CormacMcNulty
Banned
Cops spawn out of thin air. NPC AI is non existent. Can't interact with simple foodstalls and arcade machines. So much for the most alive open world ever.
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Komatsu
Member
Piss-your-pants hilarious. Recommend it as well.
IgnotumCL
Member
IgnotumCL
Member
vpance
Member
Maybe they were wearing invisible camo... waiting.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
there is no way it'd have been possible to make every building accesible. you had severely unrealistic expectations thinking that.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
It's not Shenmue, man, GTA5 didn't exactly let you chat up random NPCs and eat hotdogs and shit. I think people were expecting too much.
The cop thing is funny though.
dorkimoe
Member
Why did they even bother lol
Loostreaks
Member
I've no problem with npcs not having some complex daily life routines...does anyone even notice this? In a game of this size that would take a boatload of work for little benefit. Hell, that gym area outside of V's place had more people than almost entire Bethesda city. In the end, devs have to prioritize what fits their design.
It's better they improve their pathfinding AI, fix some animations ( some are missing lip sync animations), add some reactivity to player's actions ( like running into them, drawing a gun, etc). Some interaction with the world, like ordering food, sitting on a chair, would've also helped. This part is something CDPR is lagging behind.
And driving controls needs some improvement ( on pc, m+k, at least)..there is a good sense of weight with vehicles, but controls are way too sensitive.
It's better they improve their pathfinding AI, fix some animations ( some are missing lip sync animations), add some reactivity to player's actions ( like running into them, drawing a gun, etc). Some interaction with the world, like ordering food, sitting on a chair, would've also helped. This part is something CDPR is lagging behind.
And driving controls needs some improvement ( on pc, m+k, at least)..there is a good sense of weight with vehicles, but controls are way too sensitive.
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SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Bug or feature?
BEATORICHEEEEEE
Neo Member
NPCs look so good, I fucking love the first person camera, it's so immersive.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I just got this beauty
Hot damn
CormacMcNulty
Banned
GTAV is also a PS3/X360 game. I think we can expect more for a game made for better hardware and which was touted as the most alive open world game ever. Seriously, cops can't follow you for 100 meters because they can't do basic pathfinding. This is ridiculous.
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John2290
Member
What do they gain from lying about 2060 and 2070 cards? but especially, what do they gain from lying about the 1080 cards and under? I find it hard to believe if they were trying to gain views of the back of the game they would go so low. Seems much more likely that the game is less optimized than Crysis.
mr.dilya
Banned
Its fine and it gets better once you buff your weapons...people forget this is an rpg.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
It's funny a few months ago, people were talking about this game being downgraded like Witcher 3. Instead it seems like they deliberately held back in the promotional materials so when the real game came out people would still be floored.
azz0r
Banned
The main story is so good, the voice acting is top notch and the missions are pretty diverse and well laid out. The writing is really well done and believable, the. conversation choices are great.
The UI is a bit of a mess, and there are some random button choices that go against the rest of the games norms that make it worse. I think giving some colour to the interface for different types of missions would make it far easier to understand.
Other than that, it's hard crashed randomly 5 times, I've had missions glitch out (drones going under the road, ai companion driving in circles infinitely), I've had random deaths, random gravity throws to death, random speech trees breaking and running parallel), random invisible cars popping in.
and I still love it.
The UI is a bit of a mess, and there are some random button choices that go against the rest of the games norms that make it worse. I think giving some colour to the interface for different types of missions would make it far easier to understand.
Other than that, it's hard crashed randomly 5 times, I've had missions glitch out (drones going under the road, ai companion driving in circles infinitely), I've had random deaths, random gravity throws to death, random speech trees breaking and running parallel), random invisible cars popping in.
and I still love it.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
This stuff isn't a tech issue, it's just a scope issue. GTA5 might be old but it's a game that cost hundreds of millions to develop and this game has a bigger, denser, more detailed city than that did.
The AI does need work, I'm not gonna lie about that. I mean it's an RPG so it's not the focus but yeah.
I'm starting to think the world is just a folly, looks nice on the surface but scratch that thin veneer off and it's not actually that good, along with the terrible and in some cases non existent AI, many important NPC's are also ghosts that you can walk through.
It's just so jarring, I can't get immersed in this world.
It's just so jarring, I can't get immersed in this world.
captainnapalm
Member
This game was never supposed to a GTA-like experience, but maybe it's CDPR's fault for making people think that it would be, because now people are expecting to be able to cause plenty of emergent chaos in the open world and play cops and robbers and have car chases and NPCs that react to this stuff.
This is a story-driven immersive sim. The open-world elements here basically serve as a backdrop for the stories and quests. They're there to create the atmosphere of a big city. Even the driving is more for atmosphere than the kind of playground for emergent chaos you have in GTA games.
This is a story-driven immersive sim. The open-world elements here basically serve as a backdrop for the stories and quests. They're there to create the atmosphere of a big city. Even the driving is more for atmosphere than the kind of playground for emergent chaos you have in GTA games.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Man I can't tell what you're talking about GTA games haven't been about emergent chaos since San Andreas. I would call four and five absolutely immersive sims like this I would also say they have cities that are more there for atmosphere. Red Dead 2 in particular is like this.
Luipadre
Member
NPCs look so good, I fucking love the first person camera, it's so immersive.
The sharpness and details... meanwhile on console we are stuck with PS3 era IQ
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In Your Vase
Member
I noticed Metacritic actually is preventing User Reviews out of the gate - I didn't know they could gate reviews that way (I don't object considering how big Cyberpunk is, I just wonder how CDPR managed that, since I wasn't aware of any other game that allowed that).
Guess I'll check back at noon today!
Guess I'll check back at noon today!
Explosive Zombie
Banned
It's probably because of what happened with last of us 2
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
if you can get in it should be clearly hackable or say you need certain level of skills (to pull it open for example).
for example i done a gig at a hotel but didn't have enough stats to open the door. i had to climb up from the floor below and break in. a door down below the hotel was locked but i managed to hack in. there was another locked door but no way to get in.
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Had a 2hrs session last night after work (I finished work at 10pm) Just finished the Biochip mission involving a Penthouse. Wow, such an awesome mission. I was so wrapped up in it I actually forgot I was playing an open world game and the path the mission took was awesome. All up that mission including the set up must've taken me a few hours. I like how you get experience points for which style you're playing so you can try and stick to one style or mix it up.
From what I've played so far I can't give this enough praise. I cannot believe how much it has exceeded my expectations. Even going first person as opposed to third I was very skeptical but it plays so well. Shame I'll only get to play it during the evening's after the family has gone to bed now the missus and kids are on holidays so it's headphones for me instead of home theater.
From what I've played so far I can't give this enough praise. I cannot believe how much it has exceeded my expectations. Even going first person as opposed to third I was very skeptical but it plays so well. Shame I'll only get to play it during the evening's after the family has gone to bed now the missus and kids are on holidays so it's headphones for me instead of home theater.
DF mentioned in their PS4 base Vs Pro video that there is a spot in the city where the frames takes a hit and it's the same place every time, think it hit 15fps. It's by Tom's Diner.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
i just finished that mission. it was a load of fun but the ending sucked (not quality wise but emotionally). well, i saved just before going into to see Dex after getting out the car
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hemo memo
Gold Member
Rockstar truly on another level in terms of open-world game design.
captainnapalm
Member
GTA IV and V are not immersive sims and they do still have very complex AI systems for causing open-world chaos. So I'm afraid you're wrong.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
holy shit what a difference.
when they said "work in progress - does not represent the final look of the game" i was expecting it to look worse but they fucking made it so much better.
CormacMcNulty
Banned
I went in this game expecting a Fallout New Vegas or Deus Ex like experience and so far the game has delivered but the game has too many problems on base level mechanics, simple stuff were present in even PS2 and PS3 era titles. A more interactive and reactive world would do wonders to this game. I simply don't want this games feel like a giant backdrop.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
This argument seems to just boil down to the idea that if the AI was more complex in cyberpunk it suddenly warrants comparison to Grand theft Auto? I'm not even sure I agree about how simple the AI is in the random encounters I found in the open world as in not missions when I take on a group of people I have found that I tend to get flanked from behind and stuff like that. I haven't really tried to create emergent chaos but I haven't seen proof it's impossible.
captainnapalm
Member
I agree there is room for improvement in some areas, but at the same time the game can't be all things at once.
Fluffhead14
Member
i'm gonna go blind tryna read this ui text. it's so fucking small.
Mato
Member
Not really. The city is relatively small by open world standards. Some procedural or cookie-cutter methods could have employed to fill in all those empty boxes.
New Yorks Finest
Banned
..I fight you tho
Explosive Zombie
Banned
you're thinking of it the wrong way it's not smaller Grand theft Auto it's bigger Deus ex
Loostreaks
Member
For Polish guys ( all of their writers are Polish, right), they really nailed the "slang", down to earth, straight to the point, almost reads like a goddamn poetry at times.
That's something they implemented a few months back. Probably since Death Stranding or TLOU2.
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
This game was very obviously designed from the ground up for first person and the immersion that allows. Which completely shatters the narrative of "they are just lazy, it was planned but they dropped it" etc.
vpance
Member
NPCs look so good, I fucking love the first person camera, it's so immersive.
I just got to meet that NPC on PS5 and stood in the same place. Shut the game off right after that, lol
HotPocket69
Banned
I can’t stop fucking playing. I love being in this world so much.
LoveCake
Member
I was hyped for this game, but it is pretty poor on base PS4, I know the tech is old about eight years, but this game was surely made for PS4/XboxOne originally, I'm very disappointed.
DF said it could be patched and optimized, but how long is this going to take, by the time it's done PS5/XboxS will be easy to buy no doubt.
DF said it could be patched and optimized, but how long is this going to take, by the time it's done PS5/XboxS will be easy to buy no doubt.
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