PuppetMaster
Member
We know FOUR things at the very least.
F2P - I'm out
PC only - I'm out
Arena shooter - I'm out
Nexon - I'm out
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Cliffy B's new game is BlueStreak, a sci-fi f2p PC arena shooter with Nexon
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We know FOUR things at the very least.
F2P - I'm out
PC only - I'm out
Arena shooter - I'm out
Nexon - I'm out
I couldn't hear you over this.
Or, so we'll have to sign up for the Nexon servers then?
No thanks, Cliffy. Unless I'm not having to sign up for another F2P service provider that'll have population drop six months/a year later... do it like Path of Exile, where you login via Steam and maybe we'll talk.
Though PoE is getting the same population drop. :/
Nexon is the only really bad item here. But yeah Nexon is pretty bad.
Eh, I wouldn't look into that aspect too much. With this and Dirty Bomb in their portfolio, I think it displays an attempt to capture an audience that is otherwise a diaspora.
I think the reaction here is bordering on circlejerk. The console guys being aggro makes sense. The anti F2P guys need to get their heads on straight. F2P is the future, especially of online only games. Parterning with Nexon probably dooms this game but I suspect most people spewing venom don't even know about Nexon. They see it's a PC F2P arena shooter and are mad and I'm like what did you think Clifford was going to make? Jazz Jackrabbit Isometric Adventure Game?
Karsticles
Member
BlueStreak is such an odd name. I keep thinking "BrownStreak"...
Sit at a computer and watch someone else sit at a computer.Nexon already spending money.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Why are you in this thread then?
An arena pc shooter is exactly what a lot of people want...
There are no good arena shooters anymore other than quake live and maybe warsow (both of which were released ages ago)
What did you want then? Another 3rd person covershootbang for the consoles like gears of war? Because there aren't a million of those already...
OT: Nexon has published some f2p games with fairly benign f2p systems
VIndictus EU didn't nickle and dime people as far as I remember, there was a bag expansion that gave you all the bag space you could ever need and no ability to buy power or anything.
There was lots of underwear to buy though
Dirty bomb seems to have the league of legends f2p system (unlock the other heroes either ingame or buy them outright + buy cosmetics)
There's like 5 f2p tiers from benign to EA evil.
1.: no gameplay or mechanics or convenience is locked behind grinding or paying, it's simply a full free game with cosmetics being sold
I only know of dota2 being like this
2. there is some grind or minor inconvenience but it's behind a small paywall, you can essentially buy a full version that isn't arbitrarily crippled in any way game for little money (the price of a regular game or less)
alternatively you can unlock the full game for a small fee
e.g tribes: ascend, runescape , vindictus (nexon game)
3: there is a lot of grind and locked out content , these games can be a massive moneypit if you want the full game, but you can still over time access all the content and there may be rotations to give you access to some of the paywall content.
These games can still be played without spending money, but would undoubtably be better without the f2p shit.
e.g world of tanks (huge moneypit game at the high level), league of legends (just a huge timesink to unlock the heroes)
4.
You can buy power, you can't access content without paying, the game is designed around whales dumping money into it while the rest of the userbase is only tolerated to give the whales someone to play against. Their enjoyment is of no interest to the developer.
e.g battlefield p4f and basically 95 percent of f2p games out there on pc and some of the mobile stuff
5.they don't even bother with game mechanics , the game is just a big compulsion loop with energy bars and timers and is nothing but a skinnerbox designed to farm its players
e.g facebook games, 90+percent of mobile games
The more recent nexon games I know of fall into the nr 2 category , which isn't bad.
Their older games were mostly in the 3-4 category
As for cliffy's game
An arena shooter without mod support and community made maps is not going to last, with it being f2p that is most likely already out of the window.
It should never have any sort of grind or unlocks, quake &co are good games because they are pure unadultered gameplay, there is no room for gun attachments or whatever other f2p garbage they'll do in a game like this
You need dedicated servers (obviously), with a high tick rate (obviously) and a proper server browser. Dirty bomb has these so hopefully so should his game.
Who else is working on this besides him though? Anyone from the original UT team? Who is designing the maps? What engine will they use (what engine CAN they use since they all have such pathetic netcode and/or input code now)
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
This exact thing earns people millions in ad revenue
Although I suppose context is everything
ComputerMKII
Banned
Amazeballs
Member
Come out of retirement only to sign a Faustian bargain.
Industries run on misleading information and psychological tricks should not have this benefit. Money spent during moments of weakness should not count as "votes." It doesn't wash.
Industries run on misleading information and psychological tricks should not have this benefit. Money spent during moments of weakness should not count as "votes." It doesn't wash.
Acquiescence
Member
Yeah really - he couldn't have come out of retirement to work on something more underwhelming. I can't even muster up the motivation to shrug.
dont you watch fg streams
SirMossyBloke
Member
Something original? He sees himself as king shit for a reason.
-MD-
Member
It's an arena shooter.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
This is making me throw up, tt's been a long time since I last saw a meme comic.
-MD-
Member
At least it has accuracy going for it.
I could just as easily say that a 60$ game means a 5-8 hour long game for a full price; that it's going to be padded and bolstered; that it's going to have exclusive content split across retailers and platforms; that it will have overpriced DLC; that it's MP going to be splintered by paid map-packs and so on and so on.
This is exactly what I wanted him to do: a f2p arena shooter. Anything else (except a new Jazz Jackrabbit) would have been a disappointment to me.
Way more than that. They're twitch base games that require no strategy and aren't awesome and realistic.
I'm kidding. Q3A, Tribes, and Warsow for life.
Exploratory
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Teknopathetic
Member
"Halo?"
He specified "good."
He specified "good."
Grew up playing arena shooters. Controllers are anathema to me. And I did specify CA. Halo is not an arena game.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Halo is not an arena game."
I partially disagree with this. Halo 1 had a lot of the same trappings as an Arena Shooter; weapon pickups, powerups, everyone starting completely equal in weapons/health, etc.
It's just not a *good* Arena shooter.
I partially disagree with this. Halo 1 had a lot of the same trappings as an Arena Shooter; weapon pickups, powerups, everyone starting completely equal in weapons/health, etc.
It's just not a *good* Arena shooter.
Exploratory
Banned
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox/halo-2
I don't get it.
I grew up playing arena shooters as well. How is Halo not an arena shooter? I mean it depends on which you play but Halo 1/2/3/2A seem like arena shooters to me.
Edit: Am I misinformed on what an arena shooter is? If so please explain but I thought it was an FPS with equal starts, power ups, no ADS etc.
angular graphics
Banned
Sounds alright.
Syphon Filter
Member
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox/halo-2
I don't get it.
I grew up playing arena shooters as well. How is Halo not an arena shooter? I mean it depends on which you play but Halo 1/2/3/2A seem like arena shooters to me.
Yea they are but it certainly is more than that. It's slow paced and not twitchy.
I don't have consoles and can't play shooters with a gamepad, I've tried but I hate aiming with analog sticks.
Also for what I've seen Halo looks too slow compared to Q3 or UT.
Amazeballs
Member
Halo (sans 4) is closer to an arena shooter than something like CoD, but the two weapon weapon limit, regenerating health, and slower/less technical movement make it pretty different from the Quake/Unreal games that people typically use the term to talk about.
You might want to rethink your ideas of what an arena shooter is and if you have ever played one. I have yet to play a console arena shooter that compares to the experience of one developed for the PC. Prime example would be the shambles of UT3. If you want it to work on both, you have to compromise on both. When ever they let a mouse loose on a console or a controller with similar accurate, sensitive, velocity based control, you'd great arena shooters on that platform.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Prime example would be the shambles of UT3."
Mechanically, UT3 is as good as any other UT game, though. The problem with UT3 wasn't the gameplay.
Mechanically, UT3 is as good as any other UT game, though. The problem with UT3 wasn't the gameplay.
Yep, this exactly.
The two weapon limit thing is the biggie for me. That changes the entire way the game works. You're limited to just a few styles of play at any given moment, whereas with an arena shooter, you have to be master of them all at all times.
Memorabilia
Member
This sounds...boring as hell. Yawn.
And F2P? Nope.
And F2P? Nope.
Dream Wanderer
Neo Member
1) Reputation isn't totally shoddy. They're planning good things for Dirty Bomb, and Vindictus wasn't bad F2P.
2) You can swap out, "how can there be a defense force", with, "how can there be an attack force", and your point remains valid.
But to answer your question directly, fans of the Best FPS** Genre have been craving something for a long time. We're a neglected, highly competitive, and very passionate bunch.
**This is objective.***
***Not really.
Syphon Filter
Member
There should not be an attack force either when we don't know nothing about the game itself or the model style.