaining chip?
No, trump is the asshole here.
China's being China. It may be overbearing and childish, but that's the reality you have to deal with.
Remember, Russia also sends their nuclear bombers right to the edge of US airspace every once in a while as a demonstration of their strength.
Jesus.
Agreed. I have the feeling people are still kind of giving China a free pass because its a bit of an "unknown".
What kind of comparison is that? C-130s afaik are mainly transport planes whereas the Xian H-6 are nuclear-capable bombers. A comparison would be if the US started flying B1 bombers over the same line.
Audioboxer
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Yeah, and I ain't going to stand with Russia because, Trump. Although you make an interesting point, how would some in here handle that proposal? Trump vs Russia. Yes I know the joke there is Trump is viewed well by Russia, but the principal is threatening violence like an angry child. Whoever does it can bolt. Luckily we know it is just posturing, as I said above mutually assured destruction is all but confirmed for anywhere in the world today that provokes a war over something ridiculous.
China is posturing a threat of violence here. Whether it's nuclear or otherwise - who cares. Non-nuclear war is just as horrific.
I'd actually argue this thread title and linked sources are bordering onessentially fake news, as flying a nuclear capable plane around is conducted by the US and Russia and no one starts saying it's a nuclear threat.
China is no way by flying around a plane capable of dropping a nuclear bomb are they explicitly showing a nuclear level of force.
Such a plane is capable of dropping standard munitions, doing surveillance, refueling other planes, supply runs, etc.
China isn't explicity demonstrating nuclear force. Fox News and the independent are spinning it that way for clicks.
China is no way by flying around a plane capable of dropping a nuclear bomb are they explicitly showing a nuclear level of force.
Such a plane is capable of dropping standard munitions, doing surveillance, refueling other planes, supply runs, etc.
China isn't explicity demonstrating nuclear force. Fox News and the independent are spinning it that way for clicks.
A Fish Aficionado
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chillybright
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I would call the difference between flying an empty jet in their own territory and actually drone striking other countries including citizens for years way more significant.
Point is countries act according to their best interests, no one is good or evil, stop thinking foreign diplomacy like 8-year old playground.
The H6 isn't just a bomber. Article says H6 used to conduct nuclear tests, so has a C-130.
Twitter fingers turn to nuclear triggers
Audioboxer
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Well that is you pretty much attacking Obama, no? The article states this is a threat due to Trump, not Obama.
But yes for what it is worth I think the drone strikes America has been carrying out are largely abhorrent and have not done anywhere near a level of "good" to justify them.
Camp Freddie
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As a fellow Brit, I'm sure you understand that provoking an authoritarian dictatorship over their historical territorial claims on some distant and difficult to defend island is not a recipe for success.
The One China policy was basically a way for China to save face while Taiwan acts as a de facto independent nation. Insulting the Chinese just makes it easier for them to justify annexing Taiwan if Trump goes for a full-scale trade war. While America would arm the Taiwanese, I doubt Trump would ever want to risk American lives to protect them.
The worst part about it is that Trump seems to have done it without any sort of plan other than "LOL, this'll piss off those Chinese and secure my support from the gung ho nutjobs". His, "but she called me!" tweet shows just how pathetic and naive he is.
A Fish Aficionado
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It's the same.
We put our aircraft carriers near the islands as well, to keep pressure on China.
It absolutely is a bomber. According to wikipedia they have roughly 180 Xian H6 (various variants) of which only 10 are tankers, the rest are bombers. So unless they were just casually testing some tanking manevours coincidentially over disputed islands a few days after Trump's tweets, it was very much a "show of force" - just as the actual officials are saying.
Audioboxer
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I suppose you are right! The Twitter wars have commenced though, time to buckle in. I expect a Chinese Twitter account to start shit posting Trump. Unless China has banned Twitter?
No one's standing with China here. We're just adults with a basic understanding of international diplomacy and the state of the world.
chillybright
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I didn't attack anyone because I didn't bring moral grounds into the evaluation of superpower military actions. Only magnitude and intentions matter.
Ray Wonder
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Fuck China, that's some pussy shit. Fucking psychopaths. "Send messages" with nuclear bomber planes. smh.
Yeah a different US plane would probably be a better comparison, but I don't know that we have any tankers that double as bombers?
Not saying it isn't a show of force, but putting nuclear in the headline is sort of click bait imo.
The US actually flies bombers, and drops bombs with them, on other countries, so I'm not sure we really have any moral high ground here. I don't like what china is doing here, but trump absolutely is being an asshole for dismissing the one china policy and attempting to use it as a bargaining chip.
And yeah given the inconsistency in the reporting here I wouldn't be so sure this isn't just a tanker flying around, or just straight up fake news from Fox and the independent linking to Fox.
This was done supposedly before the call with Tawain, so it seems pretty unclear what's going on here.
This article says nuclear-capable bomber. It's a nuclear-capable bomber as far as I can tell. Fake news is fake. It's not real. For this to be fake news, the tweet by Donald Trump has to have never been made and China were to have never flown a bomber at all. Did that happen?
karasu
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The article is spinning that this is related to the call with Taiwan but also that the flight happened before the call.
So yeah, it's clickbait fake news imo.
TheStruggler
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The source they quote says they flew after.
Here's the thread I created about trumps comments on the one china policy.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324415&highlight=china
Edit: it appears the independent just has a typo.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324415&highlight=china
Edit: it appears the independent just has a typo.
KernelPanic
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USA and China getting into conflict would only weaken their respective economies given how closely tied they are.
I wonder which country would benefit from this? Hmmmm
I wonder which country would benefit from this? Hmmmm
chillybright
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But do you have nuclear in your title.
Evil Monkey DTT
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Well I guess we are nuking China, America did a cold war again without even considering the cold part.
Edited my post as it looks like independent just had a typo.
MisterFalcon
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They are also a knock-off of a 1952 Soviet design.
Doesn't Russia do this regularly with NATO airspace?
I don't think China is as short-sighted/ego-driven as Erdogan, they'd probably avoid shooting anything down (US warships have already cruised past those Chinese outposts and China didn't shoot). OTOH that description would fit Trump...
I don't think China is as short-sighted/ego-driven as Erdogan, they'd probably avoid shooting anything down (US warships have already cruised past those Chinese outposts and China didn't shoot). OTOH that description would fit Trump...
Unknown Soldier
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@TheRealDonaldTrump
Today 5 B-2 stealth bombers flew over Beijing and China didn't even realize it! We have the most beautiful and stealthy bombers in the world! Just tremendous levels of stealth!
I am positive Donald Trump thinks it would be fun to have a war. He would get a kick out of telling the generals to do whatever it takes to win. Learning about the victories would thrill him. He could easily ignore the bad news. Casualties would be "tragedies" in that he knows it's important to act upset, but would he actually care? Does he have the empathy necessary to understand what it means to fight in a war? There's no way.
He's not a serious guy and he is going to relish responding to this message with "strength."
He's not a serious guy and he is going to relish responding to this message with "strength."
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