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Danteyke223
Member
UK government decided to ask for more tests when travelling in to the UK. Even though I'm double jabbed- X-mas holiday cancelled. Covid's bullshit at this point
funkygunther
Banned
I’m not convinced entry requirements are much more than political posturing but since they’re there why can’t you get tested?
Danteyke223
Member
Cause they keep raising the price on PCR test and moving goalposts constantly.
funkygunther
Banned
fair enough, PCR tests are expensive and I‘ve avoided travelling overseas for the past two years anyway just in case rules change in any of the countries…hopefully by spring next year the UK entry rules will be loosened again
Danteyke223
Member
Initially it was 65 gbp to get tested before going out, now it's going out and also going back needs seperate testing. I still think they'll block traveling before x-mas anyway at this point
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I’m planning on flying back to Australia in the new year, so I’ll basically be fucking bankrupt with all the PCR tests I’ll have to take to get back into Queensland 
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I got a booster , my kids got covid at school and now me and my wife who are both vaccinated and recent got boosters now have it. Having no taste isn’t fun. Though I’m sure it would be worse without being vaccinated it’s definitely not a fool proof defense.Just got booster jab.
Come at me super-covid.
funkygunther
Banned
prinz_valium
Member
It's just 1 month, but I guess i can already quote this.
And I'll gladly quote it again next year
Physiognomonics
Member
From Norman Fenton, professor of risk information management (statistician) at a University of London. They analysed available ONS data:
"Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness"
x: weeks after 1st shot, y: mortality rate
probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com
"Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness"
x: weeks after 1st shot, y: mortality rate
Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness
24 Dec Update: The new ONS report has serious anomalies 5 Dec Update : Norman Fenton was interviewed about this work on the Maajid Nawaz ...
probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com
Xdrive05
Member
So the latest hot news over on the coronavirus subreddit (yeah, I know) is that Omicron appears to be about three times more infectious (!) but way less virulent at the same time. The narrative goes that this is reason for hope, because it may crowd out Delta with a less dangerous disease.
So then Omicron may end up acting as a natural vaccine in a sense; enough people will catch it that you'll get to a herd immunity situation, and it should also do less damage than had they caught Delta. Supposedly this is how the Spanish flu died off. It evolved into a more infectious but less deadly variant.
Normal caveats apply - still too soon to know for sure, small sample sizes right now, we still don't know if long covid is a concern with Omicron, etc.
So then Omicron may end up acting as a natural vaccine in a sense; enough people will catch it that you'll get to a herd immunity situation, and it should also do less damage than had they caught Delta. Supposedly this is how the Spanish flu died off. It evolved into a more infectious but less deadly variant.
Normal caveats apply - still too soon to know for sure, small sample sizes right now, we still don't know if long covid is a concern with Omicron, etc.
QSD
Member
From Norman Fenton, professor of risk information management (statistician) at a University of London. They analysed available ONS data:
"Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness"
x: weeks after 1st shot, y: mortality rate
Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness
24 Dec Update: The new ONS report has serious anomalies 5 Dec Update : Norman Fenton was interviewed about this work on the Maajid Nawaz ...
Hmmm although this blog is ostensably about 'probability and risk' ('Improving public understanding of probability and risk with special emphasis on its application to the law. Why Bayes theorem and Bayesian networks are needed') in fact just about all of the blog entries are not about statistical theory, but rather about how vaccines are bad.
funkygunther
Banned
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's a little suspicious when their guy says, "The data clearly shows that vaccines work, but if we squint our eyes and do a bunch of other calculations that may or may not be relevant we can see increased mortality". Their way of data analysis looks overly convoluted, but I can't rule out the possibility that I just don't know what they're talking about. My initial hunch says that they are unintentionally (or intentionally?) smuggling in bias by comparing numbers of a universe where COVID exists and where everyone will eventually be exposed to it vs a world where COVID doesn't exist yet.From Norman Fenton, professor of risk information management (statistician) at a University of London. They analysed available ONS data:
"Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness"
x: weeks after 1st shot, y: mortality rate
Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness
24 Dec Update: The new ONS report has serious anomalies 5 Dec Update : Norman Fenton was interviewed about this work on the Maajid Nawaz ...
So where is this "paper" being published, other than on a blog post?From Norman Fenton, professor of risk information management (statistician) at a University of London. They analysed available ONS data:
"Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness"
x: weeks after 1st shot, y: mortality rate
Possible systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status raises concerns about claims of Covid-19 vaccination effectiveness
24 Dec Update: The new ONS report has serious anomalies 5 Dec Update : Norman Fenton was interviewed about this work on the Maajid Nawaz ...
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Vaccination does not prevent you from not getting COVID. You might not even have symptoms and be vaccinated 100 times, but your plans will collapse if the test shows that you have COVID.
So the virus evolves into more infectious but less deadly (just like usual). News at 11.
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Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
That’s a deltoid that’s hard to miss…
T8SC
Gold Member
Cyberpunkd
Member
Jesus Christ, the whole thing is embarrassing for the French - just fucking kick them out of DOM-TOM so we do not need to be associated with this shit. We still have a lot of meaningless islands to feel important.
arkhamguy123
Member
Concerning but it's less dangerous? That's puzzling to me.
Accept its not , South Africa is preparing for more hospitalization, you can only start to see the impact when this starts to spread .. but than it’s to late .. donuts better to start measures early .
just like the delta and the version s before it, because it spreads first in the younger ages , it can first look it’s milder …
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Physiognomonics
Member
It's a lie. According to their own internal data about side-effects, their vaccine caused about 1200 death in the first few months around the world (the number of doses even estimated is not disclosed in the confidential report they were forced to publish).
MisterFalcon
Member
You could dig into the numbers and find that out of 10 million people who got vaccinated, 3 died in an accident on the way to or from the vaccination site. While out of 10 million others who did not get vaccinated, no one died traveling to or from the vaccination they did not get.
An infinitely larger risk for vaccinated people.
Cyberpunkd
Member
From the second page:
Several studies of vaccine effectiveness have been conducted in the UK which indicate that 2 doses of vaccine are between 65 and 95% effective at preventing symptomatic disease with COVID-19 with the Delta variant, with higher levels of protection against severe disease including hospitalisation and death. There is some evidence of waning of protection against infection and symptomatic disease over time, though protection against severe disease remains high in most groups at least 5 months after the second dose.
Antivaxxers fucking love ‘AHA’ moments, let’s just forget the context.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Thats why I put him back on ignore. He is just picking up from where he left off before.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Yeah. Same here. The ongoing and blatant misinformation campaign is extremely tiresome.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I'm someone who has been in the middle on mandates. I'm against federal mandates, but I support businesses and institutions implementing them because they should have the right to want to feel safe or do what they want.
And I'm not even someone who thinks all federal mandates are done for power, I just think they're unjust and hurt more than they help.
With that said though, if COVID turns out to be endemic, I'm even more against federal mandates. You can't have a large segment of the population barred from public life in perpetuity. There has to be a point where enough is enough. And if variants keep popping up, it can't be 2024 where people still aren't allowed to go places. I really worry about ramifications of it all.
And I'm not even someone who thinks all federal mandates are done for power, I just think they're unjust and hurt more than they help.
With that said though, if COVID turns out to be endemic, I'm even more against federal mandates. You can't have a large segment of the population barred from public life in perpetuity. There has to be a point where enough is enough. And if variants keep popping up, it can't be 2024 where people still aren't allowed to go places. I really worry about ramifications of it all.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
People are allowed to go anywhere. They just have to go to their local pharmacy at any time and get a free and safe vaccine that can not only save their life, but also potentially save other people's lives as well.
This isn't difficult.
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ClanOfNone
Member
Whelp, the reaction was the same, seemed to last a little less longer this go round but it was still 36 hours of misery.
Has any research been done as to why some react so badly to the vaccine while others have zero side effects? I don't remember these types of reactions from the multitudes of other vaccines that I've had.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
It's not even consistent. A friend at work had no issues with the vaccine, but got hit with nausea when he got his booster. His wife had the opposite reaction.
Worth it though.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
It's not that simple. There's no logical reason someone who caught COVID in September should be barred from public life. And someone vaccinated in January isn't. When the person in September is less contagious and more protected. And there are people who can't get the vaccines for medical reasons. Rare, but they exist. None of the above people should be barred from public life. It's wrong.
And hell, even people who just don't want it. If these mandates are still going on years down the road, it's still wrong. Because eventually you won't be considered vaccinated until you get your booster. And eventually you know everyone is going to have to get a booster every 6 months(or less depending on variants) to be considered vaccinated. It's untenable. And all this for a disease that is serious, but isn't smallpox or the plague. And there's no evidence whatsoever the mandates have stopped any breakouts at all with COVID.
It's all so gross. You'd honestly be ok if in 2025 someone who didn't get the vaccine still wasn't allowed to go to a mall to buy clothes?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Unvaccinated people are not barred from going to the mall. Jesus Christ. All that businesses ask for is that if you are an idiot and haven't gotten the vaccine for some stupid reason then they want you to wear a mask. They don't even check for vaccination status if you are flying within the US. I flew from Texas to Oklahoma and back last month. Not once did I even get asked if I had been vaccinated. I just had to wear a mask within the airport and while I was on the flight.
This fairy tale of the unvaccinated being treated terribly and have their rights taken away needs to stop.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
It's not ubiquitous, but what prompted my initial post was this:
And I do believe strongly more cities will do this.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Even if some do the majority will not. And if you happen to live in a place that does then the vaccine is readily available, safe, and free. There is no valid excuse for not taking it besides medical reasons. And no it is not unconstitutional or illegal to have such mandates. There is precedent for all of this.
There is no longer any excuses for refusing the vaccine at this point aside from medical reasons. Beyond that it is just simple stubborn ignorance at this point.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Im pretty much in the same boat, but I find it infuriating that people refuse to get vaccinated without a good reason. I don't want federal mandates, but they really shouldn't even need to be talked about, and I blame the anti-vaxxers for making them a possibility.
It's like the jackasses with their fake service dogs making life that much more difficult for people with a real need for a service animal and creating a stigma about them.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
The question isn't is it constitutional. It's do the ends justify the means. Or will it do more good than it does harm. I don't believe the mandates will. I don't think they're going to have that much of an impact on COVID spread, but I do believe in a variety of other areas they will have a negative impact on our society. I think however many years from now we'll look back on the federal mandates globally as something that was a major mistake and regret it.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The vaccine literally saves lives. So yes it does more good than harm I would say. Unless you want to try and convince me there a big downside to saving lives?
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I said mandates, not the vaccine. The vaccine saves lives, but I don't believe enforcing federal mandates is going to have a noticeable impact on COVID spread. There's been no evidence that it has. There's been surges in cities and countries that have strict mandates. We've seen no significant drops in COVID spread in regions that have mandates as far as I can tell. I've looked around and found no evidence of it. If there was any indication that mandates would wipe COVID out flat, then I may even change my opinion on it, but it doesn't exist.
Cases are rising across the country right now, many in states that have mandates. They aren't doing anything positive. I think the reason is because for mandates to have any significant impact, they need to be extreme, like parts of Australia extreme, which the US obviously isn't going to do, because that's authoritarian. Most people have already made up their minds on the vaccine, so it isn't going to make much of a difference. And COVID can still spread with those vaccinated.
And with individual businsesses and institutions doing their own mandates independently... with masks and still a lot of people vaccinated, federal mandates aren't really necessary.
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KrakenIPA
Member
I don't want to derail discussion, but I gotta say that this is an interesting parallel. The slow creep of stretching the definition of 'service animal' has quietly been ramping up over the last decade(?), and it's a subject that deserves attention.
Honestly I hadn't seen a side-by-side viewpoint (in regards to vaccines) brought up like this before.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Wait so you don't think the mandates that are incentivizing people to get the Covid vaccine that has been scientifically proven to be effective against the spread of Covid and helps reduce the number of deaths related to Covid will not help with the cost and spread of Covid?
What? That makes no sense at all. If more people are getting the vaccine then that helps against the fight against Covid and the damage it can do. That is just a simple fact.
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