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Denuvo launches new technology to prevent Switch emulation

Ezquimacore

Banned
But this seems something Nintendo would love to do, they are the most backward thinking console provider. If it were for Nintendo they would send hitmen to any house with a pirated console.
you know this is not the first time shit like this happens, right? to use 3ds files on pc you need to decrypt the file to be able to play them on citra emulator. obviously that didn't work because all the games are online. If Nintendo does some kind of protection for their games, it's going to be 100% developed by them and not Denuvo. Now Ubisoft would definitely use it.
 
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night13x

Member
NIIICEEE! this is truely awesome and revolutionary! I am glad I am getting ADDED VALUE to my switch games to let me know if I am a pirate or not. This will keep me morally in check and allow me to purchase another copy if DENOVU decides to completely fuck up half the time like it does with PC games and locks me out! Also the performance degration is a feature as it analysis every frame to make sure I am not being a pirate. Thanks DENOVU!!!!
 

Ezquimacore

Banned
Big question is will Nintendo use this for botw2. U would think not , as It would not be without fan backlash, but this is Nintendo we’re talking about.
Nintendo is not going to put a third party drm inside their first party exclusives, you can be 100% sure of that.
 
Why is Nintendo catching strays?

It doesn’t appear to be partnering with Nintendo on the initiative, which instead seems aimed mostly at third-party publishers of multiplatform games. “As with all other Denuvo solutions, the technology integrates seamlessly into the build toolchain with no impact on the gaming experience. It then allows for the insertion of checks into the code, which blocks gameplay on emulators,” the company wrote in a press release. In the past, however, Denuvo’s “checks” have been accused of making some games run worse.

All Nintendo did was create hardware that's easy to crack and emulate. I know they've historically have tried hard to bring down rom sites and hackers (because they're by far the hardest hit by piracy), but they don't appear to be directly involved with this at all.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
throw up team america GIF


OMG, that poor switch CPU.
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
You can afford a gaming pc which can emulate switch games at 4k, but somehow can't afford a switch game? Cmon now
buying a dozen 1st party switch games will cost about as much as the average gaming rig most gamers have these days
if you can afford switch games, why not buy a gaming PC and save with steam sales, while getting better performance on the switch games you dumped?
 

SNG32

Member
Nintendo’s online capabilities is bare bones. They do the minimum when it comes to terms with technology. Guarantee hackers will find a way to bypass it. I don’t expect Nintendo to use this but third parties are a different story.
 

IFireflyl

Member
Movies are nowhere near comparable to the platform and distribution system of games. Your analogies are not even analogies, its nonsense.

My analogy was spot on, you just lack the intelligence to understand it.
  • Rip a Switch game (that I own) to my PC so I can play the game directly from my PC.
  • Rip a vinyl record (that I own) to my PC so I can play the songs directly from my PC.
  • Rip a blu-ray movie (that I own) to my PC so I can play the movie directly from my PC.
The "platform" and "distribution" of video games versus movies/music is irrelevant. Either way I'm doing the same thing and accomplishing the same end result. Your Nintendo boner is massive. There's absolutely no need for you to be defending them like you are. They don't know you. They don't care about you. They'll never care about you.
 
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Bragr

Member
My analogy was spot on, you just lack the intelligence to understand it.
  • Rip a Switch game (that I own) to my PC so I can play the game directly from my PC.
  • Rip a vinyl record (that I own) to my PC so I can play the songs directly from my PC.
  • Rip a blu-ray movie (that I own) to my PC so I can play the movie directly from my PC.
The "platform" and "distribution" of video games versus movies/music is irrelevant. Either way I'm doing the same thing and accomplishing the same end result. Your Nintendo boner is massive. There's absolutely no need for you to be defending them like you are. They don't know you. They don't care about you. They'll never care about you.
You think a company producing a game for their own system is the same as a film producer producing movies for the cinema or streaming market? Ok then.

There is a reason Nintendo is going after people like you.
 

jshackles

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I'm just curious how this will work at all, from a technical standpoint. Switch emulation is already incredibly advanced (given that the hardware itself was busted wide open early in it's lifecycle), so in theory: anything that runs on actual hardware should run just fine in emulation.

If you put measures in place to prevent these games from being emulated (but they obviously still have to play fine on the Switch, even offline) then it's trivially easy for the creators of the emulators to bypass that copy protection. If it's doing things at runtime like checking actual hardware inside the Switch, those checks and be spoofed in software on an emulator.

My guess is that, at best, this would / could potentially limit the emulator's ability to run things like higher clock speeds or post-processing. Texture replacements could be prevented too I guess, although that's a type of post-processing. Worst case scenario, the game just runs identically on a PC as it does on a Switch - at least until the copy protection is bypassed.

Will be interesting to see a more technical analysis of how this works, if it's ever implemented in anything.
 
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ReBurn

Gold Member
I think a pretty cool thread would be people here saying they play Switch games on PC for performance reasons showing the setups they have to rip their Switch carts they own to ROMs. How awesome would it be to see how you do this without downloading torrents, etc. Denuvo is really going to suck for you guys who are preserving the carts you actually own. Because you all surely actually own carts and create your own backups which is totally cool. I just want to see how you personally do it.
 

hlm666

Member
I think a pretty cool thread would be people here saying they play Switch games on PC for performance reasons showing the setups they have to rip their Switch carts they own to ROMs. How awesome would it be to see how you do this without downloading torrents, etc. Denuvo is really going to suck for you guys who are preserving the carts you actually own. Because you all surely actually own carts and create your own backups which is totally cool. I just want to see how you personally do it.
 

00_Zer0

Member
A lot of people may not like LTT but they have a great video on preserving your own console games.


I personally own 4 devices that can dump almost every cartridge that has ever existed. I have a Retrode 2, A Retro Blaster, a Arduino based cartridge dumper called Sanni, and a device that dumps Turbo Grafx 16/PC Engine games. After the 8 bit/16 bit era it is a matter of ripping your CD Roms, or DVD Roms, and finding ways to dump the system bios files from the system you are trying to emulate. A good thing about modern consoles is from the Wii onward you basically hack the game systems themselves to be able to dump/rip your games for you .

Sure, there are filthy pirates out there, but there are a lot of people out there like me who enjoys the original hardware and who also wants to back up all my games for future use through PC emulators, or FPGA devices like Mister.
 
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IFireflyl

Member
You think a company producing a game for their own system is the same as a film producer producing movies for the cinema or streaming market? Ok then.

There is a reason Nintendo is going after people like you.

Why specifically does it matter that I play the single-player games that I bought on my PC instead of on the Switch? How does the hardware I play the game on make a bit of difference? "Because Nintendo said so," is not a good reason. Explain to everyone on this thread why this is harmful.

If you don't work for Nintendo then you need therapy. This fanboyism is disgusting.
 

coffinbirth

Member
I think a pretty cool thread would be people here saying they play Switch games on PC for performance reasons showing the setups they have to rip their Switch carts they own to ROMs. How awesome would it be to see how you do this without downloading torrents, etc. Denuvo is really going to suck for you guys who are preserving the carts you actually own. Because you all surely actually own carts and create your own backups which is totally cool. I just want to see how you personally do it.
What do you mean by "setups"? It's just a Switch running homebrew.



Not my pic, but this is what it looks like if genuinely curious.
And for the record, I'd say that the vast majority of people that rip their own carts, myself included, aren't using them in Yuzu but rather it's to simply keep from swapping carts on the actual Switch. I have dicked around with it, but I wind up just playing it in portable mode in bed anyways. Once I get my Steam Deck, however, I might be singing a different tune.
 

Tams

Member
is pleased to unveil a revolutionary technology

Geez, they must smell their own farts and eat their own shit over there. Scammers have more morals.

Edit: and this thread needs it's titled changed to include something that makes clear that no official Nintendo involvement has been announced. Far too much of this thread is people either blaming Nintendo or arguments stemming from those comments.
 
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Tams

Member
Notice how piracy for PS5 and Xbox Series X/S are basically nonexistent as of now, while it's only switch getting piracy problems. Nintendo didn't have piracy this severe with the gamecube did they? Or N64? Or SNES?
Gee, its almost like.when your console is up to modern hardware standards, emulation and piracy are exclusive to the top 1% of people who can afford the cutting edge. WHO WOULDA THUNK IT?!?

This is just wrong.

It's either ignorant or an attempt to rewrite history. I don't care which; it shouldn't be either.
 

Tams

Member
People realize that they are defending a technology that will make their games perform worse right?

Literally no one here is defending Denuvo. No one. And I bothered to waste my time reading the entire thread.

Some are criticising piracy, and a few using ROMs for a platform you didn't buy a game on, but that's all.
 

keefged4

Member
You think a company producing a game for their own system is the same as a film producer producing movies for the cinema or streaming market? Ok then.

There is a reason Nintendo is going after people like you.
In order to rip a switch game you already own, you need to have a switch in the first place, and a physical game cartridge - Again Nintendo have already made the money from the console and game itself, So I'll ask again, who is this hurting? Who's losing out here except for the likes of you who chose to be obtuse and tell others how they should play the games they have spent their own money on?
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Because it's petty to not be able to play games at anything but 4K to the point where you have to rip things.

And it builds up a community of people who rip, cheat, and steal to play videogames.

If your hardware allows you the freedom to do so, then why wouldn’t you opt for better performance and visuals?

You mean to tell me if Switch owners could rip Wii games to their Switch, and play them at better performance everyone would be like “no thanks”?
 

Bragr

Member
In order to rip a switch game you already own, you need to have a switch in the first place, and a physical game cartridge - Again Nintendo have already made the money from the console and game itself, So I'll ask again, who is this hurting? Who's losing out here except for the likes of you who chose to be obtuse and tell others how they should play the games they have spent their own money on?
Do you really think he's ripping every game? of course he is also pirating. There has never been anyone who "rips" games who hasn't pirated a game.

Using emulators leads to pirate culture, it's a huge issue for Nintendo. And Nintendo produces games so people spend time on their consoles, so people buy subscriptions and accessories for their consoles, and becomes users and fans of their ecosystem.
 

Bragr

Member
If your hardware allows you the freedom to do so, then why wouldn’t you opt for better performance and visuals?

You mean to tell me if Switch owners could rip Wii games to their Switch, and play them at better performance everyone would be like “no thanks”?
Of course. It's petty, you have to be an incredibly spoiled graphics whore to be that obsessed that you start to rip games. And as I said, this sort of practice always leads to piracy. It's the gateway drug and no sane console producer would want their users to do this.
 

keefged4

Member
Do you really think he's ripping every game? of course he is also pirating. There has never been anyone who "rips" games who hasn't pirated a game.

Using emulators leads to pirate culture, it's a huge issue for Nintendo. And Nintendo produces games so people spend time on their consoles, so people buy subscriptions and accessories for their consoles, and becomes users and fans of their ecosystem.
I'm not talking about "him" pirating or those that do, I'm talking about what I've done in this scenario. Your logic is insane, it's clear you aren't willing to discuss this and just repeat PIRACY/EMULATION BAD etc etc. Enjoy your sub 720p, I'll continue to enjoy purchasing games and playing them however the hell I want. Even when this denuvo shit comes in, it'll get cracked eventually - The only one it harms is regular switch users, who will no doubt have to deal with cripplingly bad performance due to this.
 

Bragr

Member
I'm not talking about "him" pirating or those that do, I'm talking about what I've done in this scenario. Your logic is insane, it's clear you aren't willing to discuss this and just repeat PIRACY/EMULATION BAD etc etc. Enjoy your sub 720p, I'll continue to enjoy purchasing games and playing them however the hell I want. Even when this denuvo shit comes in, it'll get cracked eventually - The only one it harms is regular switch users, who will no doubt have to deal with cripplingly bad performance due to this.
What exactly is the discussion you want to have here? piracy is bad. Emulation leads to piracy. Two pretty strong arguments. Why would I not repeat it when it's the main issue?

And as you said, you are not a regular Switch user, which tells the entire picture here.
 
PC gamers who pirate everything are some of the most loathsome people. They seemingly have such a low opinion of most games because there’s zero investment for them beyond the initial cost of building their machine. That hurts discussion and largely is why we see so many poop opinions get thrown around here and other places.
 

Mess

Member
PC gamers who pirate everything are some of the most loathsome people.

Is PC pirating even still a (non marginal) thing?

The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates. - Gabe Newell

Ofc Nintndo, being arguably the most consumer-hostile company in gaming may have piracy issues under this premise.
 
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keefged4

Member
What exactly is the discussion you want to have here? piracy is bad. Emulation leads to piracy. Two pretty strong arguments. Why would I not repeat it when it's the main issue?

And as you said, you are not a regular Switch user, which tells the entire picture here.
Nobody is disagreeing that piracy is bad. Adding Denuvo doesn't just harm them, it harms folks who are legally emulating also. This is the issue I have with it. You are missing the point and assuming that everyone who emulates pirates everything. I got a switch on day one, Played it religiously until Yuzu matured, at which point I could then go back and replay all the games in a much improved manner, to the point now where even new releases are substantially better when emulated vs being played natively on the switch itself. For people like me who still buy physical games and have the option of either settling for the switch natively, or an enchanced experience, why would I choose an inferior one? and why do you have such issue with this? Saying this is "Petty" comes across a like you are a tad jealous that you maybe don't have the resource to do this and are just shitting on people that can for the sake of it. Introducing Denuvo will not curb piracy. It will make things worse for everybody.
 
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