I have only seen the first 25 minutes or so but i dont see much developer defending here. They acknowledge the fact that this is a CPU heavy game and even brought receipts to show the xsx equivalent GPU simply being bottlenecked by the XSX CPU. It is what it is. The game is simply too heavy to run at 60 fps in all scenarios.
u mean 85 ?
where did i said that 85 is a bad score ?
Goes to show how inconsistent and downright wrong reviews are. This is a prime example of significantly underscoring a game. To put it into context this is the same score as the Outer Worlds! a decent game but Starfield is literally 10 times better, go figure
Goes to show how inconsistent and downright wrong reviews are. This is a prime example of significantly underscoring a game. To put it into context this is the same score as the Outer Worlds! a decent game but Starfield is literally 10 times better, go figure
Explain the Outer Worlds score then? similar game, same genre? Doesn’t make sense does it?
Avoid the question? I don't care really but it's food for thought isn't it?
I never said anything about rating it over 9, I just pointed out its currently rated the same as the Outer Worlds which is absurd but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Why are you guys making fun of Digital Foundry? This is only their 4th Starfield video. I'm expecting at least 6 more from them by Sunday night!
Sounds like that would go against the creative vision, eh?
I agree, it's really shitty currently *proceeds to play Starfield @ 120fps locked, max settings, on a 3840x1600 ultrawide and seemingly endless mod support*
UE5 is doing realtime GI with Lumen which is basically what starfield is doing. they just didnt bother giving it a name. Lumen has software GI which is what we have here, and hardware accelerated GI which uses the RT cores on consoles and RDNA GPUs. its more accurate but the tech is the same. Realtime GI is realtime GI no matter what you call it and starfield is using it.
People have been bitching about GoW Ragnarok looking like a PS4 game while running in 60fps locked.
But then they may give the XSX 2 tech preview to other journalists…
Well, you said it yourself. Graphical fidelity is next gen and it comes with all the bethesda object persistence, physics, and large number of NPCs. So they upgraded at least one thing and thats why the game is so heavy and needs a 12 tflops GPU like the xsx running at 1440p 30 fps. Of course you and I will need a 3080 or a 6800xt to double its framerate. Thats all I am saying and what Todd is saying.
I will have to rewatch that video but I remember either them or some other channel showing CPU threads and all 16 threads were showing running at 70% which is crazy high utilization for CPUs that typically top out at 10% in last gen games with only 1-2 threads hitting over 70%. I think there is something going on with zen 2 or zen 3 chips that might be a bug or something to do with their design, because if you look at zen 4 and ANY of the intel chips 11th gen onwards, this is not an issue.
As for their global illumination, i think it looks pretty good. Low vs ultra might not be scaling that well, but even their low is way better than what they had last gen.
Well, you said it yourself. Graphical fidelity is next gen and it comes with all the bethesda object persistence, physics, and large number of NPCs. So they upgraded at least one thing and thats why the game is so heavy and needs a 12 tflops GPU like the xsx running at 1440p 30 fps. Of course you and I will need a 3080 or a 6800xt to double its framerate. Thats all I am saying and what Todd is saying.
I am actually with you on the fucking constant load screens. I have been bitching about going through loading screens after loading screens just to get into ships and small buildings. I am on your side on this, they shouldve implemented a streaming system. if no mans sky could do it with 20 devs, bethesda with its 400-500 dev team and 8 year long dev cycle should as well. but i think thats a different discussion and doesnt pertain with how heavy this game is. streaming has been around since the ps3 era. for whatever reason, bethesda just wont let us enter interiors without loading. even when the loading is now down to just 1 second. its not a next gen or last gen cpu or gpu limitation. just bethesda being bethesda.
I will have to rewatch that video but I remember either them or some other channel showing CPU threads and all 16 threads were showing running at 70% which is crazy high utilization for CPUs that typically top out at 10% in last gen games with only 1-2 threads hitting over 70%. I think there is something going on with zen 2 or zen 3 chips that might be a bug or something to do with their design, because if you look at zen 4 and ANY of the intel chips 11th gen onwards, this is not an issue.
I will try and enable some logging on all cores and threads and see what i find, but this game makes my CPU go absolutely mental. Even cyberpunk with its ray tracing and higher 100 fps non RT modes dont make it go that high and cyberpunk is the best game to benchmark CPUs because of its fantastic threading and scaling with higher cores. If my results show poor CPU thread utilization in Atlantis then i will concede this point, but ive been under the impression that the game is doing proper multithreading based on the benchmarks i saw at launch.
As for their global illumination, i think it looks pretty good. Low vs ultra might not be scaling that well, but even their low is way better than what they had last gen.
Am i reading the graph wrong or does the scaling continue on until 8 threads, not 6?Alex proved in his latest video that game doesn't scale after 6 cores at all, this high utilization of all threads is just illusion:
I think starfield looks quite good in many places while dated in others. It isn't groundbreaking in tech in any way, game like this could have been easily done on PS4 with F4 graphics and long loading times.
I think poor performance relative to what game is rendering is mostly associated with decades old engine (that was heavily tweaked for sure), core elements were build many ages ago and are not running efficiently on modern hardware at all.
I just saw that. That is absolutely insane. Yeah, clearly wrong with something. How do i turn off hyper threading lolAlex found that game don't like too many threads so:
- 6C/6T runs "ok"
- 6C/12T runs worse than that
- 8C/8T runs the best
- 8C/16T runs worse
There is some difference between 6 and 8 cores when HT is disabled.
There are games where HT makes performance worse but that's usually mean that there is something wrong with how they work. My point is that this game is not utilizing many threads well despite overlays telling that all threads are very saturated.
I just saw that. That is absolutely insane. Yeah, clearly wrong with something. How do i turn off hyper threading lol
Whats werid is that his video shows even the so-called trash performing 3060 utilizing all 12 threads. so just what exactly is it doing??
I think part of the reason why im not seeing this stuff on my setup is that im gpu bound at 4k dlss quality and high/ultra settings. i get 97-99% gpu utilization in my cities.
This is one of runs from the other day in Atlantis. I am getting higher temps and wattage in starfield at 4k than i did in cyberpunk at 1080p 120 fps when the cpu really gets taxed. i will run some tests with all 16 threads showing on msi afterburner and maybe figure out how to disable hyper threading but im getting great performance right now with dlss and a mix of high and ultra settings even in cities.
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yes, its not a locked 60 fps but i have a gsync monitor and because the framerate doesnt fluctuate too much, it is hard to tell that its not a locked 60. it feels consistent even at 50 or 55 fps.
